Mike Romain

Why so confusing?

If you go out and kill someone because you couldn't avoid them because
you were driving a vehicle with mis mactched tires or an 'unsafe'
vehicle, you go to jail.

Simple enough.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I think that if you were sent to jail for mismatched tires, that were
> basically the same size and in good condition, you would have cause for a
> false arrest suit. Discretion has its limits. I'll bet you were guilty of
> the speed thing, just hired a lawyer and maybe a professional "expert
> witness" to get you off.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43877EF2.9CBA0678@***.net...
> > Yes, but that's after the fact. It's the officer's descretion
> > whether you go to jail. Be there done that many times, always found not
> > guilt of exhibition of speed, but still spent a day in jail until my
> > bail cleared.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:43876374.80788C09@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Spdloader wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
> > > > > to drive after reading some of these replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but
> if
> > > > > you
> > > > > can't, match them per axle.
> > > > >
> > > > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > > > different tire,
> > > >
> > > > They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
> > > > not.....
> > > >
> > > In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone in
> jail
> > > for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
> attorney
> > > might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be
> trying
> > > for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
> would
> > > have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
> > > cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
> > > power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
> sounds
> > > like bullcrap.
> > >
> > > Earle

Mike Romain

Why so confusing?

If you go out and kill someone because you couldn't avoid them because
you were driving a vehicle with mis mactched tires or an 'unsafe'
vehicle, you go to jail.

Simple enough.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I think that if you were sent to jail for mismatched tires, that were
> basically the same size and in good condition, you would have cause for a
> false arrest suit. Discretion has its limits. I'll bet you were guilty of
> the speed thing, just hired a lawyer and maybe a professional "expert
> witness" to get you off.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43877EF2.9CBA0678@***.net...
> > Yes, but that's after the fact. It's the officer's descretion
> > whether you go to jail. Be there done that many times, always found not
> > guilt of exhibition of speed, but still spent a day in jail until my
> > bail cleared.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:43876374.80788C09@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Spdloader wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
> > > > > to drive after reading some of these replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but
> if
> > > > > you
> > > > > can't, match them per axle.
> > > > >
> > > > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > > > different tire,
> > > >
> > > > They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
> > > > not.....
> > > >
> > > In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone in
> jail
> > > for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
> attorney
> > > might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be
> trying
> > > for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
> would
> > > have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
> > > cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
> > > power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
> sounds
> > > like bullcrap.
> > >
> > > Earle

Spdloader

I forgot to add,

During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that tires
have at least 3/32 of tread.

I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor vehicle
code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.

Later,

Spdloader




"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to drive
> after reading some of these replies.
>
> It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
> can't, match them per axle.
>
> NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not that
> big a deal.
>
> I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
> making this up.
>
> Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
> the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
>
> Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> size tires from front to rear.
>
> I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> something other than "doomsday" advice.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
> <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
>> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>> afraid of liability.
>>
>> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
>> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>
>> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>> all wrong.
>>
>> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>
>
>

Spdloader

I forgot to add,

During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that tires
have at least 3/32 of tread.

I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor vehicle
code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.

Later,

Spdloader




"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to drive
> after reading some of these replies.
>
> It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
> can't, match them per axle.
>
> NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not that
> big a deal.
>
> I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
> making this up.
>
> Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
> the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
>
> Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> size tires from front to rear.
>
> I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> something other than "doomsday" advice.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
> <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
>> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>> afraid of liability.
>>
>> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
>> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>
>> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>> all wrong.
>>
>> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>
>
>

Spdloader

I forgot to add,

During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that tires
have at least 3/32 of tread.

I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor vehicle
code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.

Later,

Spdloader




"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to drive
> after reading some of these replies.
>
> It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
> can't, match them per axle.
>
> NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not that
> big a deal.
>
> I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
> making this up.
>
> Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
> the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
>
> Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> size tires from front to rear.
>
> I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> something other than "doomsday" advice.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
> <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
>> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>> afraid of liability.
>>
>> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
>> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>
>> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>> all wrong.
>>
>> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>
>
>

Mike Romain

Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????

Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
wrong.

I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.

That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.

There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.

If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I forgot to add,
>
> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that tires
> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor vehicle
> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Later,
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to drive
> > after reading some of these replies.
> >
> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
> > can't, match them per axle.
> >
> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not that
> > big a deal.
> >
> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
> > making this up.
> >
> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
> >
> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > size tires from front to rear.
> >
> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> >
> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> >> afraid of liability.
> >>
> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> >>
> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> >> all wrong.
> >>
> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> >>
> >
> >

Mike Romain

Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????

Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
wrong.

I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.

That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.

There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.

If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I forgot to add,
>
> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that tires
> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor vehicle
> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Later,
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to drive
> > after reading some of these replies.
> >
> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
> > can't, match them per axle.
> >
> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not that
> > big a deal.
> >
> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
> > making this up.
> >
> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
> >
> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > size tires from front to rear.
> >
> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> >
> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> >> afraid of liability.
> >>
> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> >>
> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> >> all wrong.
> >>
> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> >>
> >
> >

Mike Romain

Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????

Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
wrong.

I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.

That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.

There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.

If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I forgot to add,
>
> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that tires
> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor vehicle
> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Later,
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to drive
> > after reading some of these replies.
> >
> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
> > can't, match them per axle.
> >
> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not that
> > big a deal.
> >
> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
> > making this up.
> >
> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
> >
> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > size tires from front to rear.
> >
> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> >
> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> >> afraid of liability.
> >>
> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> >>
> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> >> all wrong.
> >>
> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> >>
> >
> >

Spdloader

(Sorry this is so long)

No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.

Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
killed or maimed on one.

Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
the problem, unless WILDLY different.

Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
gravity and physics hasn't changed.

I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
and driver ability all playing a part.

Respectfully,

Spdloader
C. Tracy Bryson


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
> Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
> as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>
> Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
> wrong.
>
> I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
> same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
> the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>
> That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>
> There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
> wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>
> If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> I forgot to add,
>>
>> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>> tires
>> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>
>> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>> vehicle
>> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>> > drive
>> > after reading some of these replies.
>> >
>> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>> > you
>> > can't, match them per axle.
>> >
>> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>> > that
>> > big a deal.
>> >
>> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>> > just
>> > making this up.
>> >
>> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>> > you.
>> >
>> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>> > size tires from front to rear.
>> >
>> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
>> >
>> > Spdloader
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>> >> to
>> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>> >> afraid of liability.
>> >>
>> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>> >> drive
>> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>> >>
>> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>> >> all wrong.
>> >>
>> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>> >>
>> >
>> >

Spdloader

(Sorry this is so long)

No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.

Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
killed or maimed on one.

Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
the problem, unless WILDLY different.

Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
gravity and physics hasn't changed.

I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
and driver ability all playing a part.

Respectfully,

Spdloader
C. Tracy Bryson


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
> Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
> as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>
> Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
> wrong.
>
> I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
> same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
> the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>
> That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>
> There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
> wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>
> If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> I forgot to add,
>>
>> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>> tires
>> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>
>> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>> vehicle
>> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>> > drive
>> > after reading some of these replies.
>> >
>> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>> > you
>> > can't, match them per axle.
>> >
>> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>> > that
>> > big a deal.
>> >
>> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>> > just
>> > making this up.
>> >
>> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>> > you.
>> >
>> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>> > size tires from front to rear.
>> >
>> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
>> >
>> > Spdloader
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>> >> to
>> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>> >> afraid of liability.
>> >>
>> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>> >> drive
>> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>> >>
>> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>> >> all wrong.
>> >>
>> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>> >>
>> >
>> >