Grumman-581

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote ...
> Then I'd put one in your plane if I thought like you.

There's some development going on these days to make a light weight reliable
diesel engine for aircraft... If my engine had not been recently overhauled,
I would be tempted to wait for one of them... The ability to run Jet-A or
diesel fuel is quite a fuel savings... Especially over in Europe where 100LL
is quite a bit more expensive that Jet-A... In some ways, a diesel is more
practical for an aircraft since it only has 3 speeds it really operates
at -- idle speed while on the ground, takeoff speed, and cruising speed...
Diesel fuel contains more energy per pound of fuel and weighs slightly more
per gallon... Combining this with a better fuel efficiency equates to longer
range...

curt

> Tell that to the TDI Jetta owners: 90 something horsepower, quarter mile
in
> 19+ secs. Some improvement! A 1.8 turbo Jetta will break the lights at
> about the 16 sec mark. Diesels are entirely too impractical for use in
> normal everyday cars.

What do you mean diesels are impractical? If it wasn't for the smog, I
would be driving one. I test drove the TDI Jetta and it is awesome. Plenty
fast and gets amazing mileage. I would have bought one for my daily, but I
can't live with the smog situation. It is just too much. I live in
Pittsburgh and really don't want to add to the situation here. I also email
Volkswagen to find out it there is anything I could do with the exhaust to
make it better. They told me no.

I had a Mercedes 190 td 2.5 years ago. It was plenty fast and got great
mileage. I think they are great for every day use if they didn't pollute so
much. Lets face it......they stink and pollute too much. As far as how the
US views diesels it is justified. Detroit put diesels in cars in the 70's
and they were converted gas motors. What a joke. They were garbage. The
Germans make great diesels.

Curt

curt

> Tell that to the TDI Jetta owners: 90 something horsepower, quarter mile
in
> 19+ secs. Some improvement! A 1.8 turbo Jetta will break the lights at
> about the 16 sec mark. Diesels are entirely too impractical for use in
> normal everyday cars.

What do you mean diesels are impractical? If it wasn't for the smog, I
would be driving one. I test drove the TDI Jetta and it is awesome. Plenty
fast and gets amazing mileage. I would have bought one for my daily, but I
can't live with the smog situation. It is just too much. I live in
Pittsburgh and really don't want to add to the situation here. I also email
Volkswagen to find out it there is anything I could do with the exhaust to
make it better. They told me no.

I had a Mercedes 190 td 2.5 years ago. It was plenty fast and got great
mileage. I think they are great for every day use if they didn't pollute so
much. Lets face it......they stink and pollute too much. As far as how the
US views diesels it is justified. Detroit put diesels in cars in the 70's
and they were converted gas motors. What a joke. They were garbage. The
Germans make great diesels.

Curt

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Sure that's why there's rush to put diesel engines in the air.
There's only one prototype that I can find and they haven't bothered to
put on wings.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> There's some development going on these days to make a light weight reliable
> diesel engine for aircraft... If my engine had not been recently overhauled,
> I would be tempted to wait for one of them... The ability to run Jet-A or
> diesel fuel is quite a fuel savings... Especially over in Europe where 100LL
> is quite a bit more expensive that Jet-A... In some ways, a diesel is more
> practical for an aircraft since it only has 3 speeds it really operates
> at -- idle speed while on the ground, takeoff speed, and cruising speed...
> Diesel fuel contains more energy per pound of fuel and weighs slightly more
> per gallon... Combining this with a better fuel efficiency equates to longer
> range...

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Sure that's why there's rush to put diesel engines in the air.
There's only one prototype that I can find and they haven't bothered to
put on wings.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> There's some development going on these days to make a light weight reliable
> diesel engine for aircraft... If my engine had not been recently overhauled,
> I would be tempted to wait for one of them... The ability to run Jet-A or
> diesel fuel is quite a fuel savings... Especially over in Europe where 100LL
> is quite a bit more expensive that Jet-A... In some ways, a diesel is more
> practical for an aircraft since it only has 3 speeds it really operates
> at -- idle speed while on the ground, takeoff speed, and cruising speed...
> Diesel fuel contains more energy per pound of fuel and weighs slightly more
> per gallon... Combining this with a better fuel efficiency equates to longer
> range...

Lon Stowell

Approximately 8/31/03 07:43, Big Daddy uttered for posterity:
>
> Motor Trend Magazine:
>
> 2002 Jetta TDI1.8 - 90 HP, 0-60 13.8 secs, 1/4 mile 19.4 secs
>
> Some power...

OK, how does *this* sound for "power" ?

Don't confuse the concept with the implementation. Or just go drive
a good Mercedes 300SD and report back.

Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI
4.9 liter twin turbodiesel V10 TDI
HorsePower: 308bhp
Torque: 550lb/ft at 2000rpm.
0-62mph: 7.8 seconds
Maximum speed: 140mph
Economy: 28.8mpg extra urban, 23.2mpg combined

Is being considered for USofA delivery.

Lon Stowell

Approximately 8/31/03 07:43, Big Daddy uttered for posterity:
>
> Motor Trend Magazine:
>
> 2002 Jetta TDI1.8 - 90 HP, 0-60 13.8 secs, 1/4 mile 19.4 secs
>
> Some power...

OK, how does *this* sound for "power" ?

Don't confuse the concept with the implementation. Or just go drive
a good Mercedes 300SD and report back.

Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI
4.9 liter twin turbodiesel V10 TDI
HorsePower: 308bhp
Torque: 550lb/ft at 2000rpm.
0-62mph: 7.8 seconds
Maximum speed: 140mph
Economy: 28.8mpg extra urban, 23.2mpg combined

Is being considered for USofA delivery.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I was so happy when that damn Mercedes across the street finally
went to the junk yard!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> OK, how does *this* sound for "power" ?
>
> Don't confuse the concept with the implementation. Or just go drive
> a good Mercedes 300SD and report back.
>
> Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI
> 4.9 liter twin turbodiesel V10 TDI
> HorsePower: 308bhp
> Torque: 550lb/ft at 2000rpm.
> 0-62mph: 7.8 seconds
> Maximum speed: 140mph
> Economy: 28.8mpg extra urban, 23.2mpg combined
>
> Is being considered for USofA delivery.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I was so happy when that damn Mercedes across the street finally
went to the junk yard!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> OK, how does *this* sound for "power" ?
>
> Don't confuse the concept with the implementation. Or just go drive
> a good Mercedes 300SD and report back.
>
> Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI
> 4.9 liter twin turbodiesel V10 TDI
> HorsePower: 308bhp
> Torque: 550lb/ft at 2000rpm.
> 0-62mph: 7.8 seconds
> Maximum speed: 140mph
> Economy: 28.8mpg extra urban, 23.2mpg combined
>
> Is being considered for USofA delivery.

Lon Stowell

Well, I don't think we should jail him for casual social use
on the weekends, but if he progresses to habitual use, or worse,
becomes a *petrol dealer*, I say we should string him up.

Approximately 8/31/03 10:43, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:

> One would do well to consider the source of this post. Mr. Milne is himself
> an admitted petrol user.
>
> http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:H0j4b.7868$Jm6.2303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> The Grand Cherokee already has a 3.1 td with 283 lb ft of torque at 1800
>> rpm, and 138 bhp at 3600 rpm giving it a top speed of 108 mph and an
>> acceleration from 0-60 mph in 13.5 seconds. The 2.8 common rail of the
>> Liberty has 148 bhp at 3,800 rpm and 266 lb ft of torque at 1,800-2,600
>> rpm, and a 0-62 time of 12.6 seconds.
>>

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