Lemon LAW?
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Re: Lemon LAW?
In article <bpljbl09fs@enews1.newsguy.com>, "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>This is precisely why I insisted we be proactrive in these matters, we
>simply didn't have enough customers to lose, or to endure negative word of
>mouth at the country clubs while we played "drag your feet"
If only all manufacturers would be so proactive. You'd expect Honda to do it,
but it would seem based on my experience they would rather drag it out than
admit they even made a lemon. I guess they have plenty of other customers.
During all this I ran a couple hours' worth of Web seaches and found that this
oil leak we experienced is not an uncommon defect in the Honda V-6's, this was
*after* the service manager told me he'd "never seen" this kind of problem
before (1qt every 200 miles). Found TSB's, references to the "block casting
porosity" on Honda newsgroups and BB's etc.
Friend of mine recently had an issue with a Ford Superduty with the new 6.0L
diesel, and they replaced the truck *twice;* the first replacement had the same
engine problem, so they replaced it again with the V10 gas engine. All without
having to threaten litigation, and all within 90 days. If Ford was willing to
do it, Honda should be as well....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
<gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>This is precisely why I insisted we be proactrive in these matters, we
>simply didn't have enough customers to lose, or to endure negative word of
>mouth at the country clubs while we played "drag your feet"
If only all manufacturers would be so proactive. You'd expect Honda to do it,
but it would seem based on my experience they would rather drag it out than
admit they even made a lemon. I guess they have plenty of other customers.
During all this I ran a couple hours' worth of Web seaches and found that this
oil leak we experienced is not an uncommon defect in the Honda V-6's, this was
*after* the service manager told me he'd "never seen" this kind of problem
before (1qt every 200 miles). Found TSB's, references to the "block casting
porosity" on Honda newsgroups and BB's etc.
Friend of mine recently had an issue with a Ford Superduty with the new 6.0L
diesel, and they replaced the truck *twice;* the first replacement had the same
engine problem, so they replaced it again with the V10 gas engine. All without
having to threaten litigation, and all within 90 days. If Ford was willing to
do it, Honda should be as well....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
#82
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Re: Lemon LAW?
In article <bpljbl09fs@enews1.newsguy.com>, "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>This is precisely why I insisted we be proactrive in these matters, we
>simply didn't have enough customers to lose, or to endure negative word of
>mouth at the country clubs while we played "drag your feet"
If only all manufacturers would be so proactive. You'd expect Honda to do it,
but it would seem based on my experience they would rather drag it out than
admit they even made a lemon. I guess they have plenty of other customers.
During all this I ran a couple hours' worth of Web seaches and found that this
oil leak we experienced is not an uncommon defect in the Honda V-6's, this was
*after* the service manager told me he'd "never seen" this kind of problem
before (1qt every 200 miles). Found TSB's, references to the "block casting
porosity" on Honda newsgroups and BB's etc.
Friend of mine recently had an issue with a Ford Superduty with the new 6.0L
diesel, and they replaced the truck *twice;* the first replacement had the same
engine problem, so they replaced it again with the V10 gas engine. All without
having to threaten litigation, and all within 90 days. If Ford was willing to
do it, Honda should be as well....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
<gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>This is precisely why I insisted we be proactrive in these matters, we
>simply didn't have enough customers to lose, or to endure negative word of
>mouth at the country clubs while we played "drag your feet"
If only all manufacturers would be so proactive. You'd expect Honda to do it,
but it would seem based on my experience they would rather drag it out than
admit they even made a lemon. I guess they have plenty of other customers.
During all this I ran a couple hours' worth of Web seaches and found that this
oil leak we experienced is not an uncommon defect in the Honda V-6's, this was
*after* the service manager told me he'd "never seen" this kind of problem
before (1qt every 200 miles). Found TSB's, references to the "block casting
porosity" on Honda newsgroups and BB's etc.
Friend of mine recently had an issue with a Ford Superduty with the new 6.0L
diesel, and they replaced the truck *twice;* the first replacement had the same
engine problem, so they replaced it again with the V10 gas engine. All without
having to threaten litigation, and all within 90 days. If Ford was willing to
do it, Honda should be as well....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Approximately 11/21/03 10:14, Jerry McG uttered for posterity:
[Good little manufacturers rep, scumbag lawyer tirades deleted]
Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
[Good little manufacturers rep, scumbag lawyer tirades deleted]
Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
#84
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Approximately 11/21/03 10:14, Jerry McG uttered for posterity:
[Good little manufacturers rep, scumbag lawyer tirades deleted]
Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
[Good little manufacturers rep, scumbag lawyer tirades deleted]
Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
#85
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Approximately 11/21/03 10:14, Jerry McG uttered for posterity:
[Good little manufacturers rep, scumbag lawyer tirades deleted]
Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
[Good little manufacturers rep, scumbag lawyer tirades deleted]
Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
#86
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Re: Lemon LAW?
> Odd, my lawyer charged me roughly $75 bucks and even paid for his phone
call himself. >
Oh, we see, a lawyer buddy made the call for you. In that case you should
have been able to get by with just buying the creep lunch!
> It sure is amazing how pure and noble and holy the manufacturers are <
They are, actually.
> and how bottom-feeding the lawyers are. <
They are, indeed. They haven't become the most detested of professionals for
no reason.
> I can only conclude that a lawyer must have run off with your wife, your
jeep, or your dog, and it was a totally willing abandonment.>
Nope, but I did have to spend nearly 15 years dealing with the weasels and
their abuse of the law on a daily basis. (I was however, quite smug, even
gleeful when I could get one of the bastards censured by the court.)
The great bandit Willie Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks said "'cause
that's where the money is." Lawyers prey on society because there's no money
actually defending the citizenry against evil. If you think the law is about
truth, then YOU can buy the bridge I have to sell. Where these dogs are
concerned, it's simply a "dash for the cash" and any set of lies they can
assemble suits them just fine. Spend a day in court with these people, it
will turn your stomach.
call himself. >
Oh, we see, a lawyer buddy made the call for you. In that case you should
have been able to get by with just buying the creep lunch!
> It sure is amazing how pure and noble and holy the manufacturers are <
They are, actually.
> and how bottom-feeding the lawyers are. <
They are, indeed. They haven't become the most detested of professionals for
no reason.
> I can only conclude that a lawyer must have run off with your wife, your
jeep, or your dog, and it was a totally willing abandonment.>
Nope, but I did have to spend nearly 15 years dealing with the weasels and
their abuse of the law on a daily basis. (I was however, quite smug, even
gleeful when I could get one of the bastards censured by the court.)
The great bandit Willie Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks said "'cause
that's where the money is." Lawyers prey on society because there's no money
actually defending the citizenry against evil. If you think the law is about
truth, then YOU can buy the bridge I have to sell. Where these dogs are
concerned, it's simply a "dash for the cash" and any set of lies they can
assemble suits them just fine. Spend a day in court with these people, it
will turn your stomach.
#87
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Re: Lemon LAW?
> Odd, my lawyer charged me roughly $75 bucks and even paid for his phone
call himself. >
Oh, we see, a lawyer buddy made the call for you. In that case you should
have been able to get by with just buying the creep lunch!
> It sure is amazing how pure and noble and holy the manufacturers are <
They are, actually.
> and how bottom-feeding the lawyers are. <
They are, indeed. They haven't become the most detested of professionals for
no reason.
> I can only conclude that a lawyer must have run off with your wife, your
jeep, or your dog, and it was a totally willing abandonment.>
Nope, but I did have to spend nearly 15 years dealing with the weasels and
their abuse of the law on a daily basis. (I was however, quite smug, even
gleeful when I could get one of the bastards censured by the court.)
The great bandit Willie Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks said "'cause
that's where the money is." Lawyers prey on society because there's no money
actually defending the citizenry against evil. If you think the law is about
truth, then YOU can buy the bridge I have to sell. Where these dogs are
concerned, it's simply a "dash for the cash" and any set of lies they can
assemble suits them just fine. Spend a day in court with these people, it
will turn your stomach.
call himself. >
Oh, we see, a lawyer buddy made the call for you. In that case you should
have been able to get by with just buying the creep lunch!
> It sure is amazing how pure and noble and holy the manufacturers are <
They are, actually.
> and how bottom-feeding the lawyers are. <
They are, indeed. They haven't become the most detested of professionals for
no reason.
> I can only conclude that a lawyer must have run off with your wife, your
jeep, or your dog, and it was a totally willing abandonment.>
Nope, but I did have to spend nearly 15 years dealing with the weasels and
their abuse of the law on a daily basis. (I was however, quite smug, even
gleeful when I could get one of the bastards censured by the court.)
The great bandit Willie Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks said "'cause
that's where the money is." Lawyers prey on society because there's no money
actually defending the citizenry against evil. If you think the law is about
truth, then YOU can buy the bridge I have to sell. Where these dogs are
concerned, it's simply a "dash for the cash" and any set of lies they can
assemble suits them just fine. Spend a day in court with these people, it
will turn your stomach.
#88
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Re: Lemon LAW?
> Odd, my lawyer charged me roughly $75 bucks and even paid for his phone
call himself. >
Oh, we see, a lawyer buddy made the call for you. In that case you should
have been able to get by with just buying the creep lunch!
> It sure is amazing how pure and noble and holy the manufacturers are <
They are, actually.
> and how bottom-feeding the lawyers are. <
They are, indeed. They haven't become the most detested of professionals for
no reason.
> I can only conclude that a lawyer must have run off with your wife, your
jeep, or your dog, and it was a totally willing abandonment.>
Nope, but I did have to spend nearly 15 years dealing with the weasels and
their abuse of the law on a daily basis. (I was however, quite smug, even
gleeful when I could get one of the bastards censured by the court.)
The great bandit Willie Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks said "'cause
that's where the money is." Lawyers prey on society because there's no money
actually defending the citizenry against evil. If you think the law is about
truth, then YOU can buy the bridge I have to sell. Where these dogs are
concerned, it's simply a "dash for the cash" and any set of lies they can
assemble suits them just fine. Spend a day in court with these people, it
will turn your stomach.
call himself. >
Oh, we see, a lawyer buddy made the call for you. In that case you should
have been able to get by with just buying the creep lunch!
> It sure is amazing how pure and noble and holy the manufacturers are <
They are, actually.
> and how bottom-feeding the lawyers are. <
They are, indeed. They haven't become the most detested of professionals for
no reason.
> I can only conclude that a lawyer must have run off with your wife, your
jeep, or your dog, and it was a totally willing abandonment.>
Nope, but I did have to spend nearly 15 years dealing with the weasels and
their abuse of the law on a daily basis. (I was however, quite smug, even
gleeful when I could get one of the bastards censured by the court.)
The great bandit Willie Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks said "'cause
that's where the money is." Lawyers prey on society because there's no money
actually defending the citizenry against evil. If you think the law is about
truth, then YOU can buy the bridge I have to sell. Where these dogs are
concerned, it's simply a "dash for the cash" and any set of lies they can
assemble suits them just fine. Spend a day in court with these people, it
will turn your stomach.
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Re: Lemon LAW?
How much? ;)
Lon Stowell wrote:
> Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
> of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
> previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
> it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
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Lon Stowell wrote:
> Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
> of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
> previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
> it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
--
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01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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Re: Lemon LAW?
How much? ;)
Lon Stowell wrote:
> Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
> of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
> previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
> it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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Lon Stowell wrote:
> Yeah, them lawyers are just all scum and you are the incarnation
> of Mother Theresa. I got some swampland you may be interested in,
> previous owner was the tooth fairy. Got a great bridge to access
> it as well, just relocated from New York City. Sheesh.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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