Agreed

I'd like to re-iterate, though:

Even if you're not speeding, you can drive faster than a tires ability to
maintain traction.

The posted speed doesn't know where that point is, where you will break
traction.

I'm sure some curves I could have taken in my old 280Z at 100mph, where the
posted speed is 55mph, my tandem axle dump truck, on the other hand, would
flip at 35mph.

I agree his Jeep will handle better after replacing the oddball tire, but it
will still fishtail on acceleration in the snow under the right conditions.

Later,

Spdloader


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4388B4FB.D092F977@sympatico.ca...
> Turns out the tires the gent in the other group bought were 235's with
> one 215 tossed in..... I figure when he matches the tires, his Jeep
> will run 'normal'.
>
> When the Pontiac with the miss matched brand tires slid out on me, I was
> doing the posted speed on a highway ramp I drove every day back then.
> It was also the favorite place in town for the cops to hide with their
> radar so I 'know' I wasn't speeding....
>
> Here in Canada, if you go out and kill someone in an accident and you
> have mismatched tires on, you are driving what is considered an 'unsafe'
> vehicle and you could go to jail for that.
>
> That is one good reason Dealers and tire shops now a days won't install
> mis matched tires and a good reason to think twice about doing it.
> There is serious liability involved.
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> (Sorry this is so long)
>>
>> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>> mixed
>> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
>> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as
>> well.
>> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
>> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
>> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>>
>> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>> killed or maimed on one.
>>
>> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>> weighs
>> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> acceleration
>> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end
>> due
>> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
>> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
>> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't
>> CAUSE
>> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>
>> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>> of
>> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>
>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>> in
>> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>> didn't
>> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
>> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front
>> to
>> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
>> and driver ability all playing a part.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Spdloader
>> C. Tracy Bryson
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>> > Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>> > as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>> >
>> > Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>> > wrong.
>> >
>> > I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of
>> > the
>> > same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch
>> > on
>> > the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>> >
>> > That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>> >
>> > There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>> > wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>> >
>> > If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I forgot to add,
>> >>
>> >> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in
>> >> two
>> >> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>> >> tires
>> >> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>> >>
>> >> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>> >> vehicle
>> >> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>> >>
>> >> Later,
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> >> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>> >> > drive
>> >> > after reading some of these replies.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but
>> >> > if
>> >> > you
>> >> > can't, match them per axle.
>> >> >
>> >> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> >> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>> >> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on
>> >> > the
>> >> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's
>> >> > not
>> >> > that
>> >> > big a deal.
>> >> >
>> >> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>> >> > just
>> >> > making this up.
>> >> >
>> >> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
>> >> > of
>> >> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>> >> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>> >> > you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no
>> >> > ill
>> >> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with
>> >> > different
>> >> > size tires from front to rear.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>> >> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to
>> >> > hear
>> >> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Spdloader
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone
>> >> >> brand
>> >> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>> >> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the
>> >> >> tire
>> >> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious
>> >> >> damage
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>> >> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and
>> >> >> got
>> >> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>> >> >> afraid of liability.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>> >> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or
>> >> >> what?
>> >> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>> >> >> drive
>> >> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> >> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel
>> >> >> drive,
>> >> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> all wrong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>> >> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>> >> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better.
>> >> >> So
>> >> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>> >> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>> >> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy
>> >> >> two
>> >> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >

 

Agreed

I'd like to re-iterate, though:

Even if you're not speeding, you can drive faster than a tires ability to
maintain traction.

The posted speed doesn't know where that point is, where you will break
traction.

I'm sure some curves I could have taken in my old 280Z at 100mph, where the
posted speed is 55mph, my tandem axle dump truck, on the other hand, would
flip at 35mph.

I agree his Jeep will handle better after replacing the oddball tire, but it
will still fishtail on acceleration in the snow under the right conditions.

Later,

Spdloader


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4388B4FB.D092F977@sympatico.ca...
> Turns out the tires the gent in the other group bought were 235's with
> one 215 tossed in..... I figure when he matches the tires, his Jeep
> will run 'normal'.
>
> When the Pontiac with the miss matched brand tires slid out on me, I was
> doing the posted speed on a highway ramp I drove every day back then.
> It was also the favorite place in town for the cops to hide with their
> radar so I 'know' I wasn't speeding....
>
> Here in Canada, if you go out and kill someone in an accident and you
> have mismatched tires on, you are driving what is considered an 'unsafe'
> vehicle and you could go to jail for that.
>
> That is one good reason Dealers and tire shops now a days won't install
> mis matched tires and a good reason to think twice about doing it.
> There is serious liability involved.
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> (Sorry this is so long)
>>
>> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>> mixed
>> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
>> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as
>> well.
>> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
>> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
>> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>>
>> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>> killed or maimed on one.
>>
>> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>> weighs
>> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> acceleration
>> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end
>> due
>> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
>> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
>> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't
>> CAUSE
>> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>
>> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>> of
>> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>
>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>> in
>> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>> didn't
>> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
>> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front
>> to
>> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
>> and driver ability all playing a part.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Spdloader
>> C. Tracy Bryson
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>> > Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>> > as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>> >
>> > Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>> > wrong.
>> >
>> > I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of
>> > the
>> > same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch
>> > on
>> > the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>> >
>> > That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>> >
>> > There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>> > wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>> >
>> > If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I forgot to add,
>> >>
>> >> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in
>> >> two
>> >> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>> >> tires
>> >> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>> >>
>> >> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>> >> vehicle
>> >> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>> >>
>> >> Later,
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> >> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>> >> > drive
>> >> > after reading some of these replies.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but
>> >> > if
>> >> > you
>> >> > can't, match them per axle.
>> >> >
>> >> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> >> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>> >> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on
>> >> > the
>> >> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's
>> >> > not
>> >> > that
>> >> > big a deal.
>> >> >
>> >> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>> >> > just
>> >> > making this up.
>> >> >
>> >> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
>> >> > of
>> >> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>> >> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>> >> > you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no
>> >> > ill
>> >> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with
>> >> > different
>> >> > size tires from front to rear.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>> >> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to
>> >> > hear
>> >> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Spdloader
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone
>> >> >> brand
>> >> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>> >> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the
>> >> >> tire
>> >> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious
>> >> >> damage
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>> >> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and
>> >> >> got
>> >> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>> >> >> afraid of liability.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>> >> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or
>> >> >> what?
>> >> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>> >> >> drive
>> >> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> >> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel
>> >> >> drive,
>> >> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> all wrong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>> >> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>> >> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better.
>> >> >> So
>> >> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>> >> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>> >> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy
>> >> >> two
>> >> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >

 

Agreed

I'd like to re-iterate, though:

Even if you're not speeding, you can drive faster than a tires ability to
maintain traction.

The posted speed doesn't know where that point is, where you will break
traction.

I'm sure some curves I could have taken in my old 280Z at 100mph, where the
posted speed is 55mph, my tandem axle dump truck, on the other hand, would
flip at 35mph.

I agree his Jeep will handle better after replacing the oddball tire, but it
will still fishtail on acceleration in the snow under the right conditions.

Later,

Spdloader


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4388B4FB.D092F977@sympatico.ca...
> Turns out the tires the gent in the other group bought were 235's with
> one 215 tossed in..... I figure when he matches the tires, his Jeep
> will run 'normal'.
>
> When the Pontiac with the miss matched brand tires slid out on me, I was
> doing the posted speed on a highway ramp I drove every day back then.
> It was also the favorite place in town for the cops to hide with their
> radar so I 'know' I wasn't speeding....
>
> Here in Canada, if you go out and kill someone in an accident and you
> have mismatched tires on, you are driving what is considered an 'unsafe'
> vehicle and you could go to jail for that.
>
> That is one good reason Dealers and tire shops now a days won't install
> mis matched tires and a good reason to think twice about doing it.
> There is serious liability involved.
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> (Sorry this is so long)
>>
>> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>> mixed
>> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
>> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as
>> well.
>> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
>> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
>> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>>
>> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>> killed or maimed on one.
>>
>> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>> weighs
>> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> acceleration
>> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end
>> due
>> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
>> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
>> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't
>> CAUSE
>> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>
>> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>> of
>> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>
>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>> in
>> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>> didn't
>> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
>> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front
>> to
>> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
>> and driver ability all playing a part.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Spdloader
>> C. Tracy Bryson
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>> > Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>> > as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>> >
>> > Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>> > wrong.
>> >
>> > I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of
>> > the
>> > same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch
>> > on
>> > the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>> >
>> > That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>> >
>> > There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>> > wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>> >
>> > If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I forgot to add,
>> >>
>> >> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in
>> >> two
>> >> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>> >> tires
>> >> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>> >>
>> >> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>> >> vehicle
>> >> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>> >>
>> >> Later,
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> >> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>> >> > drive
>> >> > after reading some of these replies.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but
>> >> > if
>> >> > you
>> >> > can't, match them per axle.
>> >> >
>> >> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> >> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>> >> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on
>> >> > the
>> >> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's
>> >> > not
>> >> > that
>> >> > big a deal.
>> >> >
>> >> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>> >> > just
>> >> > making this up.
>> >> >
>> >> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
>> >> > of
>> >> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>> >> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>> >> > you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no
>> >> > ill
>> >> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with
>> >> > different
>> >> > size tires from front to rear.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>> >> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to
>> >> > hear
>> >> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Spdloader
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone
>> >> >> brand
>> >> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>> >> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the
>> >> >> tire
>> >> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious
>> >> >> damage
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>> >> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and
>> >> >> got
>> >> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>> >> >> afraid of liability.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>> >> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or
>> >> >> what?
>> >> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>> >> >> drive
>> >> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> >> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel
>> >> >> drive,
>> >> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> all wrong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>> >> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>> >> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better.
>> >> >> So
>> >> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>> >> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>> >> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy
>> >> >> two
>> >> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >

 

It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
tires, was plainly blowing smoke.

Earle

"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:0I1if.6272$3o6.1393147@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as
well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front
to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
> > Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
> > as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
> >
> > Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
> > wrong.
> >
> > I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
> > same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
> > the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
> >
> > That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
> >
> > There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
> > wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
> >
> > If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> I forgot to add,
> >>
> >> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in
two
> >> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
> >> tires
> >> have at least 3/32 of tread.
> >>
> >> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
> >> vehicle
> >> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
> >>
> >> Later,
> >>
> >> Spdloader
> >>
> >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> >> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
> >> > drive
> >> > after reading some of these replies.
> >> >
> >> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
> >> > you
> >> > can't, match them per axle.
> >> >
> >> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> >> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> >> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> >> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
> >> > that
> >> > big a deal.
> >> >
> >> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
> >> > just
> >> > making this up.
> >> >
> >> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
of
> >> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> >> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
> >> > you.
> >> >
> >> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> >> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with
different
> >> > size tires from front to rear.
> >> >
> >> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> >> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> >> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> >> >
> >> > Spdloader
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone
brand
> >> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> >> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the
tire
> >> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
> >> >> to
> >> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> >> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> >> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> >> >> afraid of liability.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> >> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or
what?
> >> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
> >> >> drive
> >> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> >> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> >> >>
> >> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> >> >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> >> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> >> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could
be
> >> >> all wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> >> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> >> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> >> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> >> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or
they
> >> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> >> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> >> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
>
>

 

It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
tires, was plainly blowing smoke.

Earle

"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:0I1if.6272$3o6.1393147@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as
well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front
to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
> > Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
> > as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
> >
> > Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
> > wrong.
> >
> > I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
> > same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
> > the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
> >
> > That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
> >
> > There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
> > wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
> >
> > If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> I forgot to add,
> >>
> >> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in
two
> >> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
> >> tires
> >> have at least 3/32 of tread.
> >>
> >> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
> >> vehicle
> >> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
> >>
> >> Later,
> >>
> >> Spdloader
> >>
> >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> >> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
> >> > drive
> >> > after reading some of these replies.
> >> >
> >> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
> >> > you
> >> > can't, match them per axle.
> >> >
> >> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> >> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> >> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> >> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
> >> > that
> >> > big a deal.
> >> >
> >> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
> >> > just
> >> > making this up.
> >> >
> >> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
of
> >> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> >> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
> >> > you.
> >> >
> >> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> >> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with
different
> >> > size tires from front to rear.
> >> >
> >> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> >> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> >> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> >> >
> >> > Spdloader
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone
brand
> >> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> >> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the
tire
> >> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
> >> >> to
> >> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> >> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> >> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> >> >> afraid of liability.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> >> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or
what?
> >> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
> >> >> drive
> >> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> >> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> >> >>
> >> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> >> >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> >> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> >> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could
be
> >> >> all wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> >> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> >> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> >> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> >> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or
they
> >> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> >> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> >> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
>
>

 

It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
tires, was plainly blowing smoke.

Earle

"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:0I1if.6272$3o6.1393147@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as
well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front
to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
> > Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
> > as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
> >
> > Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
> > wrong.
> >
> > I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
> > same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
> > the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
> >
> > That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
> >
> > There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
> > wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
> >
> > If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> I forgot to add,
> >>
> >> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in
two
> >> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
> >> tires
> >> have at least 3/32 of tread.
> >>
> >> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
> >> vehicle
> >> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
> >>
> >> Later,
> >>
> >> Spdloader
> >>
> >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> >> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
> >> > drive
> >> > after reading some of these replies.
> >> >
> >> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
> >> > you
> >> > can't, match them per axle.
> >> >
> >> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> >> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> >> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> >> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
> >> > that
> >> > big a deal.
> >> >
> >> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
> >> > just
> >> > making this up.
> >> >
> >> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
of
> >> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> >> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
> >> > you.
> >> >
> >> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> >> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with
different
> >> > size tires from front to rear.
> >> >
> >> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> >> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> >> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> >> >
> >> > Spdloader
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone
brand
> >> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> >> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the
tire
> >> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
> >> >> to
> >> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> >> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> >> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> >> >> afraid of liability.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> >> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or
what?
> >> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
> >> >> drive
> >> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> >> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> >> >>
> >> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> >> >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> >> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> >> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could
be
> >> >> all wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> >> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> >> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> >> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> >> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or
they
> >> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> >> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> >> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
>
>

 

Unless it's a school bus in Kalifornia where they may drive on bald
tires.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I forgot to add,
>
> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that tires
> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor vehicle
> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Later,
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to drive
> > after reading some of these replies.
> >
> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
> > can't, match them per axle.
> >
> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not that
> > big a deal.
> >
> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
> > making this up.
> >
> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
> >
> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > size tires from front to rear.
> >
> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> >
> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> >> afraid of liability.
> >>
> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> >>
> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> >> all wrong.
> >>
> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> >>
> >
> >

 

Unless it's a school bus in Kalifornia where they may drive on bald
tires.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I forgot to add,
>
> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that tires
> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor vehicle
> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Later,
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to drive
> > after reading some of these replies.
> >
> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
> > can't, match them per axle.
> >
> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not that
> > big a deal.
> >
> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
> > making this up.
> >
> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
> >
> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > size tires from front to rear.
> >
> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> >
> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> >> afraid of liability.
> >>
> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> >>
> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> >> all wrong.
> >>
> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> >>
> >
> >

 

Unless it's a school bus in Kalifornia where they may drive on bald
tires.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I forgot to add,
>
> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that tires
> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor vehicle
> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Later,
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to drive
> > after reading some of these replies.
> >
> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
> > can't, match them per axle.
> >
> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not that
> > big a deal.
> >
> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
> > making this up.
> >
> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
> >
> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > size tires from front to rear.
> >
> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> >
> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> >> afraid of liability.
> >>
> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> >>
> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> >> all wrong.
> >>
> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> >>
> >
> >

 

Kalifornia, "-tires same size. —tires same type"
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/sec10_a.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Spdloader wrote:
>
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson