Ok. I'm going to try the water thing. Before I do, though, I want to
make sure I can somehow quantify your instructions.

How slowly should I pour in the water? I don't want to damage the
engine by accidentally going to fast, and I don't want to go so slow
that it doesn't do any good. Should I remove the stock air intake
tubing, to pour in the water, or is there another trick?

Thanks!

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FB25DE0.432CB282@sympatico.ca>...
> Both the ATF and/or the water go slowly down the intake.
>
> I have been told by lots of folks that water is as effective as ATF at
> burning or shocking the carbon off.
>
> A good high rpm run also is good at cleaning the combustion chamber.
>
> Mike
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Model/Year: 1997 TJ w/4.0 I-6 and 5spd.
> >
> > Like I said before, I am not shifting too early or driving in too high
> > a gear to cause the lugging in that way. I'm not sure if my clutch/gas
> > modulation timing is screwed up; I've always thought I shifted ok, and
> > have driven a standard for a good 5 or 6 years (5 of those years
> > part-time...shared vehicle, then full time this last year since buying
> > my jeep).
> >
> > Mike, you mentioned putting a pint of ATF or water in. You said to
> > trickle the water down the air intake. What about the ATF option? Do I
> > put it down the air intake also, or do I add it to the gas tank?
> >
> > Is this "lugging" noise always associated with pre-ignition, (i.e. is
> > the noise I hear when a vehicle lugs down the sound of pre-ignition),
> > or is there ever another cause of this particular noise? I'm still
> > horrible at diagnosing particular noises coming from my engine, so I'm
> > trying to learn. I always thought that noise of lugging down (which
> > sounds very similar, whether I'm driving a jeep, a celica, or a
> > sentra) was mostly harmless, though not something one wants to make
> > happen.
> >
> > Thanks for the advice and help.
> >
> > "SteveG" <sg@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ahjsb.600$MP.4339@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
> > > What model/year Jeep do you have?
> > >
> > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47b769ae.0311110930.6fa8f559@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> > > > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> > > >
> > > > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > > > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> > > > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > > > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> > > > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> > > > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> > > > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > > > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> > > > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> > > > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > > > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > /Bob

 

I heard that you should use a spray bottle and just spray it in...

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0311121439.1b9c1632@posting.google.c om...
> Ok. I'm going to try the water thing. Before I do, though, I want to
> make sure I can somehow quantify your instructions.
>
> How slowly should I pour in the water? I don't want to damage the
> engine by accidentally going to fast, and I don't want to go so slow
> that it doesn't do any good. Should I remove the stock air intake
> tubing, to pour in the water, or is there another trick?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<3FB25DE0.432CB282@sympatico.ca>...
> > Both the ATF and/or the water go slowly down the intake.
> >
> > I have been told by lots of folks that water is as effective as ATF at
> > burning or shocking the carbon off.
> >
> > A good high rpm run also is good at cleaning the combustion chamber.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Model/Year: 1997 TJ w/4.0 I-6 and 5spd.
> > >
> > > Like I said before, I am not shifting too early or driving in too high
> > > a gear to cause the lugging in that way. I'm not sure if my clutch/gas
> > > modulation timing is screwed up; I've always thought I shifted ok, and
> > > have driven a standard for a good 5 or 6 years (5 of those years
> > > part-time...shared vehicle, then full time this last year since buying
> > > my jeep).
> > >
> > > Mike, you mentioned putting a pint of ATF or water in. You said to
> > > trickle the water down the air intake. What about the ATF option? Do I
> > > put it down the air intake also, or do I add it to the gas tank?
> > >
> > > Is this "lugging" noise always associated with pre-ignition, (i.e. is
> > > the noise I hear when a vehicle lugs down the sound of pre-ignition),
> > > or is there ever another cause of this particular noise? I'm still
> > > horrible at diagnosing particular noises coming from my engine, so I'm
> > > trying to learn. I always thought that noise of lugging down (which
> > > sounds very similar, whether I'm driving a jeep, a celica, or a
> > > sentra) was mostly harmless, though not something one wants to make
> > > happen.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the advice and help.
> > >
> > > "SteveG" <sg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<ahjsb.600$MP.4339@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
> > > > What model/year Jeep do you have?
> > > >
> > > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:47b769ae.0311110930.6fa8f559@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me
(which
> > > > > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> > > > >
> > > > > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > > > > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into
the
> > > > > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > > > > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this
noise.
> > > > > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm
just
> > > > > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be
lugging
> > > > > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > > > > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would
cause
> > > > > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close
to
> > > > > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > > > > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > /Bob

 

I heard that you should use a spray bottle and just spray it in...

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0311121439.1b9c1632@posting.google.c om...
> Ok. I'm going to try the water thing. Before I do, though, I want to
> make sure I can somehow quantify your instructions.
>
> How slowly should I pour in the water? I don't want to damage the
> engine by accidentally going to fast, and I don't want to go so slow
> that it doesn't do any good. Should I remove the stock air intake
> tubing, to pour in the water, or is there another trick?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<3FB25DE0.432CB282@sympatico.ca>...
> > Both the ATF and/or the water go slowly down the intake.
> >
> > I have been told by lots of folks that water is as effective as ATF at
> > burning or shocking the carbon off.
> >
> > A good high rpm run also is good at cleaning the combustion chamber.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Model/Year: 1997 TJ w/4.0 I-6 and 5spd.
> > >
> > > Like I said before, I am not shifting too early or driving in too high
> > > a gear to cause the lugging in that way. I'm not sure if my clutch/gas
> > > modulation timing is screwed up; I've always thought I shifted ok, and
> > > have driven a standard for a good 5 or 6 years (5 of those years
> > > part-time...shared vehicle, then full time this last year since buying
> > > my jeep).
> > >
> > > Mike, you mentioned putting a pint of ATF or water in. You said to
> > > trickle the water down the air intake. What about the ATF option? Do I
> > > put it down the air intake also, or do I add it to the gas tank?
> > >
> > > Is this "lugging" noise always associated with pre-ignition, (i.e. is
> > > the noise I hear when a vehicle lugs down the sound of pre-ignition),
> > > or is there ever another cause of this particular noise? I'm still
> > > horrible at diagnosing particular noises coming from my engine, so I'm
> > > trying to learn. I always thought that noise of lugging down (which
> > > sounds very similar, whether I'm driving a jeep, a celica, or a
> > > sentra) was mostly harmless, though not something one wants to make
> > > happen.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the advice and help.
> > >
> > > "SteveG" <sg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<ahjsb.600$MP.4339@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
> > > > What model/year Jeep do you have?
> > > >
> > > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:47b769ae.0311110930.6fa8f559@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me
(which
> > > > > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> > > > >
> > > > > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > > > > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into
the
> > > > > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > > > > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this
noise.
> > > > > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm
just
> > > > > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be
lugging
> > > > > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > > > > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would
cause
> > > > > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close
to
> > > > > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > > > > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > /Bob

 

I heard that you should use a spray bottle and just spray it in...

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0311121439.1b9c1632@posting.google.c om...
> Ok. I'm going to try the water thing. Before I do, though, I want to
> make sure I can somehow quantify your instructions.
>
> How slowly should I pour in the water? I don't want to damage the
> engine by accidentally going to fast, and I don't want to go so slow
> that it doesn't do any good. Should I remove the stock air intake
> tubing, to pour in the water, or is there another trick?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<3FB25DE0.432CB282@sympatico.ca>...
> > Both the ATF and/or the water go slowly down the intake.
> >
> > I have been told by lots of folks that water is as effective as ATF at
> > burning or shocking the carbon off.
> >
> > A good high rpm run also is good at cleaning the combustion chamber.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Model/Year: 1997 TJ w/4.0 I-6 and 5spd.
> > >
> > > Like I said before, I am not shifting too early or driving in too high
> > > a gear to cause the lugging in that way. I'm not sure if my clutch/gas
> > > modulation timing is screwed up; I've always thought I shifted ok, and
> > > have driven a standard for a good 5 or 6 years (5 of those years
> > > part-time...shared vehicle, then full time this last year since buying
> > > my jeep).
> > >
> > > Mike, you mentioned putting a pint of ATF or water in. You said to
> > > trickle the water down the air intake. What about the ATF option? Do I
> > > put it down the air intake also, or do I add it to the gas tank?
> > >
> > > Is this "lugging" noise always associated with pre-ignition, (i.e. is
> > > the noise I hear when a vehicle lugs down the sound of pre-ignition),
> > > or is there ever another cause of this particular noise? I'm still
> > > horrible at diagnosing particular noises coming from my engine, so I'm
> > > trying to learn. I always thought that noise of lugging down (which
> > > sounds very similar, whether I'm driving a jeep, a celica, or a
> > > sentra) was mostly harmless, though not something one wants to make
> > > happen.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the advice and help.
> > >
> > > "SteveG" <sg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<ahjsb.600$MP.4339@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
> > > > What model/year Jeep do you have?
> > > >
> > > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:47b769ae.0311110930.6fa8f559@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me
(which
> > > > > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> > > > >
> > > > > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > > > > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into
the
> > > > > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > > > > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this
noise.
> > > > > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm
just
> > > > > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be
lugging
> > > > > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > > > > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would
cause
> > > > > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close
to
> > > > > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > > > > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > /Bob

 

Could be loose cat converter internals. Could be pinging. Could
be loose input shaft bearing. Could be throwout bearing. Etc.
Year/model/tranny?

Bob wrote:
> I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> is probably most everyone who posts here often).
>
> You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> catch any potential problem before it strands me.
>
> Thanks
> /Bob

 

Could be loose cat converter internals. Could be pinging. Could
be loose input shaft bearing. Could be throwout bearing. Etc.
Year/model/tranny?

Bob wrote:
> I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> is probably most everyone who posts here often).
>
> You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> catch any potential problem before it strands me.
>
> Thanks
> /Bob

 

Could be loose cat converter internals. Could be pinging. Could
be loose input shaft bearing. Could be throwout bearing. Etc.
Year/model/tranny?

Bob wrote:
> I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> is probably most everyone who posts here often).
>
> You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> catch any potential problem before it strands me.
>
> Thanks
> /Bob

 

Bill, All,

While we're somewhat on the subject, I have an '03 TJ I6 that will
provide me with bothersome "spark knock" at 2300-2400 RPMs on the
highway in 5th on the flats. As soon as I accelerate, it goes away.
Whassup with that? I've been using the same gas since I bought it a
year ago and was advised by one of the mechanics to NOT burn 92-93
octane as it is not as volitile as 89 octane.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

John



L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FB14539.39D54975@***.net>...
> Hi Bob,
> Change your driving habits, or switch to a higher octane fuel, or
> suffer the consequences:
> http://www.hastingsmfg.com/Service%2...reignition.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> >
> > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> >
> > Thanks
> > /Bob

 

Bill, All,

While we're somewhat on the subject, I have an '03 TJ I6 that will
provide me with bothersome "spark knock" at 2300-2400 RPMs on the
highway in 5th on the flats. As soon as I accelerate, it goes away.
Whassup with that? I've been using the same gas since I bought it a
year ago and was advised by one of the mechanics to NOT burn 92-93
octane as it is not as volitile as 89 octane.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

John



L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FB14539.39D54975@***.net>...
> Hi Bob,
> Change your driving habits, or switch to a higher octane fuel, or
> suffer the consequences:
> http://www.hastingsmfg.com/Service%2...reignition.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> >
> > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> >
> > Thanks
> > /Bob

 

Bill, All,

While we're somewhat on the subject, I have an '03 TJ I6 that will
provide me with bothersome "spark knock" at 2300-2400 RPMs on the
highway in 5th on the flats. As soon as I accelerate, it goes away.
Whassup with that? I've been using the same gas since I bought it a
year ago and was advised by one of the mechanics to NOT burn 92-93
octane as it is not as volitile as 89 octane.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

John



L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FB14539.39D54975@***.net>...
> Hi Bob,
> Change your driving habits, or switch to a higher octane fuel, or
> suffer the consequences:
> http://www.hastingsmfg.com/Service%2...reignition.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> >
> > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> >
> > Thanks
> > /Bob