Liberty diesel...when?
#21
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Re: Liberty diesel...when?
Well, I don't think we should jail him for casual social use
on the weekends, but if he progresses to habitual use, or worse,
becomes a *petrol dealer*, I say we should string him up.
Approximately 8/31/03 10:43, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
> One would do well to consider the source of this post. Mr. Milne is himself
> an admitted petrol user.
>
> http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:H0j4b.7868$Jm6.2303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> The Grand Cherokee already has a 3.1 td with 283 lb ft of torque at 1800
>> rpm, and 138 bhp at 3600 rpm giving it a top speed of 108 mph and an
>> acceleration from 0-60 mph in 13.5 seconds. The 2.8 common rail of the
>> Liberty has 148 bhp at 3,800 rpm and 266 lb ft of torque at 1,800-2,600
>> rpm, and a 0-62 time of 12.6 seconds.
>>
>
on the weekends, but if he progresses to habitual use, or worse,
becomes a *petrol dealer*, I say we should string him up.
Approximately 8/31/03 10:43, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
> One would do well to consider the source of this post. Mr. Milne is himself
> an admitted petrol user.
>
> http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:H0j4b.7868$Jm6.2303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> The Grand Cherokee already has a 3.1 td with 283 lb ft of torque at 1800
>> rpm, and 138 bhp at 3600 rpm giving it a top speed of 108 mph and an
>> acceleration from 0-60 mph in 13.5 seconds. The 2.8 common rail of the
>> Liberty has 148 bhp at 3,800 rpm and 266 lb ft of torque at 1,800-2,600
>> rpm, and a 0-62 time of 12.6 seconds.
>>
>
#22
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Re: Liberty diesel...when?
I have a 190D right now. It gets nearly 30 mpg and has 225K miles on the
odometer. It still runs clean too, no black clouds. I didn't know that the
190 came with a Turbo? Mines the 2.5L
KH
"curt" <h_curtis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> > curt wrote:
> >
> > > What do you mean diesels are impractical? If it wasn't for the smog,
I
> > > would be driving one. I test drove the TDI Jetta and it is awesome.
> > > Plenty
> > > fast and gets amazing mileage. I would have bought one for my daily,
> but
> > > I
> > > can't live with the smog situation. It is just too much. I live in
> > > Pittsburgh and really don't want to add to the situation here. I also
> > > email Volkswagen to find out it there is anything I could do with the
> > > exhaust to
> > > make it better. They told me no.
> > >
> > > I had a Mercedes 190 td 2.5 years ago. It was plenty fast and got
great
> > > mileage. I think they are great for every day use if they didn't
> pollute
> > > so
> > > much. Lets face it......they stink and pollute too much. As far as
how
> > > the
> > > US views diesels it is justified. Detroit put diesels in cars in the
> 70's
> > > and they were converted gas motors. What a joke. They were garbage.
> The
> > > Germans make great diesels.
> >
> > Motor Trend Magazine:
> >
> > 2002 Jetta TDI1.8 - 90 HP, 0-60 13.8 secs, 1/4 mile 19.4 secs
> >
> > Some power...
> >
> > To give an better idea at the lack of power, a Civic Hybrid got 0-60 in
> 11.9
> > secs and 18.2 secs in the 1/4. A Kia Rio did 60 in 12.8 secs and 19.1
> secs
> > in the 1/4. As a matter of fact, the only vehicle listed as actually
> slower
> > than the TDI was the Hummer H1 with 60 coming in at 15.6 and the 1/4 in
> > 19.8 secs.
> >
> > Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at
very
> > low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
> > smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
>
> Keep in mind you are not buying a TDI for speed. You are buying it so
you
> don't have to stop at a gas station very often. The mileage on these
things
> are amazing. Like I said I owned a Mercedes 190 TD 2.5. It was pretty
fast
> and got very good mileage. Not as good as the TDI, but good. If it
wasn't
> for the pollution, I would buy a TDI for my daily in a heartbeat. My Jeep
> get terrible mileage! 15 or so at best. That is a far cry from 40-50
mpg.
> I can deal with a slower car for that mileage.
>
> The maintenance on diesels is much better than a gasser too. Nothing but
> change oil. If you are lucky enough to own a Mercedes diesel you can
drive
> them for 350 K ++ and do almost nothing to them. There are some driving
> around with over 1 million miles on them.
>
> Anyway, I do like the Civic Hybrid. They are improving it yearly. It
could
> very well be my next car. I will of course keep the Jeep. I may have it
> for another 10 years for all I know. I want it to keep ticking.
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt
>
>
odometer. It still runs clean too, no black clouds. I didn't know that the
190 came with a Turbo? Mines the 2.5L
KH
"curt" <h_curtis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> > curt wrote:
> >
> > > What do you mean diesels are impractical? If it wasn't for the smog,
I
> > > would be driving one. I test drove the TDI Jetta and it is awesome.
> > > Plenty
> > > fast and gets amazing mileage. I would have bought one for my daily,
> but
> > > I
> > > can't live with the smog situation. It is just too much. I live in
> > > Pittsburgh and really don't want to add to the situation here. I also
> > > email Volkswagen to find out it there is anything I could do with the
> > > exhaust to
> > > make it better. They told me no.
> > >
> > > I had a Mercedes 190 td 2.5 years ago. It was plenty fast and got
great
> > > mileage. I think they are great for every day use if they didn't
> pollute
> > > so
> > > much. Lets face it......they stink and pollute too much. As far as
how
> > > the
> > > US views diesels it is justified. Detroit put diesels in cars in the
> 70's
> > > and they were converted gas motors. What a joke. They were garbage.
> The
> > > Germans make great diesels.
> >
> > Motor Trend Magazine:
> >
> > 2002 Jetta TDI1.8 - 90 HP, 0-60 13.8 secs, 1/4 mile 19.4 secs
> >
> > Some power...
> >
> > To give an better idea at the lack of power, a Civic Hybrid got 0-60 in
> 11.9
> > secs and 18.2 secs in the 1/4. A Kia Rio did 60 in 12.8 secs and 19.1
> secs
> > in the 1/4. As a matter of fact, the only vehicle listed as actually
> slower
> > than the TDI was the Hummer H1 with 60 coming in at 15.6 and the 1/4 in
> > 19.8 secs.
> >
> > Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at
very
> > low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
> > smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
>
> Keep in mind you are not buying a TDI for speed. You are buying it so
you
> don't have to stop at a gas station very often. The mileage on these
things
> are amazing. Like I said I owned a Mercedes 190 TD 2.5. It was pretty
fast
> and got very good mileage. Not as good as the TDI, but good. If it
wasn't
> for the pollution, I would buy a TDI for my daily in a heartbeat. My Jeep
> get terrible mileage! 15 or so at best. That is a far cry from 40-50
mpg.
> I can deal with a slower car for that mileage.
>
> The maintenance on diesels is much better than a gasser too. Nothing but
> change oil. If you are lucky enough to own a Mercedes diesel you can
drive
> them for 350 K ++ and do almost nothing to them. There are some driving
> around with over 1 million miles on them.
>
> Anyway, I do like the Civic Hybrid. They are improving it yearly. It
could
> very well be my next car. I will of course keep the Jeep. I may have it
> for another 10 years for all I know. I want it to keep ticking.
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt
>
>
#23
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Re: Liberty diesel...when?
I have a 190D right now. It gets nearly 30 mpg and has 225K miles on the
odometer. It still runs clean too, no black clouds. I didn't know that the
190 came with a Turbo? Mines the 2.5L
KH
"curt" <h_curtis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> > curt wrote:
> >
> > > What do you mean diesels are impractical? If it wasn't for the smog,
I
> > > would be driving one. I test drove the TDI Jetta and it is awesome.
> > > Plenty
> > > fast and gets amazing mileage. I would have bought one for my daily,
> but
> > > I
> > > can't live with the smog situation. It is just too much. I live in
> > > Pittsburgh and really don't want to add to the situation here. I also
> > > email Volkswagen to find out it there is anything I could do with the
> > > exhaust to
> > > make it better. They told me no.
> > >
> > > I had a Mercedes 190 td 2.5 years ago. It was plenty fast and got
great
> > > mileage. I think they are great for every day use if they didn't
> pollute
> > > so
> > > much. Lets face it......they stink and pollute too much. As far as
how
> > > the
> > > US views diesels it is justified. Detroit put diesels in cars in the
> 70's
> > > and they were converted gas motors. What a joke. They were garbage.
> The
> > > Germans make great diesels.
> >
> > Motor Trend Magazine:
> >
> > 2002 Jetta TDI1.8 - 90 HP, 0-60 13.8 secs, 1/4 mile 19.4 secs
> >
> > Some power...
> >
> > To give an better idea at the lack of power, a Civic Hybrid got 0-60 in
> 11.9
> > secs and 18.2 secs in the 1/4. A Kia Rio did 60 in 12.8 secs and 19.1
> secs
> > in the 1/4. As a matter of fact, the only vehicle listed as actually
> slower
> > than the TDI was the Hummer H1 with 60 coming in at 15.6 and the 1/4 in
> > 19.8 secs.
> >
> > Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at
very
> > low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
> > smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
>
> Keep in mind you are not buying a TDI for speed. You are buying it so
you
> don't have to stop at a gas station very often. The mileage on these
things
> are amazing. Like I said I owned a Mercedes 190 TD 2.5. It was pretty
fast
> and got very good mileage. Not as good as the TDI, but good. If it
wasn't
> for the pollution, I would buy a TDI for my daily in a heartbeat. My Jeep
> get terrible mileage! 15 or so at best. That is a far cry from 40-50
mpg.
> I can deal with a slower car for that mileage.
>
> The maintenance on diesels is much better than a gasser too. Nothing but
> change oil. If you are lucky enough to own a Mercedes diesel you can
drive
> them for 350 K ++ and do almost nothing to them. There are some driving
> around with over 1 million miles on them.
>
> Anyway, I do like the Civic Hybrid. They are improving it yearly. It
could
> very well be my next car. I will of course keep the Jeep. I may have it
> for another 10 years for all I know. I want it to keep ticking.
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt
>
>
odometer. It still runs clean too, no black clouds. I didn't know that the
190 came with a Turbo? Mines the 2.5L
KH
"curt" <h_curtis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> > curt wrote:
> >
> > > What do you mean diesels are impractical? If it wasn't for the smog,
I
> > > would be driving one. I test drove the TDI Jetta and it is awesome.
> > > Plenty
> > > fast and gets amazing mileage. I would have bought one for my daily,
> but
> > > I
> > > can't live with the smog situation. It is just too much. I live in
> > > Pittsburgh and really don't want to add to the situation here. I also
> > > email Volkswagen to find out it there is anything I could do with the
> > > exhaust to
> > > make it better. They told me no.
> > >
> > > I had a Mercedes 190 td 2.5 years ago. It was plenty fast and got
great
> > > mileage. I think they are great for every day use if they didn't
> pollute
> > > so
> > > much. Lets face it......they stink and pollute too much. As far as
how
> > > the
> > > US views diesels it is justified. Detroit put diesels in cars in the
> 70's
> > > and they were converted gas motors. What a joke. They were garbage.
> The
> > > Germans make great diesels.
> >
> > Motor Trend Magazine:
> >
> > 2002 Jetta TDI1.8 - 90 HP, 0-60 13.8 secs, 1/4 mile 19.4 secs
> >
> > Some power...
> >
> > To give an better idea at the lack of power, a Civic Hybrid got 0-60 in
> 11.9
> > secs and 18.2 secs in the 1/4. A Kia Rio did 60 in 12.8 secs and 19.1
> secs
> > in the 1/4. As a matter of fact, the only vehicle listed as actually
> slower
> > than the TDI was the Hummer H1 with 60 coming in at 15.6 and the 1/4 in
> > 19.8 secs.
> >
> > Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at
very
> > low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
> > smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
>
> Keep in mind you are not buying a TDI for speed. You are buying it so
you
> don't have to stop at a gas station very often. The mileage on these
things
> are amazing. Like I said I owned a Mercedes 190 TD 2.5. It was pretty
fast
> and got very good mileage. Not as good as the TDI, but good. If it
wasn't
> for the pollution, I would buy a TDI for my daily in a heartbeat. My Jeep
> get terrible mileage! 15 or so at best. That is a far cry from 40-50
mpg.
> I can deal with a slower car for that mileage.
>
> The maintenance on diesels is much better than a gasser too. Nothing but
> change oil. If you are lucky enough to own a Mercedes diesel you can
drive
> them for 350 K ++ and do almost nothing to them. There are some driving
> around with over 1 million miles on them.
>
> Anyway, I do like the Civic Hybrid. They are improving it yearly. It
could
> very well be my next car. I will of course keep the Jeep. I may have it
> for another 10 years for all I know. I want it to keep ticking.
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt
>
>
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Re: Liberty diesel...when?
In message <3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>, Big Daddy wrote:
> Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at very
> low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
> smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
Let me start this post off on a good note and tell you that having driven a
TurboDiesel sedan for 13 years, you are full of ----. I drove mine into places
that had never even seen a car like mine, and put lots of highway miles on it.
Yes, it wouldn't burn the tires off the line (automatic), but mine got moving
pretty damned quickly. (My previous car had been a 280ZX, so I had a pretty
good idea of off-line acceleration). No, I wouldn't own one w/o a turbo, but
the turbodiesel is an ideal combination.
Too costly to fix? If you ignore a waterpump & alternator, which are actually
ancillary items, I can say that my Turbodiesel cost me about $100 in 13 years,
and that was to finally replace the injector tips, which I did for free at my
local Mercedes dealer. (Show me a gas engine that can go for 13 years w/o a
plug change.)
Smelly? Hell, I LOVE the smell of diesel fuel compared to the sickening smell
of many catalytic equiped gas cars. As for smoking, a well designed diesel
that's properly run will not smoke. I NEVER saw smoke from my diesel, but
followed many a Mercedes diesel that smoked like a banshee. The only visible
exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80 degrees my diesel emitted
what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit - that was not smoke, but raw
unburned diesel fuel (white in color)
Gas stations - even the most remote locations in the US have diesel pumps. My
car actually came with a map of many stations that sold diesel just in case,
but I never needed it, and I traveled to some real "bumbfu*k" out of the way
places.
Oh yeah, you're probably wondering what I had, huh? It was a 1981 Peugeot
505STD with their XDS diesel engine, AiResearch Turbo, Bosch mechanical
injection. You were right on 1 point - The car went to the grave because the
body rusted to pieces.
--
-bob-
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> Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at very
> low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
> smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
Let me start this post off on a good note and tell you that having driven a
TurboDiesel sedan for 13 years, you are full of ----. I drove mine into places
that had never even seen a car like mine, and put lots of highway miles on it.
Yes, it wouldn't burn the tires off the line (automatic), but mine got moving
pretty damned quickly. (My previous car had been a 280ZX, so I had a pretty
good idea of off-line acceleration). No, I wouldn't own one w/o a turbo, but
the turbodiesel is an ideal combination.
Too costly to fix? If you ignore a waterpump & alternator, which are actually
ancillary items, I can say that my Turbodiesel cost me about $100 in 13 years,
and that was to finally replace the injector tips, which I did for free at my
local Mercedes dealer. (Show me a gas engine that can go for 13 years w/o a
plug change.)
Smelly? Hell, I LOVE the smell of diesel fuel compared to the sickening smell
of many catalytic equiped gas cars. As for smoking, a well designed diesel
that's properly run will not smoke. I NEVER saw smoke from my diesel, but
followed many a Mercedes diesel that smoked like a banshee. The only visible
exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80 degrees my diesel emitted
what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit - that was not smoke, but raw
unburned diesel fuel (white in color)
Gas stations - even the most remote locations in the US have diesel pumps. My
car actually came with a map of many stations that sold diesel just in case,
but I never needed it, and I traveled to some real "bumbfu*k" out of the way
places.
Oh yeah, you're probably wondering what I had, huh? It was a 1981 Peugeot
505STD with their XDS diesel engine, AiResearch Turbo, Bosch mechanical
injection. You were right on 1 point - The car went to the grave because the
body rusted to pieces.
--
-bob-
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Re: Liberty diesel...when?
In message <3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>, Big Daddy wrote:
> Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at very
> low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
> smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
Let me start this post off on a good note and tell you that having driven a
TurboDiesel sedan for 13 years, you are full of ----. I drove mine into places
that had never even seen a car like mine, and put lots of highway miles on it.
Yes, it wouldn't burn the tires off the line (automatic), but mine got moving
pretty damned quickly. (My previous car had been a 280ZX, so I had a pretty
good idea of off-line acceleration). No, I wouldn't own one w/o a turbo, but
the turbodiesel is an ideal combination.
Too costly to fix? If you ignore a waterpump & alternator, which are actually
ancillary items, I can say that my Turbodiesel cost me about $100 in 13 years,
and that was to finally replace the injector tips, which I did for free at my
local Mercedes dealer. (Show me a gas engine that can go for 13 years w/o a
plug change.)
Smelly? Hell, I LOVE the smell of diesel fuel compared to the sickening smell
of many catalytic equiped gas cars. As for smoking, a well designed diesel
that's properly run will not smoke. I NEVER saw smoke from my diesel, but
followed many a Mercedes diesel that smoked like a banshee. The only visible
exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80 degrees my diesel emitted
what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit - that was not smoke, but raw
unburned diesel fuel (white in color)
Gas stations - even the most remote locations in the US have diesel pumps. My
car actually came with a map of many stations that sold diesel just in case,
but I never needed it, and I traveled to some real "bumbfu*k" out of the way
places.
Oh yeah, you're probably wondering what I had, huh? It was a 1981 Peugeot
505STD with their XDS diesel engine, AiResearch Turbo, Bosch mechanical
injection. You were right on 1 point - The car went to the grave because the
body rusted to pieces.
--
-bob-
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> Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at very
> low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
> smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
Let me start this post off on a good note and tell you that having driven a
TurboDiesel sedan for 13 years, you are full of ----. I drove mine into places
that had never even seen a car like mine, and put lots of highway miles on it.
Yes, it wouldn't burn the tires off the line (automatic), but mine got moving
pretty damned quickly. (My previous car had been a 280ZX, so I had a pretty
good idea of off-line acceleration). No, I wouldn't own one w/o a turbo, but
the turbodiesel is an ideal combination.
Too costly to fix? If you ignore a waterpump & alternator, which are actually
ancillary items, I can say that my Turbodiesel cost me about $100 in 13 years,
and that was to finally replace the injector tips, which I did for free at my
local Mercedes dealer. (Show me a gas engine that can go for 13 years w/o a
plug change.)
Smelly? Hell, I LOVE the smell of diesel fuel compared to the sickening smell
of many catalytic equiped gas cars. As for smoking, a well designed diesel
that's properly run will not smoke. I NEVER saw smoke from my diesel, but
followed many a Mercedes diesel that smoked like a banshee. The only visible
exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80 degrees my diesel emitted
what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit - that was not smoke, but raw
unburned diesel fuel (white in color)
Gas stations - even the most remote locations in the US have diesel pumps. My
car actually came with a map of many stations that sold diesel just in case,
but I never needed it, and I traveled to some real "bumbfu*k" out of the way
places.
Oh yeah, you're probably wondering what I had, huh? It was a 1981 Peugeot
505STD with their XDS diesel engine, AiResearch Turbo, Bosch mechanical
injection. You were right on 1 point - The car went to the grave because the
body rusted to pieces.
--
-bob-
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#26
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Re: Liberty diesel...when?
all because some soccer-mom thinks the toxins are heavier in the black
exhaust.
But you can always get the motor off dino-fuel, and burn biodiesel... your
jeep will smell like burning deepfryer grease, but it's a small price to
pay.
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Approximately 8/30/03 22:28, Grumman-581 uttered for posterity:
>
> > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote ...
> >> Diesel??? Why would anyone with a choice want that rattling, clattering
> >> smoking low output engine anyway? Let me guess, you need it to tow
heavy
> >> trailers with liberty... right?
> >
> > From what I understand, the newer turbo diesels are a lot better...
Better
> > acceleration, horsepower, plus you get the low end torque for pulling a
> > trailer... When my I-6 finally goes out on my '95 XJ, I'm tempted to put
a
> > Detroit Diesel 4.0L engine in it... It'll still give me 180 or so
> > horsepower, but the torque should be great for towing a trailer... I
guess
> > it'll depend upon what the price of gasoline is at that point compared
to
> > diesel fuel... Diesels have been more popular in Europe than here in the
US
> > since there is more of a price difference in diesel fuel vs autogas...
> >
> >
> Plus the good folks at the USofA government, who as we all know
> are "here to help you" have started to tighten the emissions on
> diesels in the USofA and on the fuel itself, slowly moving the
> antiquated diesel system here to the cleaner variety more common
> in Europe.
>
> As for why a diesel, torque, torque, torque. Would love to see
> DC add a big diesel similar to the big VW one.
>
exhaust.
But you can always get the motor off dino-fuel, and burn biodiesel... your
jeep will smell like burning deepfryer grease, but it's a small price to
pay.
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Nuq4b.239913$It4.113406@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att .net...
> Approximately 8/30/03 22:28, Grumman-581 uttered for posterity:
>
> > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote ...
> >> Diesel??? Why would anyone with a choice want that rattling, clattering
> >> smoking low output engine anyway? Let me guess, you need it to tow
heavy
> >> trailers with liberty... right?
> >
> > From what I understand, the newer turbo diesels are a lot better...
Better
> > acceleration, horsepower, plus you get the low end torque for pulling a
> > trailer... When my I-6 finally goes out on my '95 XJ, I'm tempted to put
a
> > Detroit Diesel 4.0L engine in it... It'll still give me 180 or so
> > horsepower, but the torque should be great for towing a trailer... I
guess
> > it'll depend upon what the price of gasoline is at that point compared
to
> > diesel fuel... Diesels have been more popular in Europe than here in the
US
> > since there is more of a price difference in diesel fuel vs autogas...
> >
> >
> Plus the good folks at the USofA government, who as we all know
> are "here to help you" have started to tighten the emissions on
> diesels in the USofA and on the fuel itself, slowly moving the
> antiquated diesel system here to the cleaner variety more common
> in Europe.
>
> As for why a diesel, torque, torque, torque. Would love to see
> DC add a big diesel similar to the big VW one.
>
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Liberty diesel...when?
all because some soccer-mom thinks the toxins are heavier in the black
exhaust.
But you can always get the motor off dino-fuel, and burn biodiesel... your
jeep will smell like burning deepfryer grease, but it's a small price to
pay.
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Nuq4b.239913$It4.113406@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att .net...
> Approximately 8/30/03 22:28, Grumman-581 uttered for posterity:
>
> > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote ...
> >> Diesel??? Why would anyone with a choice want that rattling, clattering
> >> smoking low output engine anyway? Let me guess, you need it to tow
heavy
> >> trailers with liberty... right?
> >
> > From what I understand, the newer turbo diesels are a lot better...
Better
> > acceleration, horsepower, plus you get the low end torque for pulling a
> > trailer... When my I-6 finally goes out on my '95 XJ, I'm tempted to put
a
> > Detroit Diesel 4.0L engine in it... It'll still give me 180 or so
> > horsepower, but the torque should be great for towing a trailer... I
guess
> > it'll depend upon what the price of gasoline is at that point compared
to
> > diesel fuel... Diesels have been more popular in Europe than here in the
US
> > since there is more of a price difference in diesel fuel vs autogas...
> >
> >
> Plus the good folks at the USofA government, who as we all know
> are "here to help you" have started to tighten the emissions on
> diesels in the USofA and on the fuel itself, slowly moving the
> antiquated diesel system here to the cleaner variety more common
> in Europe.
>
> As for why a diesel, torque, torque, torque. Would love to see
> DC add a big diesel similar to the big VW one.
>
exhaust.
But you can always get the motor off dino-fuel, and burn biodiesel... your
jeep will smell like burning deepfryer grease, but it's a small price to
pay.
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Nuq4b.239913$It4.113406@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att .net...
> Approximately 8/30/03 22:28, Grumman-581 uttered for posterity:
>
> > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote ...
> >> Diesel??? Why would anyone with a choice want that rattling, clattering
> >> smoking low output engine anyway? Let me guess, you need it to tow
heavy
> >> trailers with liberty... right?
> >
> > From what I understand, the newer turbo diesels are a lot better...
Better
> > acceleration, horsepower, plus you get the low end torque for pulling a
> > trailer... When my I-6 finally goes out on my '95 XJ, I'm tempted to put
a
> > Detroit Diesel 4.0L engine in it... It'll still give me 180 or so
> > horsepower, but the torque should be great for towing a trailer... I
guess
> > it'll depend upon what the price of gasoline is at that point compared
to
> > diesel fuel... Diesels have been more popular in Europe than here in the
US
> > since there is more of a price difference in diesel fuel vs autogas...
> >
> >
> Plus the good folks at the USofA government, who as we all know
> are "here to help you" have started to tighten the emissions on
> diesels in the USofA and on the fuel itself, slowly moving the
> antiquated diesel system here to the cleaner variety more common
> in Europe.
>
> As for why a diesel, torque, torque, torque. Would love to see
> DC add a big diesel similar to the big VW one.
>
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Liberty diesel...when?
Dave Milne wrote:
> I think its a fair comparison - the ZJ and the Liberty also have
> aerodynamics of a brick, and even if you dont accept that, you can't get
> away from the fact that the 2.8 crd diesel is more powerful and has more
> torque than the 2.5.
>
> Besides, this is for a 4x4 - exactly when a torquey diesel and water
> resistance is useful.
How about the added weight associated with a true diesel? The Wrangler is
already getting rather porky at 3400 lbs, but with a diesel, it'll be a
lard ***.
> I think its a fair comparison - the ZJ and the Liberty also have
> aerodynamics of a brick, and even if you dont accept that, you can't get
> away from the fact that the 2.8 crd diesel is more powerful and has more
> torque than the 2.5.
>
> Besides, this is for a 4x4 - exactly when a torquey diesel and water
> resistance is useful.
How about the added weight associated with a true diesel? The Wrangler is
already getting rather porky at 3400 lbs, but with a diesel, it'll be a
lard ***.
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Liberty diesel...when?
Dave Milne wrote:
> I think its a fair comparison - the ZJ and the Liberty also have
> aerodynamics of a brick, and even if you dont accept that, you can't get
> away from the fact that the 2.8 crd diesel is more powerful and has more
> torque than the 2.5.
>
> Besides, this is for a 4x4 - exactly when a torquey diesel and water
> resistance is useful.
How about the added weight associated with a true diesel? The Wrangler is
already getting rather porky at 3400 lbs, but with a diesel, it'll be a
lard ***.
> I think its a fair comparison - the ZJ and the Liberty also have
> aerodynamics of a brick, and even if you dont accept that, you can't get
> away from the fact that the 2.8 crd diesel is more powerful and has more
> torque than the 2.5.
>
> Besides, this is for a 4x4 - exactly when a torquey diesel and water
> resistance is useful.
How about the added weight associated with a true diesel? The Wrangler is
already getting rather porky at 3400 lbs, but with a diesel, it'll be a
lard ***.
#30
Guest
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Re: Liberty diesel...when?
curt wrote:
> The maintenance on diesels is much better than a gasser too. Nothing but
> change oil. If you are lucky enough to own a Mercedes diesel you can
> drive
> them for 350 K ++ and do almost nothing to them. There are some driving
> around with over 1 million miles on them.
Yes, but when they do need work, it can get costly.
> The maintenance on diesels is much better than a gasser too. Nothing but
> change oil. If you are lucky enough to own a Mercedes diesel you can
> drive
> them for 350 K ++ and do almost nothing to them. There are some driving
> around with over 1 million miles on them.
Yes, but when they do need work, it can get costly.