Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
10-20-2003, 03:37 PM
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Shoot, I thought it wuz just plain fun to run over the "size challenged"
cars. I must admit that it can be difficult to pick them out of the frame
rails when I get home, though....
Really, driving around D.C. in a small car is the pits. People cut you off
and are, in general, very rude drivers. Driving my old Jeep, people tended
to be a bit more cautious. Perhaps it was the fact that when they looked
out their back window all they seen was rubber and differential. = )
Here is a concept -- how about everyone driving like there is a police car
directly behind them. I think that there would be a significant reduction
in auto accidents and traffic jams.
IOW, drive as courteous as you would like others to be.
-- Joe
"Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:t5Qkb.2208$7t3.72282@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Suggesting that all SUV's are dangerous just because the handling
properties
> accredited to a curious narrow track, high c-o-g Japanese style jeep (a
> Suzuki, but laterly known as the Geo Tracker) led to a succession of
> rollovers and fatalitites in the hands of idiots is kinda like suggesting
> that all cars are based on the Chevrolet Corvair (the car that spawned the
> book "Unsafe at any speed") and, as such, should be banned from use on
> public roads.. all vehicles are dangerous to the occupants and others if
in
> the 'wrong' hands.. as long as the SUV driver engages sense at the same
time
> as selecting 4WD, and the 'Hot' Honda Civic driver activates sense as well
> as the 1000 watt stereo and the 'hydraulic' suspension, we should be able
to
> all get along without killing each other..
>
> --
> History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
>
> "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com...
> > >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that
I
> > >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it
would
> > >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a
bonus.
> > >
> > >Lisa
> >
> > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes
guts.
> >
> > You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
> > over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
> > nauseum.
> >
> > Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
> discarded
> > to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
> cease
> > to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy
> SUVs.
> >
> > The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
> burn
> > it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
> to
> > kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that
> steering
> > wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
> alternative
> > but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of
kids
> > because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation
> you
> > will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide
into
> > your victims' car and taking them out as well.
> >
> > There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you
could
> > have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge
you
> > with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
> > because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
> > accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute
some
> > of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
> > Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
> > judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
> up?
> >
> > One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
> > already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When
they
> > are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they
are
> > MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All
things
> > considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
> > CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
> > launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they
had
> > any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
> > depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
> > Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
> > and go to prison penniless.
> >
> > Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
> > certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes
back
> > in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
> > triple safe.
> >
>
>
cars. I must admit that it can be difficult to pick them out of the frame
rails when I get home, though....
Really, driving around D.C. in a small car is the pits. People cut you off
and are, in general, very rude drivers. Driving my old Jeep, people tended
to be a bit more cautious. Perhaps it was the fact that when they looked
out their back window all they seen was rubber and differential. = )
Here is a concept -- how about everyone driving like there is a police car
directly behind them. I think that there would be a significant reduction
in auto accidents and traffic jams.
IOW, drive as courteous as you would like others to be.
-- Joe
"Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:t5Qkb.2208$7t3.72282@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Suggesting that all SUV's are dangerous just because the handling
properties
> accredited to a curious narrow track, high c-o-g Japanese style jeep (a
> Suzuki, but laterly known as the Geo Tracker) led to a succession of
> rollovers and fatalitites in the hands of idiots is kinda like suggesting
> that all cars are based on the Chevrolet Corvair (the car that spawned the
> book "Unsafe at any speed") and, as such, should be banned from use on
> public roads.. all vehicles are dangerous to the occupants and others if
in
> the 'wrong' hands.. as long as the SUV driver engages sense at the same
time
> as selecting 4WD, and the 'Hot' Honda Civic driver activates sense as well
> as the 1000 watt stereo and the 'hydraulic' suspension, we should be able
to
> all get along without killing each other..
>
> --
> History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
>
> "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com...
> > >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that
I
> > >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it
would
> > >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a
bonus.
> > >
> > >Lisa
> >
> > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes
guts.
> >
> > You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
> > over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
> > nauseum.
> >
> > Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
> discarded
> > to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
> cease
> > to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy
> SUVs.
> >
> > The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
> burn
> > it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
> to
> > kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that
> steering
> > wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
> alternative
> > but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of
kids
> > because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation
> you
> > will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide
into
> > your victims' car and taking them out as well.
> >
> > There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you
could
> > have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge
you
> > with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
> > because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
> > accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute
some
> > of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
> > Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
> > judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
> up?
> >
> > One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
> > already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When
they
> > are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they
are
> > MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All
things
> > considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
> > CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
> > launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they
had
> > any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
> > depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
> > Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
> > and go to prison penniless.
> >
> > Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
> > certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes
back
> > in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
> > triple safe.
> >
>
>
10-20-2003, 05:39 PM
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), the following
appeared in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Nomen
Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>:
>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over.
Gee, so can I. Imagine that...
> With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
Only if you missed the curve.
>>Lisa
>
>Lisa, you scored with me.
She had to be told? Not very proficient, are you? ("Put it
back in the sand...")
> Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
Especially for anonymous posters.
>You must have been reading my posts,
Why? Did you see her puke?
> because I have said the same thing
>over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
>nauseum.
Leave out the "almost", moron.
Bye, now...
<CrapSnip>
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"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
appeared in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Nomen
Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>:
>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over.
Gee, so can I. Imagine that...
> With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
Only if you missed the curve.
>>Lisa
>
>Lisa, you scored with me.
She had to be told? Not very proficient, are you? ("Put it
back in the sand...")
> Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
Especially for anonymous posters.
>You must have been reading my posts,
Why? Did you see her puke?
> because I have said the same thing
>over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
>nauseum.
Leave out the "almost", moron.
Bye, now...
<CrapSnip>
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
10-20-2003, 05:39 PM
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), the following
appeared in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Nomen
Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>:
>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over.
Gee, so can I. Imagine that...
> With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
Only if you missed the curve.
>>Lisa
>
>Lisa, you scored with me.
She had to be told? Not very proficient, are you? ("Put it
back in the sand...")
> Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
Especially for anonymous posters.
>You must have been reading my posts,
Why? Did you see her puke?
> because I have said the same thing
>over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
>nauseum.
Leave out the "almost", moron.
Bye, now...
<CrapSnip>
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
appeared in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Nomen
Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>:
>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over.
Gee, so can I. Imagine that...
> With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
Only if you missed the curve.
>>Lisa
>
>Lisa, you scored with me.
She had to be told? Not very proficient, are you? ("Put it
back in the sand...")
> Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
Especially for anonymous posters.
>You must have been reading my posts,
Why? Did you see her puke?
> because I have said the same thing
>over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
>nauseum.
Leave out the "almost", moron.
Bye, now...
<CrapSnip>
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
10-20-2003, 05:39 PM
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), the following
appeared in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Nomen
Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>:
>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over.
Gee, so can I. Imagine that...
> With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
Only if you missed the curve.
>>Lisa
>
>Lisa, you scored with me.
She had to be told? Not very proficient, are you? ("Put it
back in the sand...")
> Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
Especially for anonymous posters.
>You must have been reading my posts,
Why? Did you see her puke?
> because I have said the same thing
>over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
>nauseum.
Leave out the "almost", moron.
Bye, now...
<CrapSnip>
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
appeared in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Nomen
Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>:
>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over.
Gee, so can I. Imagine that...
> With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
Only if you missed the curve.
>>Lisa
>
>Lisa, you scored with me.
She had to be told? Not very proficient, are you? ("Put it
back in the sand...")
> Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
Especially for anonymous posters.
>You must have been reading my posts,
Why? Did you see her puke?
> because I have said the same thing
>over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
>nauseum.
Leave out the "almost", moron.
Bye, now...
<CrapSnip>
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
10-20-2003, 06:07 PM
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
"Mike Borkhuis" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:GnUkb.6967$%a2.305@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't
> > control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and
> > don't care who they kill.
>
> You ever drive a tractor trailer?? You ever see how many stupid
drivers
> there are out there???
>
> I was riding in a buddy's semi last week on a run... We were
aproaching
> a split in the interstate. 2 lanes go straight, 2 lanes exit to the
right.
> We were in the right hand lane for the straight pair. When we get to the
> split a person in a car that was in the far right lane of the right split
> realized that they were going the wrong way. They slammed on their brakes
> and swerved sharply over into our lane.
> When you're driving a 80,000 truck that's doing 60MPH and a car pulls
in
> front of you doing 20 you do not have many choices. There's no way you
can
> stop quick.... If you swerve sharply, you can jacknife the trailer or
worse
> yet roll the thing on it's side both of which would cause a major accident
> and block the road for hours.
> Fortunatly, in this case, there was no one on our left and the guy
driving
> was able to gently swerve around the offending car.....
>
> It's not that semi drivers do not care... All that I've met are
> courtous and professional drivers. The bigger issue is that people
driving
> smaller vehicles do not know or understand that a tractor trailer does not
> react or handle like their car.
>
> Mike
>
Amen to that. 80% of all accidents between cars and large trucks are caused
by the car drivers, that is a statistical fact. Anyone who doubts it can
look up the stats themselves.
10-20-2003, 06:07 PM
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
"Mike Borkhuis" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:GnUkb.6967$%a2.305@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't
> > control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and
> > don't care who they kill.
>
> You ever drive a tractor trailer?? You ever see how many stupid
drivers
> there are out there???
>
> I was riding in a buddy's semi last week on a run... We were
aproaching
> a split in the interstate. 2 lanes go straight, 2 lanes exit to the
right.
> We were in the right hand lane for the straight pair. When we get to the
> split a person in a car that was in the far right lane of the right split
> realized that they were going the wrong way. They slammed on their brakes
> and swerved sharply over into our lane.
> When you're driving a 80,000 truck that's doing 60MPH and a car pulls
in
> front of you doing 20 you do not have many choices. There's no way you
can
> stop quick.... If you swerve sharply, you can jacknife the trailer or
worse
> yet roll the thing on it's side both of which would cause a major accident
> and block the road for hours.
> Fortunatly, in this case, there was no one on our left and the guy
driving
> was able to gently swerve around the offending car.....
>
> It's not that semi drivers do not care... All that I've met are
> courtous and professional drivers. The bigger issue is that people
driving
> smaller vehicles do not know or understand that a tractor trailer does not
> react or handle like their car.
>
> Mike
>
Amen to that. 80% of all accidents between cars and large trucks are caused
by the car drivers, that is a statistical fact. Anyone who doubts it can
look up the stats themselves.
10-20-2003, 06:07 PM
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
"Mike Borkhuis" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:GnUkb.6967$%a2.305@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't
> > control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and
> > don't care who they kill.
>
> You ever drive a tractor trailer?? You ever see how many stupid
drivers
> there are out there???
>
> I was riding in a buddy's semi last week on a run... We were
aproaching
> a split in the interstate. 2 lanes go straight, 2 lanes exit to the
right.
> We were in the right hand lane for the straight pair. When we get to the
> split a person in a car that was in the far right lane of the right split
> realized that they were going the wrong way. They slammed on their brakes
> and swerved sharply over into our lane.
> When you're driving a 80,000 truck that's doing 60MPH and a car pulls
in
> front of you doing 20 you do not have many choices. There's no way you
can
> stop quick.... If you swerve sharply, you can jacknife the trailer or
worse
> yet roll the thing on it's side both of which would cause a major accident
> and block the road for hours.
> Fortunatly, in this case, there was no one on our left and the guy
driving
> was able to gently swerve around the offending car.....
>
> It's not that semi drivers do not care... All that I've met are
> courtous and professional drivers. The bigger issue is that people
driving
> smaller vehicles do not know or understand that a tractor trailer does not
> react or handle like their car.
>
> Mike
>
Amen to that. 80% of all accidents between cars and large trucks are caused
by the car drivers, that is a statistical fact. Anyone who doubts it can
look up the stats themselves.
10-20-2003, 06:26 PM
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
It's worse than that, "Ratio of fatal accidents caused by car
drivers to those caused by truck drivers: 2.4 : 1" From Oregon's
Department of Transportation:
http://www.odot.state.or.us/trucking/safety/crashes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Douglas A. Shrader" wrote:
>
> Amen to that. 80% of all accidents between cars and large trucks are caused
> by the car drivers, that is a statistical fact. Anyone who doubts it can
> look up the stats themselves.
drivers to those caused by truck drivers: 2.4 : 1" From Oregon's
Department of Transportation:
http://www.odot.state.or.us/trucking/safety/crashes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Douglas A. Shrader" wrote:
>
> Amen to that. 80% of all accidents between cars and large trucks are caused
> by the car drivers, that is a statistical fact. Anyone who doubts it can
> look up the stats themselves.
10-20-2003, 06:26 PM
#69
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
It's worse than that, "Ratio of fatal accidents caused by car
drivers to those caused by truck drivers: 2.4 : 1" From Oregon's
Department of Transportation:
http://www.odot.state.or.us/trucking/safety/crashes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Douglas A. Shrader" wrote:
>
> Amen to that. 80% of all accidents between cars and large trucks are caused
> by the car drivers, that is a statistical fact. Anyone who doubts it can
> look up the stats themselves.
drivers to those caused by truck drivers: 2.4 : 1" From Oregon's
Department of Transportation:
http://www.odot.state.or.us/trucking/safety/crashes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Douglas A. Shrader" wrote:
>
> Amen to that. 80% of all accidents between cars and large trucks are caused
> by the car drivers, that is a statistical fact. Anyone who doubts it can
> look up the stats themselves.
10-20-2003, 06:26 PM
#70
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
It's worse than that, "Ratio of fatal accidents caused by car
drivers to those caused by truck drivers: 2.4 : 1" From Oregon's
Department of Transportation:
http://www.odot.state.or.us/trucking/safety/crashes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Douglas A. Shrader" wrote:
>
> Amen to that. 80% of all accidents between cars and large trucks are caused
> by the car drivers, that is a statistical fact. Anyone who doubts it can
> look up the stats themselves.
drivers to those caused by truck drivers: 2.4 : 1" From Oregon's
Department of Transportation:
http://www.odot.state.or.us/trucking/safety/crashes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Douglas A. Shrader" wrote:
>
> Amen to that. 80% of all accidents between cars and large trucks are caused
> by the car drivers, that is a statistical fact. Anyone who doubts it can
> look up the stats themselves.