Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
What 'are' you going on about?
A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
winch relays.
Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
need two diodes.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
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Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
> > Hi Brian,
> > I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> > hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> > hot triggering the solenoid.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >
> >>Hey Bill,
> >>
> >>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
> >>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
> >>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
> >>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
> >>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
> >>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
> >>forward or reverse operation.
> >>
> >>Brian
A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
winch relays.
Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
need two diodes.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
> > Hi Brian,
> > I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> > hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> > hot triggering the solenoid.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >
> >>Hey Bill,
> >>
> >>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
> >>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
> >>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
> >>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
> >>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
> >>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
> >>forward or reverse operation.
> >>
> >>Brian
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
What 'are' you going on about?
A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
winch relays.
Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
need two diodes.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
> > Hi Brian,
> > I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> > hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> > hot triggering the solenoid.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >
> >>Hey Bill,
> >>
> >>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
> >>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
> >>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
> >>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
> >>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
> >>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
> >>forward or reverse operation.
> >>
> >>Brian
A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
winch relays.
Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
need two diodes.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
> > Hi Brian,
> > I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> > hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> > hot triggering the solenoid.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >
> >>Hey Bill,
> >>
> >>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
> >>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
> >>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
> >>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
> >>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
> >>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
> >>forward or reverse operation.
> >>
> >>Brian
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
What 'are' you going on about?
A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
winch relays.
Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
need two diodes.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
> > Hi Brian,
> > I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> > hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> > hot triggering the solenoid.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >
> >>Hey Bill,
> >>
> >>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
> >>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
> >>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
> >>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
> >>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
> >>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
> >>forward or reverse operation.
> >>
> >>Brian
A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
winch relays.
Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
need two diodes.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
> > Hi Brian,
> > I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> > hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> > hot triggering the solenoid.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >
> >>Hey Bill,
> >>
> >>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
> >>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
> >>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
> >>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
> >>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
> >>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
> >>forward or reverse operation.
> >>
> >>Brian
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> What 'are' you going on about?
>
> A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
> It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
>
> You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
> winch relays.
>
> Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
> off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
> need two diodes.
Some relay coils have internal diodes.
Works like this.
coil
__________ground
||( |
||( |
||( V diode
||( |
||(_____|____positive
The diode clips the impulse that comes out when the coil
is turned off. It's put in backwards so it won't flow
under normal conditions.
A better pic is about halfway down this page
http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/diode.htm
--
DougW
> What 'are' you going on about?
>
> A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
> It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
>
> You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
> winch relays.
>
> Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
> off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
> need two diodes.
Some relay coils have internal diodes.
Works like this.
coil
__________ground
||( |
||( |
||( V diode
||( |
||(_____|____positive
The diode clips the impulse that comes out when the coil
is turned off. It's put in backwards so it won't flow
under normal conditions.
A better pic is about halfway down this page
http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/diode.htm
--
DougW
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> What 'are' you going on about?
>
> A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
> It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
>
> You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
> winch relays.
>
> Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
> off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
> need two diodes.
Some relay coils have internal diodes.
Works like this.
coil
__________ground
||( |
||( |
||( V diode
||( |
||(_____|____positive
The diode clips the impulse that comes out when the coil
is turned off. It's put in backwards so it won't flow
under normal conditions.
A better pic is about halfway down this page
http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/diode.htm
--
DougW
> What 'are' you going on about?
>
> A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
> It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
>
> You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
> winch relays.
>
> Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
> off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
> need two diodes.
Some relay coils have internal diodes.
Works like this.
coil
__________ground
||( |
||( |
||( V diode
||( |
||(_____|____positive
The diode clips the impulse that comes out when the coil
is turned off. It's put in backwards so it won't flow
under normal conditions.
A better pic is about halfway down this page
http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/diode.htm
--
DougW
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> What 'are' you going on about?
>
> A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
> It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
>
> You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
> winch relays.
>
> Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
> off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
> need two diodes.
Some relay coils have internal diodes.
Works like this.
coil
__________ground
||( |
||( |
||( V diode
||( |
||(_____|____positive
The diode clips the impulse that comes out when the coil
is turned off. It's put in backwards so it won't flow
under normal conditions.
A better pic is about halfway down this page
http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/diode.htm
--
DougW
> What 'are' you going on about?
>
> A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
> It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
>
> You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
> winch relays.
>
> Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
> off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
> need two diodes.
Some relay coils have internal diodes.
Works like this.
coil
__________ground
||( |
||( |
||( V diode
||( |
||(_____|____positive
The diode clips the impulse that comes out when the coil
is turned off. It's put in backwards so it won't flow
under normal conditions.
A better pic is about halfway down this page
http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/diode.htm
--
DougW
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
18 ga. would be just fine. I used 18 ga and a microswitch to turn on
two relays for my Hella Black Magics.
Mike
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
> at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
> thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
> It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
> minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
> a wild guess and say 18ga.
>
> Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> > winch amp load.
> >
> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> > blow the heat shrink off them.
> >
> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> > that route.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
> >> on
> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
> >> topic)
> >>
> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
> >> 3K
> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
> >> because
> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
> >>
> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> >> thru ground of trailer frame
> >>
> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
> >>
> >> Brian
> >
two relays for my Hella Black Magics.
Mike
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
> at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
> thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
> It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
> minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
> a wild guess and say 18ga.
>
> Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> > winch amp load.
> >
> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> > blow the heat shrink off them.
> >
> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> > that route.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
> >> on
> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
> >> topic)
> >>
> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
> >> 3K
> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
> >> because
> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
> >>
> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> >> thru ground of trailer frame
> >>
> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
> >>
> >> Brian
> >
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
18 ga. would be just fine. I used 18 ga and a microswitch to turn on
two relays for my Hella Black Magics.
Mike
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
> at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
> thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
> It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
> minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
> a wild guess and say 18ga.
>
> Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> > winch amp load.
> >
> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> > blow the heat shrink off them.
> >
> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> > that route.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
> >> on
> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
> >> topic)
> >>
> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
> >> 3K
> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
> >> because
> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
> >>
> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> >> thru ground of trailer frame
> >>
> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
> >>
> >> Brian
> >
two relays for my Hella Black Magics.
Mike
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
> at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
> thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
> It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
> minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
> a wild guess and say 18ga.
>
> Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> > winch amp load.
> >
> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> > blow the heat shrink off them.
> >
> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> > that route.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
> >> on
> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
> >> topic)
> >>
> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
> >> 3K
> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
> >> because
> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
> >>
> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> >> thru ground of trailer frame
> >>
> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
> >>
> >> Brian
> >
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
18 ga. would be just fine. I used 18 ga and a microswitch to turn on
two relays for my Hella Black Magics.
Mike
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
> at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
> thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
> It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
> minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
> a wild guess and say 18ga.
>
> Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> > winch amp load.
> >
> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> > blow the heat shrink off them.
> >
> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> > that route.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
> >> on
> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
> >> topic)
> >>
> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
> >> 3K
> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
> >> because
> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
> >>
> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> >> thru ground of trailer frame
> >>
> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
> >>
> >> Brian
> >
two relays for my Hella Black Magics.
Mike
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
> at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
> thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
> It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
> minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
> a wild guess and say 18ga.
>
> Brian
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> > winch amp load.
> >
> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> > blow the heat shrink off them.
> >
> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> > that route.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
> >> on
> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
> >> topic)
> >>
> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
> >> 3K
> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
> >> because
> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
> >>
> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> >> thru ground of trailer frame
> >>
> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
> >>
> >> Brian
> >
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
DougW wrote:
>
> Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> > What 'are' you going on about?
> >
> > A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
> > It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
> >
> > You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
> > winch relays.
> >
> > Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
> > off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
> > need two diodes.
>
> Some relay coils have internal diodes.
>
> Works like this.
>
> coil
> __________ground
> ||( |
> ||( |
> ||( V diode
> ||( |
> ||(_____|____positive
>
> The diode clips the impulse that comes out when the coil
> is turned off. It's put in backwards so it won't flow
> under normal conditions.
>
> A better pic is about halfway down this page
> http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/diode.htm
>
> --
> DougW
That is fine for electronic circuits. A winch uses battery cables and
is an 'electric' circuit. No electronics in the circuit to fry. Same
for the engine starter. It too uses battery cables and no electronics
in the circuit to fry.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> > What 'are' you going on about?
> >
> > A diode prevents reverse current and eats .8 volts out of the circuit.
> > It has zip to do with surges or spikes or anything else.
> >
> > You don't see diodes on starter relays nor do you see or need them on
> > winch relays.
> >
> > Now if you are screwing around with an LED to show the winch is on or
> > off on a single circuit winch like the OP's, then that LED circuit would
> > need two diodes.
>
> Some relay coils have internal diodes.
>
> Works like this.
>
> coil
> __________ground
> ||( |
> ||( |
> ||( V diode
> ||( |
> ||(_____|____positive
>
> The diode clips the impulse that comes out when the coil
> is turned off. It's put in backwards so it won't flow
> under normal conditions.
>
> A better pic is about halfway down this page
> http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/diode.htm
>
> --
> DougW
That is fine for electronic circuits. A winch uses battery cables and
is an 'electric' circuit. No electronics in the circuit to fry. Same
for the engine starter. It too uses battery cables and no electronics
in the circuit to fry.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)