Both the ATF and/or the water go slowly down the intake.

I have been told by lots of folks that water is as effective as ATF at
burning or shocking the carbon off.

A good high rpm run also is good at cleaning the combustion chamber.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Model/Year: 1997 TJ w/4.0 I-6 and 5spd.
>
> Like I said before, I am not shifting too early or driving in too high
> a gear to cause the lugging in that way. I'm not sure if my clutch/gas
> modulation timing is screwed up; I've always thought I shifted ok, and
> have driven a standard for a good 5 or 6 years (5 of those years
> part-time...shared vehicle, then full time this last year since buying
> my jeep).
>
> Mike, you mentioned putting a pint of ATF or water in. You said to
> trickle the water down the air intake. What about the ATF option? Do I
> put it down the air intake also, or do I add it to the gas tank?
>
> Is this "lugging" noise always associated with pre-ignition, (i.e. is
> the noise I hear when a vehicle lugs down the sound of pre-ignition),
> or is there ever another cause of this particular noise? I'm still
> horrible at diagnosing particular noises coming from my engine, so I'm
> trying to learn. I always thought that noise of lugging down (which
> sounds very similar, whether I'm driving a jeep, a celica, or a
> sentra) was mostly harmless, though not something one wants to make
> happen.
>
> Thanks for the advice and help.
>
> "SteveG" <sg@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ahjsb.600$MP.4339@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
> > What model/year Jeep do you have?
> >
> > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > news:47b769ae.0311110930.6fa8f559@posting.google.c om...
> > > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> > > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> > >
> > > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> > > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> > > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> > > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> > > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> > > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> > > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > /Bob

 

Both the ATF and/or the water go slowly down the intake.

I have been told by lots of folks that water is as effective as ATF at
burning or shocking the carbon off.

A good high rpm run also is good at cleaning the combustion chamber.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Model/Year: 1997 TJ w/4.0 I-6 and 5spd.
>
> Like I said before, I am not shifting too early or driving in too high
> a gear to cause the lugging in that way. I'm not sure if my clutch/gas
> modulation timing is screwed up; I've always thought I shifted ok, and
> have driven a standard for a good 5 or 6 years (5 of those years
> part-time...shared vehicle, then full time this last year since buying
> my jeep).
>
> Mike, you mentioned putting a pint of ATF or water in. You said to
> trickle the water down the air intake. What about the ATF option? Do I
> put it down the air intake also, or do I add it to the gas tank?
>
> Is this "lugging" noise always associated with pre-ignition, (i.e. is
> the noise I hear when a vehicle lugs down the sound of pre-ignition),
> or is there ever another cause of this particular noise? I'm still
> horrible at diagnosing particular noises coming from my engine, so I'm
> trying to learn. I always thought that noise of lugging down (which
> sounds very similar, whether I'm driving a jeep, a celica, or a
> sentra) was mostly harmless, though not something one wants to make
> happen.
>
> Thanks for the advice and help.
>
> "SteveG" <sg@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ahjsb.600$MP.4339@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
> > What model/year Jeep do you have?
> >
> > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > news:47b769ae.0311110930.6fa8f559@posting.google.c om...
> > > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> > > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> > >
> > > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> > > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> > > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> > > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> > > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> > > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> > > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > /Bob

 

I already wrote: Change your driving habits, or switch to a higher
octane fuel.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bob wrote:
>
> The page from your link talks about the causes of pre-ignition. Most
> of the things it talks about I am not too familiar with. Please see
> below for the causes listed on that webpage, and my
> responses/questions/confusions:
><snip>

 

I already wrote: Change your driving habits, or switch to a higher
octane fuel.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bob wrote:
>
> The page from your link talks about the causes of pre-ignition. Most
> of the things it talks about I am not too familiar with. Please see
> below for the causes listed on that webpage, and my
> responses/questions/confusions:
><snip>

 

I already wrote: Change your driving habits, or switch to a higher
octane fuel.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bob wrote:
>
> The page from your link talks about the causes of pre-ignition. Most
> of the things it talks about I am not too familiar with. Please see
> below for the causes listed on that webpage, and my
> responses/questions/confusions:
><snip>

 

OK.

I was just trying to find out if there were other possible solutions,
as well, based on the information provided on the link you posted.
That's all.


L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FB29009.F0A02377@***.net>...
> I already wrote: Change your driving habits, or switch to a higher
> octane fuel.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > The page from your link talks about the causes of pre-ignition. Most
> > of the things it talks about I am not too familiar with. Please see
> > below for the causes listed on that webpage, and my
> > responses/questions/confusions:
> ><snip>

 

OK.

I was just trying to find out if there were other possible solutions,
as well, based on the information provided on the link you posted.
That's all.


L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FB29009.F0A02377@***.net>...
> I already wrote: Change your driving habits, or switch to a higher
> octane fuel.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > The page from your link talks about the causes of pre-ignition. Most
> > of the things it talks about I am not too familiar with. Please see
> > below for the causes listed on that webpage, and my
> > responses/questions/confusions:
> ><snip>

 

OK.

I was just trying to find out if there were other possible solutions,
as well, based on the information provided on the link you posted.
That's all.


L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FB29009.F0A02377@***.net>...
> I already wrote: Change your driving habits, or switch to a higher
> octane fuel.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > The page from your link talks about the causes of pre-ignition. Most
> > of the things it talks about I am not too familiar with. Please see
> > below for the causes listed on that webpage, and my
> > responses/questions/confusions:
> ><snip>

 

Ok. I'm going to try the water thing. Before I do, though, I want to
make sure I can somehow quantify your instructions.

How slowly should I pour in the water? I don't want to damage the
engine by accidentally going to fast, and I don't want to go so slow
that it doesn't do any good. Should I remove the stock air intake
tubing, to pour in the water, or is there another trick?

Thanks!

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FB25DE0.432CB282@sympatico.ca>...
> Both the ATF and/or the water go slowly down the intake.
>
> I have been told by lots of folks that water is as effective as ATF at
> burning or shocking the carbon off.
>
> A good high rpm run also is good at cleaning the combustion chamber.
>
> Mike
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Model/Year: 1997 TJ w/4.0 I-6 and 5spd.
> >
> > Like I said before, I am not shifting too early or driving in too high
> > a gear to cause the lugging in that way. I'm not sure if my clutch/gas
> > modulation timing is screwed up; I've always thought I shifted ok, and
> > have driven a standard for a good 5 or 6 years (5 of those years
> > part-time...shared vehicle, then full time this last year since buying
> > my jeep).
> >
> > Mike, you mentioned putting a pint of ATF or water in. You said to
> > trickle the water down the air intake. What about the ATF option? Do I
> > put it down the air intake also, or do I add it to the gas tank?
> >
> > Is this "lugging" noise always associated with pre-ignition, (i.e. is
> > the noise I hear when a vehicle lugs down the sound of pre-ignition),
> > or is there ever another cause of this particular noise? I'm still
> > horrible at diagnosing particular noises coming from my engine, so I'm
> > trying to learn. I always thought that noise of lugging down (which
> > sounds very similar, whether I'm driving a jeep, a celica, or a
> > sentra) was mostly harmless, though not something one wants to make
> > happen.
> >
> > Thanks for the advice and help.
> >
> > "SteveG" <sg@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ahjsb.600$MP.4339@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
> > > What model/year Jeep do you have?
> > >
> > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47b769ae.0311110930.6fa8f559@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> > > > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> > > >
> > > > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > > > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> > > > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > > > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> > > > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> > > > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> > > > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > > > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> > > > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> > > > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > > > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > /Bob

 

Ok. I'm going to try the water thing. Before I do, though, I want to
make sure I can somehow quantify your instructions.

How slowly should I pour in the water? I don't want to damage the
engine by accidentally going to fast, and I don't want to go so slow
that it doesn't do any good. Should I remove the stock air intake
tubing, to pour in the water, or is there another trick?

Thanks!

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FB25DE0.432CB282@sympatico.ca>...
> Both the ATF and/or the water go slowly down the intake.
>
> I have been told by lots of folks that water is as effective as ATF at
> burning or shocking the carbon off.
>
> A good high rpm run also is good at cleaning the combustion chamber.
>
> Mike
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Model/Year: 1997 TJ w/4.0 I-6 and 5spd.
> >
> > Like I said before, I am not shifting too early or driving in too high
> > a gear to cause the lugging in that way. I'm not sure if my clutch/gas
> > modulation timing is screwed up; I've always thought I shifted ok, and
> > have driven a standard for a good 5 or 6 years (5 of those years
> > part-time...shared vehicle, then full time this last year since buying
> > my jeep).
> >
> > Mike, you mentioned putting a pint of ATF or water in. You said to
> > trickle the water down the air intake. What about the ATF option? Do I
> > put it down the air intake also, or do I add it to the gas tank?
> >
> > Is this "lugging" noise always associated with pre-ignition, (i.e. is
> > the noise I hear when a vehicle lugs down the sound of pre-ignition),
> > or is there ever another cause of this particular noise? I'm still
> > horrible at diagnosing particular noises coming from my engine, so I'm
> > trying to learn. I always thought that noise of lugging down (which
> > sounds very similar, whether I'm driving a jeep, a celica, or a
> > sentra) was mostly harmless, though not something one wants to make
> > happen.
> >
> > Thanks for the advice and help.
> >
> > "SteveG" <sg@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ahjsb.600$MP.4339@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
> > > What model/year Jeep do you have?
> > >
> > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47b769ae.0311110930.6fa8f559@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I have a question for you more auto-mechanic inclined than me (which
> > > > is probably most everyone who posts here often).
> > > >
> > > > You know that noise the engine makes when it lugs down? Kind of a
> > > > clicking/rattling noise, especially prevalent when you shift into the
> > > > next gear too early, right when you release the clutch and put
> > > > pressure on the gas again? What specific part is making this noise.
> > > > Does anyone know? I have been hearing it more lately, when I'm just
> > > > driving normally, and there is no reason for the engine to be lugging
> > > > down (I'm not shifting too early, etc.), and I'm wondering if
> > > > something in my tranny or clutch is about to go bad that would cause
> > > > this noise to occur more often. I still only hear it pretty close to
> > > > when I first get back on the gas after changing gears. I'd like to
> > > > catch any potential problem before it strands me.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > /Bob