Lemon LAW?
#51
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Re: Lemon LAW?
In article <bpk7pu017o7@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
>don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
>costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
Your job at a high-end Euroluxury manufacturer notwithstanding, the fact
remains not all manufacturers will do this voluntarily, regardless of what the
law says.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
<gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
>don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
>costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
Your job at a high-end Euroluxury manufacturer notwithstanding, the fact
remains not all manufacturers will do this voluntarily, regardless of what the
law says.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
#52
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Re: Lemon LAW?
In article <bpk7pu017o7@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
>don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
>costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
Your job at a high-end Euroluxury manufacturer notwithstanding, the fact
remains not all manufacturers will do this voluntarily, regardless of what the
law says.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
<gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
>don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
>costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
Your job at a high-end Euroluxury manufacturer notwithstanding, the fact
remains not all manufacturers will do this voluntarily, regardless of what the
law says.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
#53
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Jerry McGeorge, car salesman, wrote:
>Oh, HORSE ----! Dealers are rarely involved in lemon law or consumer product
>lawsuits.
Jerry, your ignorance is showing. In most states, lemon laws apply to used car
as well as new car sales. In a used car lemon law claim the dealer is almost
always involved because of warranties provided by the dealer independent of the
new car warranty. The dealer also has an economic interest, both direct and
indirect, in the outcome of new car lemon law claims handled by the
manufacturer.
Your vitriolic insults suggest that you must have gone through a bad divorce or
spent some time in jail, and, rather than take responsibility for yourself, you
want to blame lawyers for the fact that you are an ***.
I must go now. I need to drive my Mercedes over to the country club for some
golf, and then cruise down to the harbor for a ride on the yacht.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
>Oh, HORSE ----! Dealers are rarely involved in lemon law or consumer product
>lawsuits.
Jerry, your ignorance is showing. In most states, lemon laws apply to used car
as well as new car sales. In a used car lemon law claim the dealer is almost
always involved because of warranties provided by the dealer independent of the
new car warranty. The dealer also has an economic interest, both direct and
indirect, in the outcome of new car lemon law claims handled by the
manufacturer.
Your vitriolic insults suggest that you must have gone through a bad divorce or
spent some time in jail, and, rather than take responsibility for yourself, you
want to blame lawyers for the fact that you are an ***.
I must go now. I need to drive my Mercedes over to the country club for some
golf, and then cruise down to the harbor for a ride on the yacht.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
#54
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Jerry McGeorge, car salesman, wrote:
>Oh, HORSE ----! Dealers are rarely involved in lemon law or consumer product
>lawsuits.
Jerry, your ignorance is showing. In most states, lemon laws apply to used car
as well as new car sales. In a used car lemon law claim the dealer is almost
always involved because of warranties provided by the dealer independent of the
new car warranty. The dealer also has an economic interest, both direct and
indirect, in the outcome of new car lemon law claims handled by the
manufacturer.
Your vitriolic insults suggest that you must have gone through a bad divorce or
spent some time in jail, and, rather than take responsibility for yourself, you
want to blame lawyers for the fact that you are an ***.
I must go now. I need to drive my Mercedes over to the country club for some
golf, and then cruise down to the harbor for a ride on the yacht.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
>Oh, HORSE ----! Dealers are rarely involved in lemon law or consumer product
>lawsuits.
Jerry, your ignorance is showing. In most states, lemon laws apply to used car
as well as new car sales. In a used car lemon law claim the dealer is almost
always involved because of warranties provided by the dealer independent of the
new car warranty. The dealer also has an economic interest, both direct and
indirect, in the outcome of new car lemon law claims handled by the
manufacturer.
Your vitriolic insults suggest that you must have gone through a bad divorce or
spent some time in jail, and, rather than take responsibility for yourself, you
want to blame lawyers for the fact that you are an ***.
I must go now. I need to drive my Mercedes over to the country club for some
golf, and then cruise down to the harbor for a ride on the yacht.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
#55
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Jerry McGeorge, car salesman, wrote:
>Oh, HORSE ----! Dealers are rarely involved in lemon law or consumer product
>lawsuits.
Jerry, your ignorance is showing. In most states, lemon laws apply to used car
as well as new car sales. In a used car lemon law claim the dealer is almost
always involved because of warranties provided by the dealer independent of the
new car warranty. The dealer also has an economic interest, both direct and
indirect, in the outcome of new car lemon law claims handled by the
manufacturer.
Your vitriolic insults suggest that you must have gone through a bad divorce or
spent some time in jail, and, rather than take responsibility for yourself, you
want to blame lawyers for the fact that you are an ***.
I must go now. I need to drive my Mercedes over to the country club for some
golf, and then cruise down to the harbor for a ride on the yacht.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
>Oh, HORSE ----! Dealers are rarely involved in lemon law or consumer product
>lawsuits.
Jerry, your ignorance is showing. In most states, lemon laws apply to used car
as well as new car sales. In a used car lemon law claim the dealer is almost
always involved because of warranties provided by the dealer independent of the
new car warranty. The dealer also has an economic interest, both direct and
indirect, in the outcome of new car lemon law claims handled by the
manufacturer.
Your vitriolic insults suggest that you must have gone through a bad divorce or
spent some time in jail, and, rather than take responsibility for yourself, you
want to blame lawyers for the fact that you are an ***.
I must go now. I need to drive my Mercedes over to the country club for some
golf, and then cruise down to the harbor for a ride on the yacht.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
#56
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Approximately 11/20/03 21:25, Jerry McG uttered for posterity:
> I don't and never did sell cars, I ran customer service operations for a
> Euro luxury mfr.
[snip]
> The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
> don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
> costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
And of course all dealers and manufacturers and their customer
service operations are always totally pure and free from scumsucking
bottom feeders on their side of the fence. Rigghhhhhhtttttt.
You'd have a lot more credibility if you weren't quite so disparaging
of lawyers while giving out the bad advice that a customer should not
contact one to find out exactly what the lemon laws in their state
can and cannot do. There are as many, if not more, scumsucking
dealers as there are lawyers. And there are good dealers and good
lawyers. A good lawyer will tell you for a very small fee how to
work *with* the dealer and manufacturer and exactly how to document
everything appropriate for the individual state lemon law. A good
lawyer will probably also suggest that bringing in lawyers formally
is not a good idea until everything else fails... BUT that lawyer
will have prepared the customer to be ready in case everything fails.
I would also have to question the integrity of any manufacturer who
automatically brings in their own lawyers and refuses to make good on
the rare bad vehicle just because they have been contacted by an
attorney. Not that a good lawyer on behalf of the customer would
even get directly involved except for advice on how to proceed
within the law until the dealer/manufacturer has already sucked
whalepoop off the bottom by refusing to make good on a defective
product.
I actually managed to help get the service manager for a major
European performance brand fired after contacting the Porsche
rep about truly bad service revolving around some of the stupidest
repair actions I had ever witnessed. And got in touch with the
Porsche folks from my lawyer's office, since he had better
contacts than just looking in the owner manual and the phone book.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
> I don't and never did sell cars, I ran customer service operations for a
> Euro luxury mfr.
[snip]
> The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
> don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
> costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
And of course all dealers and manufacturers and their customer
service operations are always totally pure and free from scumsucking
bottom feeders on their side of the fence. Rigghhhhhhtttttt.
You'd have a lot more credibility if you weren't quite so disparaging
of lawyers while giving out the bad advice that a customer should not
contact one to find out exactly what the lemon laws in their state
can and cannot do. There are as many, if not more, scumsucking
dealers as there are lawyers. And there are good dealers and good
lawyers. A good lawyer will tell you for a very small fee how to
work *with* the dealer and manufacturer and exactly how to document
everything appropriate for the individual state lemon law. A good
lawyer will probably also suggest that bringing in lawyers formally
is not a good idea until everything else fails... BUT that lawyer
will have prepared the customer to be ready in case everything fails.
I would also have to question the integrity of any manufacturer who
automatically brings in their own lawyers and refuses to make good on
the rare bad vehicle just because they have been contacted by an
attorney. Not that a good lawyer on behalf of the customer would
even get directly involved except for advice on how to proceed
within the law until the dealer/manufacturer has already sucked
whalepoop off the bottom by refusing to make good on a defective
product.
I actually managed to help get the service manager for a major
European performance brand fired after contacting the Porsche
rep about truly bad service revolving around some of the stupidest
repair actions I had ever witnessed. And got in touch with the
Porsche folks from my lawyer's office, since he had better
contacts than just looking in the owner manual and the phone book.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
#57
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Approximately 11/20/03 21:25, Jerry McG uttered for posterity:
> I don't and never did sell cars, I ran customer service operations for a
> Euro luxury mfr.
[snip]
> The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
> don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
> costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
And of course all dealers and manufacturers and their customer
service operations are always totally pure and free from scumsucking
bottom feeders on their side of the fence. Rigghhhhhhtttttt.
You'd have a lot more credibility if you weren't quite so disparaging
of lawyers while giving out the bad advice that a customer should not
contact one to find out exactly what the lemon laws in their state
can and cannot do. There are as many, if not more, scumsucking
dealers as there are lawyers. And there are good dealers and good
lawyers. A good lawyer will tell you for a very small fee how to
work *with* the dealer and manufacturer and exactly how to document
everything appropriate for the individual state lemon law. A good
lawyer will probably also suggest that bringing in lawyers formally
is not a good idea until everything else fails... BUT that lawyer
will have prepared the customer to be ready in case everything fails.
I would also have to question the integrity of any manufacturer who
automatically brings in their own lawyers and refuses to make good on
the rare bad vehicle just because they have been contacted by an
attorney. Not that a good lawyer on behalf of the customer would
even get directly involved except for advice on how to proceed
within the law until the dealer/manufacturer has already sucked
whalepoop off the bottom by refusing to make good on a defective
product.
I actually managed to help get the service manager for a major
European performance brand fired after contacting the Porsche
rep about truly bad service revolving around some of the stupidest
repair actions I had ever witnessed. And got in touch with the
Porsche folks from my lawyer's office, since he had better
contacts than just looking in the owner manual and the phone book.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
> I don't and never did sell cars, I ran customer service operations for a
> Euro luxury mfr.
[snip]
> The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
> don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
> costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
And of course all dealers and manufacturers and their customer
service operations are always totally pure and free from scumsucking
bottom feeders on their side of the fence. Rigghhhhhhtttttt.
You'd have a lot more credibility if you weren't quite so disparaging
of lawyers while giving out the bad advice that a customer should not
contact one to find out exactly what the lemon laws in their state
can and cannot do. There are as many, if not more, scumsucking
dealers as there are lawyers. And there are good dealers and good
lawyers. A good lawyer will tell you for a very small fee how to
work *with* the dealer and manufacturer and exactly how to document
everything appropriate for the individual state lemon law. A good
lawyer will probably also suggest that bringing in lawyers formally
is not a good idea until everything else fails... BUT that lawyer
will have prepared the customer to be ready in case everything fails.
I would also have to question the integrity of any manufacturer who
automatically brings in their own lawyers and refuses to make good on
the rare bad vehicle just because they have been contacted by an
attorney. Not that a good lawyer on behalf of the customer would
even get directly involved except for advice on how to proceed
within the law until the dealer/manufacturer has already sucked
whalepoop off the bottom by refusing to make good on a defective
product.
I actually managed to help get the service manager for a major
European performance brand fired after contacting the Porsche
rep about truly bad service revolving around some of the stupidest
repair actions I had ever witnessed. And got in touch with the
Porsche folks from my lawyer's office, since he had better
contacts than just looking in the owner manual and the phone book.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
#58
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Approximately 11/20/03 21:25, Jerry McG uttered for posterity:
> I don't and never did sell cars, I ran customer service operations for a
> Euro luxury mfr.
[snip]
> The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
> don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
> costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
And of course all dealers and manufacturers and their customer
service operations are always totally pure and free from scumsucking
bottom feeders on their side of the fence. Rigghhhhhhtttttt.
You'd have a lot more credibility if you weren't quite so disparaging
of lawyers while giving out the bad advice that a customer should not
contact one to find out exactly what the lemon laws in their state
can and cannot do. There are as many, if not more, scumsucking
dealers as there are lawyers. And there are good dealers and good
lawyers. A good lawyer will tell you for a very small fee how to
work *with* the dealer and manufacturer and exactly how to document
everything appropriate for the individual state lemon law. A good
lawyer will probably also suggest that bringing in lawyers formally
is not a good idea until everything else fails... BUT that lawyer
will have prepared the customer to be ready in case everything fails.
I would also have to question the integrity of any manufacturer who
automatically brings in their own lawyers and refuses to make good on
the rare bad vehicle just because they have been contacted by an
attorney. Not that a good lawyer on behalf of the customer would
even get directly involved except for advice on how to proceed
within the law until the dealer/manufacturer has already sucked
whalepoop off the bottom by refusing to make good on a defective
product.
I actually managed to help get the service manager for a major
European performance brand fired after contacting the Porsche
rep about truly bad service revolving around some of the stupidest
repair actions I had ever witnessed. And got in touch with the
Porsche folks from my lawyer's office, since he had better
contacts than just looking in the owner manual and the phone book.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
> I don't and never did sell cars, I ran customer service operations for a
> Euro luxury mfr.
[snip]
> The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
> don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
> costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
And of course all dealers and manufacturers and their customer
service operations are always totally pure and free from scumsucking
bottom feeders on their side of the fence. Rigghhhhhhtttttt.
You'd have a lot more credibility if you weren't quite so disparaging
of lawyers while giving out the bad advice that a customer should not
contact one to find out exactly what the lemon laws in their state
can and cannot do. There are as many, if not more, scumsucking
dealers as there are lawyers. And there are good dealers and good
lawyers. A good lawyer will tell you for a very small fee how to
work *with* the dealer and manufacturer and exactly how to document
everything appropriate for the individual state lemon law. A good
lawyer will probably also suggest that bringing in lawyers formally
is not a good idea until everything else fails... BUT that lawyer
will have prepared the customer to be ready in case everything fails.
I would also have to question the integrity of any manufacturer who
automatically brings in their own lawyers and refuses to make good on
the rare bad vehicle just because they have been contacted by an
attorney. Not that a good lawyer on behalf of the customer would
even get directly involved except for advice on how to proceed
within the law until the dealer/manufacturer has already sucked
whalepoop off the bottom by refusing to make good on a defective
product.
I actually managed to help get the service manager for a major
European performance brand fired after contacting the Porsche
rep about truly bad service revolving around some of the stupidest
repair actions I had ever witnessed. And got in touch with the
Porsche folks from my lawyer's office, since he had better
contacts than just looking in the owner manual and the phone book.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
#59
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Approximately 11/21/03 06:52, Matt Macchiarolo uttered for posterity:
> In article <bpk7pu017o7@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Jerry McG"
> <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>
>>The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
>>don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
>>costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
>
> Your job at a high-end Euroluxury manufacturer notwithstanding, the fact
> remains not all manufacturers will do this voluntarily, regardless of what the
> law says.
And the worst representatives of those same manufacturers are the
ones who characterize the major weapon available to the customer as
scum.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
> In article <bpk7pu017o7@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Jerry McG"
> <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>
>>The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
>>don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
>>costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
>
> Your job at a high-end Euroluxury manufacturer notwithstanding, the fact
> remains not all manufacturers will do this voluntarily, regardless of what the
> law says.
And the worst representatives of those same manufacturers are the
ones who characterize the major weapon available to the customer as
scum.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
#60
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Re: Lemon LAW?
Approximately 11/21/03 06:52, Matt Macchiarolo uttered for posterity:
> In article <bpk7pu017o7@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Jerry McG"
> <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>
>>The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
>>don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
>>costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
>
> Your job at a high-end Euroluxury manufacturer notwithstanding, the fact
> remains not all manufacturers will do this voluntarily, regardless of what the
> law says.
And the worst representatives of those same manufacturers are the
ones who characterize the major weapon available to the customer as
scum.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
> In article <bpk7pu017o7@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Jerry McG"
> <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> writes:
>
>>The laws are fine, it's the bottom-feeder lawyers who prey on consumers, who
>>don't need their services and end up caost ALL of us millions in unnecessary
>>costs, just so they can keep their greens fees paid.
>
> Your job at a high-end Euroluxury manufacturer notwithstanding, the fact
> remains not all manufacturers will do this voluntarily, regardless of what the
> law says.
And the worst representatives of those same manufacturers are the
ones who characterize the major weapon available to the customer as
scum.
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.