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Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. > >Lisa Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad nauseum. Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars discarded to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never cease to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into your victims' car and taking them out as well. There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter. Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and up? One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers! Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody and go to prison penniless. Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are triple safe. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com... > >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing > >that I can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, > >it would be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action > >as a bonus. > > > >Lisa > > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes > guts. Yeah, it probably does. Almost as much as it takes to post to Usenet with a fake name and anonymizing remailer software. The trouble with Hortons is that they never know when to give up, even when they are WRONG. Lisa must be a real close cousin. ;o) Earle ---self-righteous rant snipped--- |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com... > >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing > >that I can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, > >it would be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action > >as a bonus. > > > >Lisa > > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes > guts. Yeah, it probably does. Almost as much as it takes to post to Usenet with a fake name and anonymizing remailer software. The trouble with Hortons is that they never know when to give up, even when they are WRONG. Lisa must be a real close cousin. ;o) Earle ---self-righteous rant snipped--- |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com... > >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing > >that I can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, > >it would be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action > >as a bonus. > > > >Lisa > > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes > guts. Yeah, it probably does. Almost as much as it takes to post to Usenet with a fake name and anonymizing remailer software. The trouble with Hortons is that they never know when to give up, even when they are WRONG. Lisa must be a real close cousin. ;o) Earle ---self-righteous rant snipped--- |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
In article <5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com>,
nobody@dizum.com says... > >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I > >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would > >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. > > > >Lisa > > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. > > You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing > over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad > nauseum. > > Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars discarded > to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never cease > to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. > It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me why that is not enough to be safe. -- ____________________ Remove "X" from email address to reply. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
In article <5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com>,
nobody@dizum.com says... > >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I > >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would > >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. > > > >Lisa > > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. > > You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing > over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad > nauseum. > > Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars discarded > to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never cease > to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. > It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me why that is not enough to be safe. -- ____________________ Remove "X" from email address to reply. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
In article <5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com>,
nobody@dizum.com says... > >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I > >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would > >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. > > > >Lisa > > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. > > You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing > over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad > nauseum. > > Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars discarded > to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never cease > to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. > It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me why that is not enough to be safe. -- ____________________ Remove "X" from email address to reply. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
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Nobody, you're an inconsiderate a**hole for crossposting. If you had half a brain you'd know it is a violation many new groups' charters, and you did again here at: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys: ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Nomen NERCO wrote: ><snip> |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
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Nobody, you're an inconsiderate a**hole for crossposting. If you had half a brain you'd know it is a violation many new groups' charters, and you did again here at: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys: ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Nomen NERCO wrote: ><snip> |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I >>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would >>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. >> >>Lisa > > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. > > You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing > over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad > nauseum. > > Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars > discarded > to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never > cease to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those > tipsy SUVs. > > The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can > burn > it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going > to kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that > steering > wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no > alternative but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car > full of kids because if you try anything like steering around an emergency > situation you will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your > death slide into your victims' car and taking them out as well. > > There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could > have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you > with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault > because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer > accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some > of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter. > Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and > judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and > up? > > One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You > already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they > are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are > MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things > considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than > CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and > launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had > any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year > depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers! > Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody > and go to prison penniless. > > Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and > certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back > in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are > triple safe. You need to quit watching the news, SUV's don't roll over as easily as the anti-SUV crowd says. Think about it, Suburbans, Blazers, Broncos, Scouts, etc have been around since the 50's and 60's, I took my drivers test in a '79 Blazer, they didn't roll over then, they weren't unsafe then. The problem now is the drivers not the SUV's. The most dangerous vehicle I ever owned was a minivan. Bad brakes, poor acceleration, poor handeling. Going down mountain roads my brakes would fade to the point of non working at the bottom of the hill. Had to slow down 5-10 below the speed advisory sign on highway on ramps or it would lean way over. That was a '92 minivan with all the modern stuff, ABS, rack and pinion steering, front wheel drive with AWD. In contrast the '79 Blazer was an old fashioned truck and I drove it like any teenager with a v8 witha 4 barrel carb :) and never came close to rolling it over. That 79 Blazer got 14MPG up and down the hills of WV, I don't know the highway milage, but it didn't have OD so it probabally wasn't much better. The 92 Minivan got 16-18 city and 25 highway, the highway milage was acceptable, but the city was not espically when you consider the poor acceleration. My 88 S-10 hit 27MPG highway with a load of wire racks and tools under an aluminum cap, granted it was a manual transmission with no AC but also had no cruise. My parents had a 93 chevy blazer at the same time we had the minivan, it would get between 20-25mpg, it was about 3" shorter than the minivan so it blocked less poeples views as well. I feel much safer shareing the road with SUV's than I do minivans. Now when I talk about SUV's I mean real ones with frames and RWD. So many of the new ones really are FWD minivans labeled as SUV's with all the poor performance of a minivan to go with it. The truck based SUV's are some of the better vehicles out there, why? because their driveline components are oversized. Trucks are made to carry loads and the brakes and suspension have to be sized to account for that extra weight. SUV's by being built off those same truck frames get to share some of the biggr brakes and springs. The magazine tests won't show it but I've saved the life of many honda drivers by trading my mini van for a truck that can stop when they cut me off because their little car can fit in the space in front of me. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I >>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would >>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. >> >>Lisa > > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. > > You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing > over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad > nauseum. > > Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars > discarded > to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never > cease to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those > tipsy SUVs. > > The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can > burn > it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going > to kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that > steering > wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no > alternative but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car > full of kids because if you try anything like steering around an emergency > situation you will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your > death slide into your victims' car and taking them out as well. > > There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could > have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you > with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault > because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer > accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some > of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter. > Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and > judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and > up? > > One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You > already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they > are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are > MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things > considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than > CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and > launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had > any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year > depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers! > Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody > and go to prison penniless. > > Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and > certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back > in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are > triple safe. You need to quit watching the news, SUV's don't roll over as easily as the anti-SUV crowd says. Think about it, Suburbans, Blazers, Broncos, Scouts, etc have been around since the 50's and 60's, I took my drivers test in a '79 Blazer, they didn't roll over then, they weren't unsafe then. The problem now is the drivers not the SUV's. The most dangerous vehicle I ever owned was a minivan. Bad brakes, poor acceleration, poor handeling. Going down mountain roads my brakes would fade to the point of non working at the bottom of the hill. Had to slow down 5-10 below the speed advisory sign on highway on ramps or it would lean way over. That was a '92 minivan with all the modern stuff, ABS, rack and pinion steering, front wheel drive with AWD. In contrast the '79 Blazer was an old fashioned truck and I drove it like any teenager with a v8 witha 4 barrel carb :) and never came close to rolling it over. That 79 Blazer got 14MPG up and down the hills of WV, I don't know the highway milage, but it didn't have OD so it probabally wasn't much better. The 92 Minivan got 16-18 city and 25 highway, the highway milage was acceptable, but the city was not espically when you consider the poor acceleration. My 88 S-10 hit 27MPG highway with a load of wire racks and tools under an aluminum cap, granted it was a manual transmission with no AC but also had no cruise. My parents had a 93 chevy blazer at the same time we had the minivan, it would get between 20-25mpg, it was about 3" shorter than the minivan so it blocked less poeples views as well. I feel much safer shareing the road with SUV's than I do minivans. Now when I talk about SUV's I mean real ones with frames and RWD. So many of the new ones really are FWD minivans labeled as SUV's with all the poor performance of a minivan to go with it. The truck based SUV's are some of the better vehicles out there, why? because their driveline components are oversized. Trucks are made to carry loads and the brakes and suspension have to be sized to account for that extra weight. SUV's by being built off those same truck frames get to share some of the biggr brakes and springs. The magazine tests won't show it but I've saved the life of many honda drivers by trading my mini van for a truck that can stop when they cut me off because their little car can fit in the space in front of me. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I >>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would >>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. >> >>Lisa > > Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. > > You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing > over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad > nauseum. > > Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars > discarded > to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never > cease to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those > tipsy SUVs. > > The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can > burn > it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going > to kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that > steering > wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no > alternative but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car > full of kids because if you try anything like steering around an emergency > situation you will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your > death slide into your victims' car and taking them out as well. > > There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could > have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you > with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault > because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer > accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some > of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter. > Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and > judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and > up? > > One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You > already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they > are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are > MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things > considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than > CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and > launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had > any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year > depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers! > Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody > and go to prison penniless. > > Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and > certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back > in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are > triple safe. You need to quit watching the news, SUV's don't roll over as easily as the anti-SUV crowd says. Think about it, Suburbans, Blazers, Broncos, Scouts, etc have been around since the 50's and 60's, I took my drivers test in a '79 Blazer, they didn't roll over then, they weren't unsafe then. The problem now is the drivers not the SUV's. The most dangerous vehicle I ever owned was a minivan. Bad brakes, poor acceleration, poor handeling. Going down mountain roads my brakes would fade to the point of non working at the bottom of the hill. Had to slow down 5-10 below the speed advisory sign on highway on ramps or it would lean way over. That was a '92 minivan with all the modern stuff, ABS, rack and pinion steering, front wheel drive with AWD. In contrast the '79 Blazer was an old fashioned truck and I drove it like any teenager with a v8 witha 4 barrel carb :) and never came close to rolling it over. That 79 Blazer got 14MPG up and down the hills of WV, I don't know the highway milage, but it didn't have OD so it probabally wasn't much better. The 92 Minivan got 16-18 city and 25 highway, the highway milage was acceptable, but the city was not espically when you consider the poor acceleration. My 88 S-10 hit 27MPG highway with a load of wire racks and tools under an aluminum cap, granted it was a manual transmission with no AC but also had no cruise. My parents had a 93 chevy blazer at the same time we had the minivan, it would get between 20-25mpg, it was about 3" shorter than the minivan so it blocked less poeples views as well. I feel much safer shareing the road with SUV's than I do minivans. Now when I talk about SUV's I mean real ones with frames and RWD. So many of the new ones really are FWD minivans labeled as SUV's with all the poor performance of a minivan to go with it. The truck based SUV's are some of the better vehicles out there, why? because their driveline components are oversized. Trucks are made to carry loads and the brakes and suspension have to be sized to account for that extra weight. SUV's by being built off those same truck frames get to share some of the biggr brakes and springs. The magazine tests won't show it but I've saved the life of many honda drivers by trading my mini van for a truck that can stop when they cut me off because their little car can fit in the space in front of me. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
what's with the Latin, guy who doesn't know his own name ? you were saying
the same thing ad nauseam ad infinitum not "to the point of " ad nauseam, ad infinitum. If you are going to be pretentious, at least be correct and pretentious. Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com... : >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I : >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would : >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. : > : >Lisa : : Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. : : You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing : over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad : nauseum. : : Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars discarded : to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never cease : to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. : : The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn : it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to : kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering : wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative : but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids : because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you : will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into : your victims' car and taking them out as well. : : There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could : have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you : with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault : because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer : accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some : of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter. : Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and : judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and up? : : One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You : already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they : are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are : MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things : considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than : CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and : launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had : any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year : depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers! : Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody : and go to prison penniless. : : Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and : certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back : in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are : triple safe. : |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
what's with the Latin, guy who doesn't know his own name ? you were saying
the same thing ad nauseam ad infinitum not "to the point of " ad nauseam, ad infinitum. If you are going to be pretentious, at least be correct and pretentious. Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com... : >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I : >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would : >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. : > : >Lisa : : Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. : : You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing : over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad : nauseum. : : Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars discarded : to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never cease : to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. : : The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn : it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to : kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering : wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative : but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids : because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you : will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into : your victims' car and taking them out as well. : : There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could : have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you : with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault : because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer : accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some : of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter. : Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and : judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and up? : : One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You : already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they : are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are : MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things : considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than : CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and : launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had : any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year : depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers! : Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody : and go to prison penniless. : : Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and : certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back : in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are : triple safe. : |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
what's with the Latin, guy who doesn't know his own name ? you were saying
the same thing ad nauseam ad infinitum not "to the point of " ad nauseam, ad infinitum. If you are going to be pretentious, at least be correct and pretentious. Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message news:5e190aec50b6739ba291544f9a87fbb9@dizum.com... : >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I : >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would : >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. : > : >Lisa : : Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. : : You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing : over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad : nauseum. : : Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars discarded : to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never cease : to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. : : The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn : it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to : kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering : wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative : but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids : because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you : will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into : your victims' car and taking them out as well. : : There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could : have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you : with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault : because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer : accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some : of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter. : Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and : judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and up? : : One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You : already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they : are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are : MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things : considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than : CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and : launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had : any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year : depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers! : Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody : and go to prison penniless. : : Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and : certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back : in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are : triple safe. : |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
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> It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be > propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can > take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me > why that is not enough to be safe. > -- uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
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> It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be > propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can > take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me > why that is not enough to be safe. > -- uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
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> It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be > propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can > take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me > why that is not enough to be safe. > -- uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
I learned to drive my new '68 Jeep by taking the suggestion of a
CHP friend, that was to just add ten miles an hour to the posted speed and It would drive normally like a passenger car. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Chris Phillipo wrote: > > It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be > propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can > take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me > why that is not enough to be safe. > -- > ____________________ > Remove "X" from email address to reply. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
I learned to drive my new '68 Jeep by taking the suggestion of a
CHP friend, that was to just add ten miles an hour to the posted speed and It would drive normally like a passenger car. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Chris Phillipo wrote: > > It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be > propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can > take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me > why that is not enough to be safe. > -- > ____________________ > Remove "X" from email address to reply. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
I learned to drive my new '68 Jeep by taking the suggestion of a
CHP friend, that was to just add ten miles an hour to the posted speed and It would drive normally like a passenger car. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Chris Phillipo wrote: > > It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be > propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can > take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me > why that is not enough to be safe. > -- > ____________________ > Remove "X" from email address to reply. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Dave C. wrote:
>>It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be >>propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can >>take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me >>why that is not enough to be safe. >>-- > > > uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave > > That, and everyone else is driving faster than the speed limit. nate -- remove "horny" from my email address to reply. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Dave C. wrote:
>>It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be >>propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can >>take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me >>why that is not enough to be safe. >>-- > > > uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave > > That, and everyone else is driving faster than the speed limit. nate -- remove "horny" from my email address to reply. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Dave C. wrote:
>>It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be >>propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can >>take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me >>why that is not enough to be safe. >>-- > > > uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave > > That, and everyone else is driving faster than the speed limit. nate -- remove "horny" from my email address to reply. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote: >>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I >>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would >>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. >> >>Lisa > >Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. "redneck bozos" How do you figure that one? Foksk who call Ms. Horton on her goofiness are redneck bozos for some reason? I never cease >to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. Many people are amazed by things that they can't comprehend. The problem is you SUV owners are going to >kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. Perhaps you would be scared shitless but many folks that can actually drive certainly aren't. You have no alternative >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into >your victims' car and taking them out as well. --------. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote: >>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I >>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would >>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. >> >>Lisa > >Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. "redneck bozos" How do you figure that one? Foksk who call Ms. Horton on her goofiness are redneck bozos for some reason? I never cease >to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. Many people are amazed by things that they can't comprehend. The problem is you SUV owners are going to >kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. Perhaps you would be scared shitless but many folks that can actually drive certainly aren't. You have no alternative >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into >your victims' car and taking them out as well. --------. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote: >>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I >>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would >>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus. >> >>Lisa > >Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts. "redneck bozos" How do you figure that one? Foksk who call Ms. Horton on her goofiness are redneck bozos for some reason? I never cease >to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs. Many people are amazed by things that they can't comprehend. The problem is you SUV owners are going to >kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. Perhaps you would be scared shitless but many folks that can actually drive certainly aren't. You have no alternative >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into >your victims' car and taking them out as well. --------. |
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Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > >The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn >it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to >kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into >your victims' car and taking them out as well. > > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a few months in the can and lose their DL permanently. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > >The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn >it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to >kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into >your victims' car and taking them out as well. > > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a few months in the can and lose their DL permanently. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > >The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn >it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to >kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into >your victims' car and taking them out as well. > > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a few months in the can and lose their DL permanently. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Eighty miles an hour is cruising speed up Interstate fifteen, and
only five miles over the legal speed limit between Barstow and Las Vegas. Sound like your vehicle couldn't keep up and may be a traffic hazard. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ aunt, millie wrote: > > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't > control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and > don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties > for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath > caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a > few months in the can and lose their DL permanently. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Eighty miles an hour is cruising speed up Interstate fifteen, and
only five miles over the legal speed limit between Barstow and Las Vegas. Sound like your vehicle couldn't keep up and may be a traffic hazard. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ aunt, millie wrote: > > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't > control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and > don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties > for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath > caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a > few months in the can and lose their DL permanently. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
Eighty miles an hour is cruising speed up Interstate fifteen, and
only five miles over the legal speed limit between Barstow and Las Vegas. Sound like your vehicle couldn't keep up and may be a traffic hazard. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ aunt, millie wrote: > > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't > control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and > don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties > for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath > caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a > few months in the can and lose their DL permanently. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
My SUV Isuzu Bighorn (read Trooper if you're in the US), at 1980 Kg and big
brakes stops faster than my Nissan Laurel at 1275 Kg. in a crash with the Bighorn, impact speeds will b lower, giving both vehicles occupants more chance of surviving. The 2.8L Turbo Diesel in the Bighorn uses less fuel than the 2L petrol in the Sedan. Add to that the fact that my Bighorn can get right up the creek to the camp and I don't have to haul my dead deer 8 Km to the nearest road a car can manage and I'll stay with the SUV. <aunt millie> wrote in message news:mlp6pvkq20nvj2kv6vrq1o89dnn7v3gp2a@4ax.com... > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio > <nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > > > > > >The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn > >it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to > >kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering > >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative > >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids > >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you > >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into > >your victims' car and taking them out as well. > > > > > > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't > control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and > don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties > for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath > caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a > few months in the can and lose their DL permanently. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
My SUV Isuzu Bighorn (read Trooper if you're in the US), at 1980 Kg and big
brakes stops faster than my Nissan Laurel at 1275 Kg. in a crash with the Bighorn, impact speeds will b lower, giving both vehicles occupants more chance of surviving. The 2.8L Turbo Diesel in the Bighorn uses less fuel than the 2L petrol in the Sedan. Add to that the fact that my Bighorn can get right up the creek to the camp and I don't have to haul my dead deer 8 Km to the nearest road a car can manage and I'll stay with the SUV. <aunt millie> wrote in message news:mlp6pvkq20nvj2kv6vrq1o89dnn7v3gp2a@4ax.com... > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio > <nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > > > > > >The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn > >it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to > >kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering > >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative > >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids > >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you > >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into > >your victims' car and taking them out as well. > > > > > > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't > control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and > don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties > for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath > caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a > few months in the can and lose their DL permanently. |
Re: Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink
My SUV Isuzu Bighorn (read Trooper if you're in the US), at 1980 Kg and big
brakes stops faster than my Nissan Laurel at 1275 Kg. in a crash with the Bighorn, impact speeds will b lower, giving both vehicles occupants more chance of surviving. The 2.8L Turbo Diesel in the Bighorn uses less fuel than the 2L petrol in the Sedan. Add to that the fact that my Bighorn can get right up the creek to the camp and I don't have to haul my dead deer 8 Km to the nearest road a car can manage and I'll stay with the SUV. <aunt millie> wrote in message news:mlp6pvkq20nvj2kv6vrq1o89dnn7v3gp2a@4ax.com... > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio > <nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > > > > > >The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn > >it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to > >kill somebody with it because you are scared shitless to whip that steering > >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative > >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids > >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you > >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into > >your victims' car and taking them out as well. > > > > > > Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't > control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and > don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties > for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath > caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a > few months in the can and lose their DL permanently. |
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