Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

Nomen Nescio wrote:

>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
>>
>>Lisa
>
> Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
>
> You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
> over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
> nauseum.
>
> Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
> discarded
> to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
> cease to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those
> tipsy SUVs.
>
> The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
> burn
> it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
> to kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that
> steering
> wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
> alternative but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car
> full of kids because if you try anything like steering around an emergency
> situation you will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your
> death slide into your victims' car and taking them out as well.
>
> There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
> have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
> with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
> because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
> accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
> of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
> Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
> judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
> up?
>
> One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
> already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
> are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
> MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
> considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
> CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
> launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
> any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
> depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
> Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
> and go to prison penniless.
>
> Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
> certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
> in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
> triple safe.
You need to quit watching the news, SUV's don't roll over as easily as the
anti-SUV crowd says. Think about it, Suburbans, Blazers, Broncos, Scouts,
etc have been around since the 50's and 60's, I took my drivers test in a
'79 Blazer, they didn't roll over then, they weren't unsafe then. The
problem now is the drivers not the SUV's. The most dangerous vehicle I
ever owned was a minivan. Bad brakes, poor acceleration, poor handeling.
Going down mountain roads my brakes would fade to the point of non working
at the bottom of the hill. Had to slow down 5-10 below the speed advisory
sign on highway on ramps or it would lean way over. That was a '92 minivan
with all the modern stuff, ABS, rack and pinion steering, front wheel drive
with AWD. In contrast the '79 Blazer was an old fashioned truck and I
drove it like any teenager with a v8 witha 4 barrel carb :) and never came
close to rolling it over. That 79 Blazer got 14MPG up and down the hills
of WV, I don't know the highway milage, but it didn't have OD so it
probabally wasn't much better. The 92 Minivan got 16-18 city and 25
highway, the highway milage was acceptable, but the city was not espically
when you consider the poor acceleration. My 88 S-10 hit 27MPG highway with
a load of wire racks and tools under an aluminum cap, granted it was a
manual transmission with no AC but also had no cruise. My parents had a 93
chevy blazer at the same time we had the minivan, it would get between
20-25mpg, it was about 3" shorter than the minivan so it blocked less
poeples views as well. I feel much safer shareing the road with SUV's than
I do minivans. Now when I talk about SUV's I mean real ones with frames
and RWD. So many of the new ones really are FWD minivans labeled as SUV's
with all the poor performance of a minivan to go with it. The truck based
SUV's are some of the better vehicles out there, why? because their
driveline components are oversized. Trucks are made to carry loads and the
brakes and suspension have to be sized to account for that extra weight.
SUV's by being built off those same truck frames get to share some of the
biggr brakes and springs. The magazine tests won't show it but I've saved
the life of many honda drivers by trading my mini van for a truck that can
stop when they cut me off because their little car can fit in the space in
front of me.

Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

Nomen Nescio wrote:

>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
>>
>>Lisa
>
> Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
>
> You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
> over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
> nauseum.
>
> Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
> discarded
> to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
> cease to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those
> tipsy SUVs.
>
> The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
> burn
> it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
> to kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that
> steering
> wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
> alternative but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car
> full of kids because if you try anything like steering around an emergency
> situation you will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your
> death slide into your victims' car and taking them out as well.
>
> There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
> have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
> with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
> because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
> accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
> of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
> Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
> judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
> up?
>
> One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
> already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
> are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
> MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
> considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
> CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
> launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
> any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
> depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
> Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
> and go to prison penniless.
>
> Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
> certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
> in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
> triple safe.
You need to quit watching the news, SUV's don't roll over as easily as the
anti-SUV crowd says. Think about it, Suburbans, Blazers, Broncos, Scouts,
etc have been around since the 50's and 60's, I took my drivers test in a
'79 Blazer, they didn't roll over then, they weren't unsafe then. The
problem now is the drivers not the SUV's. The most dangerous vehicle I
ever owned was a minivan. Bad brakes, poor acceleration, poor handeling.
Going down mountain roads my brakes would fade to the point of non working
at the bottom of the hill. Had to slow down 5-10 below the speed advisory
sign on highway on ramps or it would lean way over. That was a '92 minivan
with all the modern stuff, ABS, rack and pinion steering, front wheel drive
with AWD. In contrast the '79 Blazer was an old fashioned truck and I
drove it like any teenager with a v8 witha 4 barrel carb :) and never came
close to rolling it over. That 79 Blazer got 14MPG up and down the hills
of WV, I don't know the highway milage, but it didn't have OD so it
probabally wasn't much better. The 92 Minivan got 16-18 city and 25
highway, the highway milage was acceptable, but the city was not espically
when you consider the poor acceleration. My 88 S-10 hit 27MPG highway with
a load of wire racks and tools under an aluminum cap, granted it was a
manual transmission with no AC but also had no cruise. My parents had a 93
chevy blazer at the same time we had the minivan, it would get between
20-25mpg, it was about 3" shorter than the minivan so it blocked less
poeples views as well. I feel much safer shareing the road with SUV's than
I do minivans. Now when I talk about SUV's I mean real ones with frames
and RWD. So many of the new ones really are FWD minivans labeled as SUV's
with all the poor performance of a minivan to go with it. The truck based
SUV's are some of the better vehicles out there, why? because their
driveline components are oversized. Trucks are made to carry loads and the
brakes and suspension have to be sized to account for that extra weight.
SUV's by being built off those same truck frames get to share some of the
biggr brakes and springs. The magazine tests won't show it but I've saved
the life of many honda drivers by trading my mini van for a truck that can
stop when they cut me off because their little car can fit in the space in
front of me.

Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

Nomen Nescio wrote:

>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
>>
>>Lisa
>
> Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
>
> You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
> over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
> nauseum.
>
> Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
> discarded
> to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
> cease to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those
> tipsy SUVs.
>
> The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
> burn
> it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
> to kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that
> steering
> wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
> alternative but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car
> full of kids because if you try anything like steering around an emergency
> situation you will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your
> death slide into your victims' car and taking them out as well.
>
> There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
> have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
> with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
> because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
> accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
> of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
> Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
> judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
> up?
>
> One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
> already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
> are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
> MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
> considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
> CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
> launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
> any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
> depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
> Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
> and go to prison penniless.
>
> Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
> certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
> in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
> triple safe.
You need to quit watching the news, SUV's don't roll over as easily as the
anti-SUV crowd says. Think about it, Suburbans, Blazers, Broncos, Scouts,
etc have been around since the 50's and 60's, I took my drivers test in a
'79 Blazer, they didn't roll over then, they weren't unsafe then. The
problem now is the drivers not the SUV's. The most dangerous vehicle I
ever owned was a minivan. Bad brakes, poor acceleration, poor handeling.
Going down mountain roads my brakes would fade to the point of non working
at the bottom of the hill. Had to slow down 5-10 below the speed advisory
sign on highway on ramps or it would lean way over. That was a '92 minivan
with all the modern stuff, ABS, rack and pinion steering, front wheel drive
with AWD. In contrast the '79 Blazer was an old fashioned truck and I
drove it like any teenager with a v8 witha 4 barrel carb :) and never came
close to rolling it over. That 79 Blazer got 14MPG up and down the hills
of WV, I don't know the highway milage, but it didn't have OD so it
probabally wasn't much better. The 92 Minivan got 16-18 city and 25
highway, the highway milage was acceptable, but the city was not espically
when you consider the poor acceleration. My 88 S-10 hit 27MPG highway with
a load of wire racks and tools under an aluminum cap, granted it was a
manual transmission with no AC but also had no cruise. My parents had a 93
chevy blazer at the same time we had the minivan, it would get between
20-25mpg, it was about 3" shorter than the minivan so it blocked less
poeples views as well. I feel much safer shareing the road with SUV's than
I do minivans. Now when I talk about SUV's I mean real ones with frames
and RWD. So many of the new ones really are FWD minivans labeled as SUV's
with all the poor performance of a minivan to go with it. The truck based
SUV's are some of the better vehicles out there, why? because their
driveline components are oversized. Trucks are made to carry loads and the
brakes and suspension have to be sized to account for that extra weight.
SUV's by being built off those same truck frames get to share some of the
biggr brakes and springs. The magazine tests won't show it but I've saved
the life of many honda drivers by trading my mini van for a truck that can
stop when they cut me off because their little car can fit in the space in
front of me.

Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

what's with the Latin, guy who doesn't know his own name ? you were saying
the same thing ad nauseam ad infinitum not "to the point of " ad nauseam, ad
infinitum. If you are going to be pretentious, at least be correct and
pretentious.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com...
: >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
: >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
: >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
: >
: >Lisa
:
: Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
:
: You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
: over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
: nauseum.
:
: Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
discarded
: to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
cease
: to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy
SUVs.
:
: The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
burn
: it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
to
: kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that
steering
: wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
alternative
: but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids
: because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation
you
: will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into
: your victims' car and taking them out as well.
:
: There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
: have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
: with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
: because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
: accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
: of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
: Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
: judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
up?
:
: One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
: already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
: are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
: MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
: considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
: CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
: launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
: any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
: depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
: Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
: and go to prison penniless.
:
: Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
: certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
: in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
: triple safe.
:

Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

what's with the Latin, guy who doesn't know his own name ? you were saying
the same thing ad nauseam ad infinitum not "to the point of " ad nauseam, ad
infinitum. If you are going to be pretentious, at least be correct and
pretentious.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com...
: >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
: >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
: >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
: >
: >Lisa
:
: Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
:
: You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
: over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
: nauseum.
:
: Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
discarded
: to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
cease
: to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy
SUVs.
:
: The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
burn
: it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
to
: kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that
steering
: wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
alternative
: but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids
: because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation
you
: will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into
: your victims' car and taking them out as well.
:
: There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
: have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
: with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
: because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
: accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
: of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
: Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
: judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
up?
:
: One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
: already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
: are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
: MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
: considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
: CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
: launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
: any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
: depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
: Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
: and go to prison penniless.
:
: Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
: certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
: in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
: triple safe.
:

Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

what's with the Latin, guy who doesn't know his own name ? you were saying
the same thing ad nauseam ad infinitum not "to the point of " ad nauseam, ad
infinitum. If you are going to be pretentious, at least be correct and
pretentious.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com...
: >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
: >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
: >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
: >
: >Lisa
:
: Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
:
: You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
: over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
: nauseum.
:
: Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
discarded
: to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
cease
: to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy
SUVs.
:
: The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
burn
: it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
to
: kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that
steering
: wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
alternative
: but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids
: because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation
you
: will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into
: your victims' car and taking them out as well.
:
: There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
: have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
: with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
: because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
: accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
: of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
: Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
: judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
up?
:
: One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
: already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
: are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
: MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
: considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
: CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
: launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
: any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
: depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
: Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
: and go to prison penniless.
:
: Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
: certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
: in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
: triple safe.
:

Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

>
> It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be
> propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can
> take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me
> why that is not enough to be safe.
> --

uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave

Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

>
> It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be
> propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can
> take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me
> why that is not enough to be safe.
> --

uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave

Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

>
> It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be
> propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can
> take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me
> why that is not enough to be safe.
> --

uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave

Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
 

I learned to drive my new '68 Jeep by taking the suggestion of a
CHP friend, that was to just add ten miles an hour to the posted speed
and It would drive normally like a passenger car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be
> propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can
> take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me
> why that is not enough to be safe.
> --
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