My used `89 Cherokee still had its factory-fresh "space saver" spare in
place when I bought it.


TW wrote:
> Well, space savers are usually only found on small hatch backs.
> Additionally, they are an exception. I had ASSUMEd that we were talking
> about mismatched full size tyres on the same axle. Some high end luxury
> cards come with different width front and rear tyres also. But as long
> as tyres on the same axle are same size and pattern, its fine.
>
> I am not sure what would happen if one has directional tyres and the
> spare is only one direction. If you have to replace your other
> direction with a spare, then you have a case of one tyre on the axle in
> one direction and the other in the opposite direction. What happens if
> you have an accident like that. I might actually ask a cop or the
> insurance company just for clarification. BTW, I am running BFG Muds so
> directional aspects are not applicable to me personally.
>
> TW
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4387A31A.1708D641@***.net...
> Fords, here for one are still using the space saver spare tire, at
> least with the front wheel drive vans.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> TW wrote:
>
>>
>> The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot have
>> two
>> mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an
>> accident,
>> you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as well
>> because you
>> were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to have a warrant of
>> fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is less than six years
>> old, six monthly after that) and part of the test includes tread depth,
>> tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just replace them all and
>> sell
>> the old ones separately if some of them are any good.
>>
>> TW
>
>

 

My used `89 Cherokee still had its factory-fresh "space saver" spare in
place when I bought it.


TW wrote:
> Well, space savers are usually only found on small hatch backs.
> Additionally, they are an exception. I had ASSUMEd that we were talking
> about mismatched full size tyres on the same axle. Some high end luxury
> cards come with different width front and rear tyres also. But as long
> as tyres on the same axle are same size and pattern, its fine.
>
> I am not sure what would happen if one has directional tyres and the
> spare is only one direction. If you have to replace your other
> direction with a spare, then you have a case of one tyre on the axle in
> one direction and the other in the opposite direction. What happens if
> you have an accident like that. I might actually ask a cop or the
> insurance company just for clarification. BTW, I am running BFG Muds so
> directional aspects are not applicable to me personally.
>
> TW
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4387A31A.1708D641@***.net...
> Fords, here for one are still using the space saver spare tire, at
> least with the front wheel drive vans.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> TW wrote:
>
>>
>> The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot have
>> two
>> mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an
>> accident,
>> you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as well
>> because you
>> were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to have a warrant of
>> fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is less than six years
>> old, six monthly after that) and part of the test includes tread depth,
>> tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just replace them all and
>> sell
>> the old ones separately if some of them are any good.
>>
>> TW
>
>

 

Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
tires behave differently.

For the liability issue, see:
<URL:http://www.claimsguides.com/news/east/2005/03/24/53001.htm>

Summary: The widow of a Connecticut police officer won an $800,000
judgment against the company that installed a replacement tire on her
late husband's cruiser. The cruiser had 3 all-season radials and one
Goodyear snow tire, contrary to Goodyear recommendations.


ralconte@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> afraid of liability.
>
> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>
> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> all wrong.
>
> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>

 

Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
tires behave differently.

For the liability issue, see:
<URL:http://www.claimsguides.com/news/east/2005/03/24/53001.htm>

Summary: The widow of a Connecticut police officer won an $800,000
judgment against the company that installed a replacement tire on her
late husband's cruiser. The cruiser had 3 all-season radials and one
Goodyear snow tire, contrary to Goodyear recommendations.


ralconte@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> afraid of liability.
>
> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>
> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> all wrong.
>
> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>

 

Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
tires behave differently.

For the liability issue, see:
<URL:http://www.claimsguides.com/news/east/2005/03/24/53001.htm>

Summary: The widow of a Connecticut police officer won an $800,000
judgment against the company that installed a replacement tire on her
late husband's cruiser. The cruiser had 3 all-season radials and one
Goodyear snow tire, contrary to Goodyear recommendations.


ralconte@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> afraid of liability.
>
> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>
> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> all wrong.
>
> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>

 

Yeah, typically high pressure, with either a 45 or 50 mph limit plus a
limit on distance travelled. Someday I'll get bored and see if there
is any sort of tire cord whatever under that tread.


Lee Ayrton proclaimed:
>
> Those are the tiny spares that are placarded for "emergency use only"
> with distance and speed limits (45 MPH?) on the warning, aren't they?
>
>
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Fords, here for one are still using the space saver spare tire, at
>> least with the front wheel drive vans. God Bless America, Bill
>> O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> TW wrote:
>>
>>> The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot
>>> have two
>>> mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an
>>> accident,
>>> you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as well
>>> because you
>>> were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to have a warrant of
>>> fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is less than six
>>> years
>>> old, six monthly after that) and part of the test includes tread depth,
>>> tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just replace them all and
>>> sell
>>> the old ones separately if some of them are any good.
>>>
>>> TW

 

Yeah, typically high pressure, with either a 45 or 50 mph limit plus a
limit on distance travelled. Someday I'll get bored and see if there
is any sort of tire cord whatever under that tread.


Lee Ayrton proclaimed:
>
> Those are the tiny spares that are placarded for "emergency use only"
> with distance and speed limits (45 MPH?) on the warning, aren't they?
>
>
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Fords, here for one are still using the space saver spare tire, at
>> least with the front wheel drive vans. God Bless America, Bill
>> O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> TW wrote:
>>
>>> The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot
>>> have two
>>> mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an
>>> accident,
>>> you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as well
>>> because you
>>> were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to have a warrant of
>>> fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is less than six
>>> years
>>> old, six monthly after that) and part of the test includes tread depth,
>>> tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just replace them all and
>>> sell
>>> the old ones separately if some of them are any good.
>>>
>>> TW

 

Yeah, typically high pressure, with either a 45 or 50 mph limit plus a
limit on distance travelled. Someday I'll get bored and see if there
is any sort of tire cord whatever under that tread.


Lee Ayrton proclaimed:
>
> Those are the tiny spares that are placarded for "emergency use only"
> with distance and speed limits (45 MPH?) on the warning, aren't they?
>
>
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Fords, here for one are still using the space saver spare tire, at
>> least with the front wheel drive vans. God Bless America, Bill
>> O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> TW wrote:
>>
>>> The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot
>>> have two
>>> mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an
>>> accident,
>>> you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as well
>>> because you
>>> were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to have a warrant of
>>> fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is less than six
>>> years
>>> old, six monthly after that) and part of the test includes tread depth,
>>> tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just replace them all and
>>> sell
>>> the old ones separately if some of them are any good.
>>>
>>> TW

 

Stupendous Man proclaimed:

> This legal crap is very regional. In California if you have bad brakes, and
> bald tires, and are talking on a cell-phone when you kill a motorcyclist,
> the worst that will happen is a negligence charge, and a fine..

Or a public service award if the thing is all layed over in your lane
coming head on wrongsided on a winding mountain road with blind
darwinian curves.

 

Stupendous Man proclaimed:

> This legal crap is very regional. In California if you have bad brakes, and
> bald tires, and are talking on a cell-phone when you kill a motorcyclist,
> the worst that will happen is a negligence charge, and a fine..

Or a public service award if the thing is all layed over in your lane
coming head on wrongsided on a winding mountain road with blind
darwinian curves.