"Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
Also will void your warranty.
Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hjQnb.435$Dj1.295@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>That's because it IS confusing, David! Lockers and trac-lock are
>>-different- systems. My 99 Sahara had factory trac-lock but no lockers.
>>You couldn't get factory lockers on a Wrangler until the Rubicon came
>>out. Remember, that dash switch is for LOCKERS, not TRAC-LOCK.
>>
>>The Rubicon has the ultimate combination of "drive" wheels (1-4).
>>Remember, the Jeep really has FOUR axles, one per wheel, that meet at
>>the differentials. In 2WD, with lockers off, you essentially only have
>>ONE drive wheel active...the right rear. In this mode, you would get
>>stuck very quickly offroad, so the Rubi has options. If you put it into
>>4WD (without the lockers engaged) you have two "drive" wheels. One in
>>front, one in the rear. If you are in 4WD and you "lock" your rear axle,
>>you have 3 drive wheels. If you additionally lock your front axle, you
>>have all 4 wheels powered.
>>
>>- Lockers physically LOCK both axles (both sides of the differential) so
>>both wheels spin equally (both become "drive" wheels). You do this with
>>the switch on the dash. There is a switch position for just the rear, or
>>the rear and front. DO NOT USE THESE UNLESS YOU ARE OFFROAD!!! Something
>>WILL break.
>>
>>- Trac-lock is an automatically engaged clutched system where, when
>>engaged, it lessens the power to the spinning (stuck) wheel to try and
>>gain traction by allowing the unstuck wheel to have more power. This is
>>done automatically and there is no switch for it. It is the hardest to
>>explain (obviously, for me anyway), but the good part is...you don't
>>have to use a switch and it's virtually invisible to the driver.
>>
>>Understand the lockers before you use them. There was a guy (different
>>forum, I believe) who had his lockers engaged, offroad. He was doing a 3
>>point turn on the trail and broke something. Now, if you don't need the
>>lockers, leave them disengaged! Heavy, tight turning is the most
>>problematic for your locker setup. The guy got his Rubi fixed under
>>warranty, went out and DID THE SAME THING!! Guess what? It broke again
>>and he was pissed because the dealer wouldn't fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Zins, David L wrote:
>>
>> > well I was just a bit confused.. are my lockers and and the
>>trac-lock one
>> > in the same ? I thought, from the way you were describing it.. that
>>I had
>> > one device controlled by the switch on the inside..and some external,
>> > manually activated locks on the wheels or something ? I'll do more
>>reading.
>> > thanks!
>> > dave
>> >
>> > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:<IIDnb.139$Dj1.128@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com >...
>> >
>> >>Nice job CRWLR. I tried to explain this to him via email but you did a
>> >>much better, and more in depth job of explaining the systems to him.
>> >>Probably why he decided to re-ask on the NG. :)
>> >>
>> >>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hjQnb.435$Dj1.295@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>That's because it IS confusing, David! Lockers and trac-lock are
>>-different- systems. My 99 Sahara had factory trac-lock but no lockers.
>>You couldn't get factory lockers on a Wrangler until the Rubicon came
>>out. Remember, that dash switch is for LOCKERS, not TRAC-LOCK.
>>
>>The Rubicon has the ultimate combination of "drive" wheels (1-4).
>>Remember, the Jeep really has FOUR axles, one per wheel, that meet at
>>the differentials. In 2WD, with lockers off, you essentially only have
>>ONE drive wheel active...the right rear. In this mode, you would get
>>stuck very quickly offroad, so the Rubi has options. If you put it into
>>4WD (without the lockers engaged) you have two "drive" wheels. One in
>>front, one in the rear. If you are in 4WD and you "lock" your rear axle,
>>you have 3 drive wheels. If you additionally lock your front axle, you
>>have all 4 wheels powered.
>>
>>- Lockers physically LOCK both axles (both sides of the differential) so
>>both wheels spin equally (both become "drive" wheels). You do this with
>>the switch on the dash. There is a switch position for just the rear, or
>>the rear and front. DO NOT USE THESE UNLESS YOU ARE OFFROAD!!! Something
>>WILL break.
>>
>>- Trac-lock is an automatically engaged clutched system where, when
>>engaged, it lessens the power to the spinning (stuck) wheel to try and
>>gain traction by allowing the unstuck wheel to have more power. This is
>>done automatically and there is no switch for it. It is the hardest to
>>explain (obviously, for me anyway), but the good part is...you don't
>>have to use a switch and it's virtually invisible to the driver.
>>
>>Understand the lockers before you use them. There was a guy (different
>>forum, I believe) who had his lockers engaged, offroad. He was doing a 3
>>point turn on the trail and broke something. Now, if you don't need the
>>lockers, leave them disengaged! Heavy, tight turning is the most
>>problematic for your locker setup. The guy got his Rubi fixed under
>>warranty, went out and DID THE SAME THING!! Guess what? It broke again
>>and he was pissed because the dealer wouldn't fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Zins, David L wrote:
>>
>> > well I was just a bit confused.. are my lockers and and the
>>trac-lock one
>> > in the same ? I thought, from the way you were describing it.. that
>>I had
>> > one device controlled by the switch on the inside..and some external,
>> > manually activated locks on the wheels or something ? I'll do more
>>reading.
>> > thanks!
>> > dave
>> >
>> > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:<IIDnb.139$Dj1.128@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com >...
>> >
>> >>Nice job CRWLR. I tried to explain this to him via email but you did a
>> >>much better, and more in depth job of explaining the systems to him.
>> >>Probably why he decided to re-ask on the NG. :)
>> >>
>> >>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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#42
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
Also will void your warranty.
Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hjQnb.435$Dj1.295@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>That's because it IS confusing, David! Lockers and trac-lock are
>>-different- systems. My 99 Sahara had factory trac-lock but no lockers.
>>You couldn't get factory lockers on a Wrangler until the Rubicon came
>>out. Remember, that dash switch is for LOCKERS, not TRAC-LOCK.
>>
>>The Rubicon has the ultimate combination of "drive" wheels (1-4).
>>Remember, the Jeep really has FOUR axles, one per wheel, that meet at
>>the differentials. In 2WD, with lockers off, you essentially only have
>>ONE drive wheel active...the right rear. In this mode, you would get
>>stuck very quickly offroad, so the Rubi has options. If you put it into
>>4WD (without the lockers engaged) you have two "drive" wheels. One in
>>front, one in the rear. If you are in 4WD and you "lock" your rear axle,
>>you have 3 drive wheels. If you additionally lock your front axle, you
>>have all 4 wheels powered.
>>
>>- Lockers physically LOCK both axles (both sides of the differential) so
>>both wheels spin equally (both become "drive" wheels). You do this with
>>the switch on the dash. There is a switch position for just the rear, or
>>the rear and front. DO NOT USE THESE UNLESS YOU ARE OFFROAD!!! Something
>>WILL break.
>>
>>- Trac-lock is an automatically engaged clutched system where, when
>>engaged, it lessens the power to the spinning (stuck) wheel to try and
>>gain traction by allowing the unstuck wheel to have more power. This is
>>done automatically and there is no switch for it. It is the hardest to
>>explain (obviously, for me anyway), but the good part is...you don't
>>have to use a switch and it's virtually invisible to the driver.
>>
>>Understand the lockers before you use them. There was a guy (different
>>forum, I believe) who had his lockers engaged, offroad. He was doing a 3
>>point turn on the trail and broke something. Now, if you don't need the
>>lockers, leave them disengaged! Heavy, tight turning is the most
>>problematic for your locker setup. The guy got his Rubi fixed under
>>warranty, went out and DID THE SAME THING!! Guess what? It broke again
>>and he was pissed because the dealer wouldn't fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Zins, David L wrote:
>>
>> > well I was just a bit confused.. are my lockers and and the
>>trac-lock one
>> > in the same ? I thought, from the way you were describing it.. that
>>I had
>> > one device controlled by the switch on the inside..and some external,
>> > manually activated locks on the wheels or something ? I'll do more
>>reading.
>> > thanks!
>> > dave
>> >
>> > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:<IIDnb.139$Dj1.128@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com >...
>> >
>> >>Nice job CRWLR. I tried to explain this to him via email but you did a
>> >>much better, and more in depth job of explaining the systems to him.
>> >>Probably why he decided to re-ask on the NG. :)
>> >>
>> >>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hjQnb.435$Dj1.295@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>That's because it IS confusing, David! Lockers and trac-lock are
>>-different- systems. My 99 Sahara had factory trac-lock but no lockers.
>>You couldn't get factory lockers on a Wrangler until the Rubicon came
>>out. Remember, that dash switch is for LOCKERS, not TRAC-LOCK.
>>
>>The Rubicon has the ultimate combination of "drive" wheels (1-4).
>>Remember, the Jeep really has FOUR axles, one per wheel, that meet at
>>the differentials. In 2WD, with lockers off, you essentially only have
>>ONE drive wheel active...the right rear. In this mode, you would get
>>stuck very quickly offroad, so the Rubi has options. If you put it into
>>4WD (without the lockers engaged) you have two "drive" wheels. One in
>>front, one in the rear. If you are in 4WD and you "lock" your rear axle,
>>you have 3 drive wheels. If you additionally lock your front axle, you
>>have all 4 wheels powered.
>>
>>- Lockers physically LOCK both axles (both sides of the differential) so
>>both wheels spin equally (both become "drive" wheels). You do this with
>>the switch on the dash. There is a switch position for just the rear, or
>>the rear and front. DO NOT USE THESE UNLESS YOU ARE OFFROAD!!! Something
>>WILL break.
>>
>>- Trac-lock is an automatically engaged clutched system where, when
>>engaged, it lessens the power to the spinning (stuck) wheel to try and
>>gain traction by allowing the unstuck wheel to have more power. This is
>>done automatically and there is no switch for it. It is the hardest to
>>explain (obviously, for me anyway), but the good part is...you don't
>>have to use a switch and it's virtually invisible to the driver.
>>
>>Understand the lockers before you use them. There was a guy (different
>>forum, I believe) who had his lockers engaged, offroad. He was doing a 3
>>point turn on the trail and broke something. Now, if you don't need the
>>lockers, leave them disengaged! Heavy, tight turning is the most
>>problematic for your locker setup. The guy got his Rubi fixed under
>>warranty, went out and DID THE SAME THING!! Guess what? It broke again
>>and he was pissed because the dealer wouldn't fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Zins, David L wrote:
>>
>> > well I was just a bit confused.. are my lockers and and the
>>trac-lock one
>> > in the same ? I thought, from the way you were describing it.. that
>>I had
>> > one device controlled by the switch on the inside..and some external,
>> > manually activated locks on the wheels or something ? I'll do more
>>reading.
>> > thanks!
>> > dave
>> >
>> > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:<IIDnb.139$Dj1.128@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com >...
>> >
>> >>Nice job CRWLR. I tried to explain this to him via email but you did a
>> >>much better, and more in depth job of explaining the systems to him.
>> >>Probably why he decided to re-ask on the NG. :)
>> >>
>> >>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
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#43
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
Also will void your warranty.
Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hjQnb.435$Dj1.295@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>That's because it IS confusing, David! Lockers and trac-lock are
>>-different- systems. My 99 Sahara had factory trac-lock but no lockers.
>>You couldn't get factory lockers on a Wrangler until the Rubicon came
>>out. Remember, that dash switch is for LOCKERS, not TRAC-LOCK.
>>
>>The Rubicon has the ultimate combination of "drive" wheels (1-4).
>>Remember, the Jeep really has FOUR axles, one per wheel, that meet at
>>the differentials. In 2WD, with lockers off, you essentially only have
>>ONE drive wheel active...the right rear. In this mode, you would get
>>stuck very quickly offroad, so the Rubi has options. If you put it into
>>4WD (without the lockers engaged) you have two "drive" wheels. One in
>>front, one in the rear. If you are in 4WD and you "lock" your rear axle,
>>you have 3 drive wheels. If you additionally lock your front axle, you
>>have all 4 wheels powered.
>>
>>- Lockers physically LOCK both axles (both sides of the differential) so
>>both wheels spin equally (both become "drive" wheels). You do this with
>>the switch on the dash. There is a switch position for just the rear, or
>>the rear and front. DO NOT USE THESE UNLESS YOU ARE OFFROAD!!! Something
>>WILL break.
>>
>>- Trac-lock is an automatically engaged clutched system where, when
>>engaged, it lessens the power to the spinning (stuck) wheel to try and
>>gain traction by allowing the unstuck wheel to have more power. This is
>>done automatically and there is no switch for it. It is the hardest to
>>explain (obviously, for me anyway), but the good part is...you don't
>>have to use a switch and it's virtually invisible to the driver.
>>
>>Understand the lockers before you use them. There was a guy (different
>>forum, I believe) who had his lockers engaged, offroad. He was doing a 3
>>point turn on the trail and broke something. Now, if you don't need the
>>lockers, leave them disengaged! Heavy, tight turning is the most
>>problematic for your locker setup. The guy got his Rubi fixed under
>>warranty, went out and DID THE SAME THING!! Guess what? It broke again
>>and he was pissed because the dealer wouldn't fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Zins, David L wrote:
>>
>> > well I was just a bit confused.. are my lockers and and the
>>trac-lock one
>> > in the same ? I thought, from the way you were describing it.. that
>>I had
>> > one device controlled by the switch on the inside..and some external,
>> > manually activated locks on the wheels or something ? I'll do more
>>reading.
>> > thanks!
>> > dave
>> >
>> > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:<IIDnb.139$Dj1.128@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com >...
>> >
>> >>Nice job CRWLR. I tried to explain this to him via email but you did a
>> >>much better, and more in depth job of explaining the systems to him.
>> >>Probably why he decided to re-ask on the NG. :)
>> >>
>> >>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hjQnb.435$Dj1.295@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>That's because it IS confusing, David! Lockers and trac-lock are
>>-different- systems. My 99 Sahara had factory trac-lock but no lockers.
>>You couldn't get factory lockers on a Wrangler until the Rubicon came
>>out. Remember, that dash switch is for LOCKERS, not TRAC-LOCK.
>>
>>The Rubicon has the ultimate combination of "drive" wheels (1-4).
>>Remember, the Jeep really has FOUR axles, one per wheel, that meet at
>>the differentials. In 2WD, with lockers off, you essentially only have
>>ONE drive wheel active...the right rear. In this mode, you would get
>>stuck very quickly offroad, so the Rubi has options. If you put it into
>>4WD (without the lockers engaged) you have two "drive" wheels. One in
>>front, one in the rear. If you are in 4WD and you "lock" your rear axle,
>>you have 3 drive wheels. If you additionally lock your front axle, you
>>have all 4 wheels powered.
>>
>>- Lockers physically LOCK both axles (both sides of the differential) so
>>both wheels spin equally (both become "drive" wheels). You do this with
>>the switch on the dash. There is a switch position for just the rear, or
>>the rear and front. DO NOT USE THESE UNLESS YOU ARE OFFROAD!!! Something
>>WILL break.
>>
>>- Trac-lock is an automatically engaged clutched system where, when
>>engaged, it lessens the power to the spinning (stuck) wheel to try and
>>gain traction by allowing the unstuck wheel to have more power. This is
>>done automatically and there is no switch for it. It is the hardest to
>>explain (obviously, for me anyway), but the good part is...you don't
>>have to use a switch and it's virtually invisible to the driver.
>>
>>Understand the lockers before you use them. There was a guy (different
>>forum, I believe) who had his lockers engaged, offroad. He was doing a 3
>>point turn on the trail and broke something. Now, if you don't need the
>>lockers, leave them disengaged! Heavy, tight turning is the most
>>problematic for your locker setup. The guy got his Rubi fixed under
>>warranty, went out and DID THE SAME THING!! Guess what? It broke again
>>and he was pissed because the dealer wouldn't fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Zins, David L wrote:
>>
>> > well I was just a bit confused.. are my lockers and and the
>>trac-lock one
>> > in the same ? I thought, from the way you were describing it.. that
>>I had
>> > one device controlled by the switch on the inside..and some external,
>> > manually activated locks on the wheels or something ? I'll do more
>>reading.
>> > thanks!
>> > dave
>> >
>> > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:<IIDnb.139$Dj1.128@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com >...
>> >
>> >>Nice job CRWLR. I tried to explain this to him via email but you did a
>> >>much better, and more in depth job of explaining the systems to him.
>> >>Probably why he decided to re-ask on the NG. :)
>> >>
>> >>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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03 TJ Rubicon
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There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
Technically yes, but its just a minor rewiring behind the dash. Can be done in
such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
highway, however, and you may have a problem...
In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>Also will void your warranty.
>
>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>
>> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
highway, however, and you may have a problem...
In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>Also will void your warranty.
>
>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>
>> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
Technically yes, but its just a minor rewiring behind the dash. Can be done in
such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
highway, however, and you may have a problem...
In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>Also will void your warranty.
>
>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>
>> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
highway, however, and you may have a problem...
In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>Also will void your warranty.
>
>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>
>> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
Technically yes, but its just a minor rewiring behind the dash. Can be done in
such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
highway, however, and you may have a problem...
In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>Also will void your warranty.
>
>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>
>> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
highway, however, and you may have a problem...
In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>Also will void your warranty.
>
>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>
>> The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>> unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>> and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>> engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>> defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>> probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
Yes, if you're using your lockers on the hwy, you DO have other
problems. :)
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Technically yes, but its just a minor rewiring behind the dash. Can be done in
> such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
> highway, however, and you may have a problem...
>
> In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
> <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>
>
>>Also will void your warranty.
>>
>>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>>>unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>>>and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>>>engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>>>defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>>>probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>>
>
>
>
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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problems. :)
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Technically yes, but its just a minor rewiring behind the dash. Can be done in
> such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
> highway, however, and you may have a problem...
>
> In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
> <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>
>
>>Also will void your warranty.
>>
>>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>>>unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>>>and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>>>engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>>>defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>>>probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>>
>
>
>
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
Yes, if you're using your lockers on the hwy, you DO have other
problems. :)
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Technically yes, but its just a minor rewiring behind the dash. Can be done in
> such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
> highway, however, and you may have a problem...
>
> In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
> <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>
>
>>Also will void your warranty.
>>
>>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>>>unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>>>and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>>>engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>>>defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>>>probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>>
>
>
>
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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problems. :)
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Technically yes, but its just a minor rewiring behind the dash. Can be done in
> such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
> highway, however, and you may have a problem...
>
> In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
> <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>
>
>>Also will void your warranty.
>>
>>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>>>unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>>>and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>>>engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>>>defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>>>probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>>
>
>
>
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
Yes, if you're using your lockers on the hwy, you DO have other
problems. :)
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Technically yes, but its just a minor rewiring behind the dash. Can be done in
> such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
> highway, however, and you may have a problem...
>
> In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
> <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>
>
>>Also will void your warranty.
>>
>>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>>>unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>>>and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>>>engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>>>defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>>>probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>>
>
>
>
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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problems. :)
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Technically yes, but its just a minor rewiring behind the dash. Can be done in
> such a way that it is easily reversable. Break your locker while on the
> highway, however, and you may have a problem...
>
> In article <UaRnb.450$Dj1.13@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>, twaldron
> <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> writes:
>
>
>>Also will void your warranty.
>>
>>Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Rubicon's rear diff is a limited slip (but not Trac Loc) in it's
>>>unlocked state. Jeep made a good decision to inhibit locker engagement in 2
>>>and 4wd hi, which is where inadvertent (or even intentional) on-road
>>>engagement would be unsafe. One of the Jeep mags had an article on how to
>>>defeat the inhibit circuit so they could be engaged in 2 & 4wd hi range,
>>>probably not a good idea for the general public.
>>>
>
>
>
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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Re: "Lockers" in a Rubi .. ?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:40:13 GMT, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>- Lockers physically LOCK both axles (both sides of the differential) so
>both wheels spin equally (both become "drive" wheels). You do this with
>the switch on the dash. There is a switch position for just the rear, or
>the rear and front. DO NOT USE THESE UNLESS YOU ARE OFFROAD!!! Something
>WILL break.
SNIP
>Understand the lockers before you use them. There was a guy (different
>forum, I believe) who had his lockers engaged, offroad. He was doing a 3
>point turn on the trail and broke something. Now, if you don't need the
>lockers, leave them disengaged! Heavy, tight turning is the most
>problematic for your locker setup. The guy got his Rubi fixed under
>warranty, went out and DID THE SAME THING!! Guess what? It broke again
>and he was pissed because the dealer wouldn't fix it.
Another way to say this is: don't use the lockers under high traction
situations where the tires cannot easily slip to remove drivetrain
stresses. Oversized tires with agressive tread makes this even more
important.
3 point turns take some forethought since a locker won't disengage
under load - you have to give it a little time to unlock before
initiating the turn. Maybe even back down the trail a bit to get it to
unlock before turning.
John Davies
Spokane WA USA
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>- Lockers physically LOCK both axles (both sides of the differential) so
>both wheels spin equally (both become "drive" wheels). You do this with
>the switch on the dash. There is a switch position for just the rear, or
>the rear and front. DO NOT USE THESE UNLESS YOU ARE OFFROAD!!! Something
>WILL break.
SNIP
>Understand the lockers before you use them. There was a guy (different
>forum, I believe) who had his lockers engaged, offroad. He was doing a 3
>point turn on the trail and broke something. Now, if you don't need the
>lockers, leave them disengaged! Heavy, tight turning is the most
>problematic for your locker setup. The guy got his Rubi fixed under
>warranty, went out and DID THE SAME THING!! Guess what? It broke again
>and he was pissed because the dealer wouldn't fix it.
Another way to say this is: don't use the lockers under high traction
situations where the tires cannot easily slip to remove drivetrain
stresses. Oversized tires with agressive tread makes this even more
important.
3 point turns take some forethought since a locker won't disengage
under load - you have to give it a little time to unlock before
initiating the turn. Maybe even back down the trail a bit to get it to
unlock before turning.
John Davies
Spokane WA USA