Lemon LAW?
11-20-2003, 08:42 PM
#31
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Re: Lemon LAW?
"JOE" <joe837@hello.net> wrote in message
> Anyone here ever have to deal with this law when the dealer can't find the
> answer to a problem with my '02 Cherokee?I do have a file case number and
> they will look at the Jeep Monday and make a decision on what to do.If they
> decide to replace the vehicle will I have to pay anything?Please give your
> input.
"Lemon laws" are state laws, so the rules will vary from state to
state. You will probably need an attorney, and you will probably find
several that specifically mention "lemon law" in their yellow page
ads.
> Anyone here ever have to deal with this law when the dealer can't find the
> answer to a problem with my '02 Cherokee?I do have a file case number and
> they will look at the Jeep Monday and make a decision on what to do.If they
> decide to replace the vehicle will I have to pay anything?Please give your
> input.
"Lemon laws" are state laws, so the rules will vary from state to
state. You will probably need an attorney, and you will probably find
several that specifically mention "lemon law" in their yellow page
ads.
11-20-2003, 09:27 PM
#32
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Re: Lemon LAW?
> I would agree but we were left with no choice. Had Honda chosen to resolve
the issue in accordance with the LL, we would all be happy Fortunately we
can still drive the car, at least to work and back, I've just been watching
the oil level. It would be worse if the car was immobile. We don't dare
take it on a long trip (one of the reasons we got it) lest it break down far
from home. >
One thing for sure, keep driving it, and keep complaining about the issue.
They have to comply but the burden of proof's on you, you must have copies
of the ro's and any documentation you gave the dealer describing the
problem (letter, note to service advisor, etc.)
Look, don;t get me wrong, if all else fails find an atty and sue them, but
be sure you can prove what's going on. I'm kind of surprised at this, becaus
eHonda's rep is that they're very customer oriented....maybe times have
changed since I kicked back!
> Thanks for the insight!
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
the issue in accordance with the LL, we would all be happy Fortunately we
can still drive the car, at least to work and back, I've just been watching
the oil level. It would be worse if the car was immobile. We don't dare
take it on a long trip (one of the reasons we got it) lest it break down far
from home. >
One thing for sure, keep driving it, and keep complaining about the issue.
They have to comply but the burden of proof's on you, you must have copies
of the ro's and any documentation you gave the dealer describing the
problem (letter, note to service advisor, etc.)
Look, don;t get me wrong, if all else fails find an atty and sue them, but
be sure you can prove what's going on. I'm kind of surprised at this, becaus
eHonda's rep is that they're very customer oriented....maybe times have
changed since I kicked back!
> Thanks for the insight!
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
11-20-2003, 09:27 PM
#33
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Re: Lemon LAW?
> I would agree but we were left with no choice. Had Honda chosen to resolve
the issue in accordance with the LL, we would all be happy Fortunately we
can still drive the car, at least to work and back, I've just been watching
the oil level. It would be worse if the car was immobile. We don't dare
take it on a long trip (one of the reasons we got it) lest it break down far
from home. >
One thing for sure, keep driving it, and keep complaining about the issue.
They have to comply but the burden of proof's on you, you must have copies
of the ro's and any documentation you gave the dealer describing the
problem (letter, note to service advisor, etc.)
Look, don;t get me wrong, if all else fails find an atty and sue them, but
be sure you can prove what's going on. I'm kind of surprised at this, becaus
eHonda's rep is that they're very customer oriented....maybe times have
changed since I kicked back!
> Thanks for the insight!
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
the issue in accordance with the LL, we would all be happy Fortunately we
can still drive the car, at least to work and back, I've just been watching
the oil level. It would be worse if the car was immobile. We don't dare
take it on a long trip (one of the reasons we got it) lest it break down far
from home. >
One thing for sure, keep driving it, and keep complaining about the issue.
They have to comply but the burden of proof's on you, you must have copies
of the ro's and any documentation you gave the dealer describing the
problem (letter, note to service advisor, etc.)
Look, don;t get me wrong, if all else fails find an atty and sue them, but
be sure you can prove what's going on. I'm kind of surprised at this, becaus
eHonda's rep is that they're very customer oriented....maybe times have
changed since I kicked back!
> Thanks for the insight!
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
11-20-2003, 09:27 PM
#34
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Re: Lemon LAW?
> I would agree but we were left with no choice. Had Honda chosen to resolve
the issue in accordance with the LL, we would all be happy Fortunately we
can still drive the car, at least to work and back, I've just been watching
the oil level. It would be worse if the car was immobile. We don't dare
take it on a long trip (one of the reasons we got it) lest it break down far
from home. >
One thing for sure, keep driving it, and keep complaining about the issue.
They have to comply but the burden of proof's on you, you must have copies
of the ro's and any documentation you gave the dealer describing the
problem (letter, note to service advisor, etc.)
Look, don;t get me wrong, if all else fails find an atty and sue them, but
be sure you can prove what's going on. I'm kind of surprised at this, becaus
eHonda's rep is that they're very customer oriented....maybe times have
changed since I kicked back!
> Thanks for the insight!
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
the issue in accordance with the LL, we would all be happy Fortunately we
can still drive the car, at least to work and back, I've just been watching
the oil level. It would be worse if the car was immobile. We don't dare
take it on a long trip (one of the reasons we got it) lest it break down far
from home. >
One thing for sure, keep driving it, and keep complaining about the issue.
They have to comply but the burden of proof's on you, you must have copies
of the ro's and any documentation you gave the dealer describing the
problem (letter, note to service advisor, etc.)
Look, don;t get me wrong, if all else fails find an atty and sue them, but
be sure you can prove what's going on. I'm kind of surprised at this, becaus
eHonda's rep is that they're very customer oriented....maybe times have
changed since I kicked back!
> Thanks for the insight!
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
11-20-2003, 11:25 PM
#35
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Re: Lemon LAW?
>>"Jerry McGeorge" writes:
>>There's nothing more aggravating than a car that can't be fixed, but [add] a
>>scum-sucking lemon law attorney to the mix and you have a prescription for
>>true nightmares.
A freakin' car salesman complaining about lawyers who protect consumers from
recalcitrant car dealers.
Jerry, did you ever stop to consider that if every car dealer and manufacturer
did the right thing on a lemon law claim, there would be no need for lemon laws
or lemon law lawyers?
I don't represent lemon law claimants, but I do defend car dealers in lemon law
lawsuits. Seldom are these lawsuits totally frivolous. Most of the
plaintiff's lawyers I have encountered in these cases are competent and
ethical, and much more qualified to advocate their client's cases than their
clients could on their own.
I think it is good advice to consult with a lawyer at the inception of a lemon
law claim. Consider it a tutoring session to better equip the consumer to
negotiate a fair settlement. Also, not every consumer is adept at negotiation,
and many get so emotionally involved with their claim that they become
ineffective. These people will benefit greatly from the services of a good
attorney.
And if you call lawyers "scum-suckers" again, I'm going to find out where you
live and come kick your ***. ;-)~
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
>>There's nothing more aggravating than a car that can't be fixed, but [add] a
>>scum-sucking lemon law attorney to the mix and you have a prescription for
>>true nightmares.
A freakin' car salesman complaining about lawyers who protect consumers from
recalcitrant car dealers.
Jerry, did you ever stop to consider that if every car dealer and manufacturer
did the right thing on a lemon law claim, there would be no need for lemon laws
or lemon law lawyers?
I don't represent lemon law claimants, but I do defend car dealers in lemon law
lawsuits. Seldom are these lawsuits totally frivolous. Most of the
plaintiff's lawyers I have encountered in these cases are competent and
ethical, and much more qualified to advocate their client's cases than their
clients could on their own.
I think it is good advice to consult with a lawyer at the inception of a lemon
law claim. Consider it a tutoring session to better equip the consumer to
negotiate a fair settlement. Also, not every consumer is adept at negotiation,
and many get so emotionally involved with their claim that they become
ineffective. These people will benefit greatly from the services of a good
attorney.
And if you call lawyers "scum-suckers" again, I'm going to find out where you
live and come kick your ***. ;-)~
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
11-20-2003, 11:25 PM
#36
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Re: Lemon LAW?
>>"Jerry McGeorge" writes:
>>There's nothing more aggravating than a car that can't be fixed, but [add] a
>>scum-sucking lemon law attorney to the mix and you have a prescription for
>>true nightmares.
A freakin' car salesman complaining about lawyers who protect consumers from
recalcitrant car dealers.
Jerry, did you ever stop to consider that if every car dealer and manufacturer
did the right thing on a lemon law claim, there would be no need for lemon laws
or lemon law lawyers?
I don't represent lemon law claimants, but I do defend car dealers in lemon law
lawsuits. Seldom are these lawsuits totally frivolous. Most of the
plaintiff's lawyers I have encountered in these cases are competent and
ethical, and much more qualified to advocate their client's cases than their
clients could on their own.
I think it is good advice to consult with a lawyer at the inception of a lemon
law claim. Consider it a tutoring session to better equip the consumer to
negotiate a fair settlement. Also, not every consumer is adept at negotiation,
and many get so emotionally involved with their claim that they become
ineffective. These people will benefit greatly from the services of a good
attorney.
And if you call lawyers "scum-suckers" again, I'm going to find out where you
live and come kick your ***. ;-)~
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
>>There's nothing more aggravating than a car that can't be fixed, but [add] a
>>scum-sucking lemon law attorney to the mix and you have a prescription for
>>true nightmares.
A freakin' car salesman complaining about lawyers who protect consumers from
recalcitrant car dealers.
Jerry, did you ever stop to consider that if every car dealer and manufacturer
did the right thing on a lemon law claim, there would be no need for lemon laws
or lemon law lawyers?
I don't represent lemon law claimants, but I do defend car dealers in lemon law
lawsuits. Seldom are these lawsuits totally frivolous. Most of the
plaintiff's lawyers I have encountered in these cases are competent and
ethical, and much more qualified to advocate their client's cases than their
clients could on their own.
I think it is good advice to consult with a lawyer at the inception of a lemon
law claim. Consider it a tutoring session to better equip the consumer to
negotiate a fair settlement. Also, not every consumer is adept at negotiation,
and many get so emotionally involved with their claim that they become
ineffective. These people will benefit greatly from the services of a good
attorney.
And if you call lawyers "scum-suckers" again, I'm going to find out where you
live and come kick your ***. ;-)~
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
11-20-2003, 11:25 PM
#37
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Re: Lemon LAW?
>>"Jerry McGeorge" writes:
>>There's nothing more aggravating than a car that can't be fixed, but [add] a
>>scum-sucking lemon law attorney to the mix and you have a prescription for
>>true nightmares.
A freakin' car salesman complaining about lawyers who protect consumers from
recalcitrant car dealers.
Jerry, did you ever stop to consider that if every car dealer and manufacturer
did the right thing on a lemon law claim, there would be no need for lemon laws
or lemon law lawyers?
I don't represent lemon law claimants, but I do defend car dealers in lemon law
lawsuits. Seldom are these lawsuits totally frivolous. Most of the
plaintiff's lawyers I have encountered in these cases are competent and
ethical, and much more qualified to advocate their client's cases than their
clients could on their own.
I think it is good advice to consult with a lawyer at the inception of a lemon
law claim. Consider it a tutoring session to better equip the consumer to
negotiate a fair settlement. Also, not every consumer is adept at negotiation,
and many get so emotionally involved with their claim that they become
ineffective. These people will benefit greatly from the services of a good
attorney.
And if you call lawyers "scum-suckers" again, I'm going to find out where you
live and come kick your ***. ;-)~
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
>>There's nothing more aggravating than a car that can't be fixed, but [add] a
>>scum-sucking lemon law attorney to the mix and you have a prescription for
>>true nightmares.
A freakin' car salesman complaining about lawyers who protect consumers from
recalcitrant car dealers.
Jerry, did you ever stop to consider that if every car dealer and manufacturer
did the right thing on a lemon law claim, there would be no need for lemon laws
or lemon law lawyers?
I don't represent lemon law claimants, but I do defend car dealers in lemon law
lawsuits. Seldom are these lawsuits totally frivolous. Most of the
plaintiff's lawyers I have encountered in these cases are competent and
ethical, and much more qualified to advocate their client's cases than their
clients could on their own.
I think it is good advice to consult with a lawyer at the inception of a lemon
law claim. Consider it a tutoring session to better equip the consumer to
negotiate a fair settlement. Also, not every consumer is adept at negotiation,
and many get so emotionally involved with their claim that they become
ineffective. These people will benefit greatly from the services of a good
attorney.
And if you call lawyers "scum-suckers" again, I'm going to find out where you
live and come kick your ***. ;-)~
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
11-21-2003, 12:23 AM
#38
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Re: Lemon LAW?
I have experience in Texas. MFR offered a MSRP to MSRP swap as settlement. I
took it, and got a new vehicle...not as nice as the lemon, but 2 years newer
and got 0% finance as opposed to the 7+% on the first.
"JOE" <joe837@hello.net> wrote in message
news:bpj11j$1iikvg$1@ID-130119.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Anyone here ever have to deal with this law when the dealer can't find the
> answer to a problem with my '02 Cherokee?I do have a file case number and
> they will look at the Jeep Monday and make a decision on what to do.If
they
> decide to replace the vehicle will I have to pay anything?Please give your
> input.
>
>
took it, and got a new vehicle...not as nice as the lemon, but 2 years newer
and got 0% finance as opposed to the 7+% on the first.
"JOE" <joe837@hello.net> wrote in message
news:bpj11j$1iikvg$1@ID-130119.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Anyone here ever have to deal with this law when the dealer can't find the
> answer to a problem with my '02 Cherokee?I do have a file case number and
> they will look at the Jeep Monday and make a decision on what to do.If
they
> decide to replace the vehicle will I have to pay anything?Please give your
> input.
>
>
11-21-2003, 12:23 AM
#39
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Re: Lemon LAW?
I have experience in Texas. MFR offered a MSRP to MSRP swap as settlement. I
took it, and got a new vehicle...not as nice as the lemon, but 2 years newer
and got 0% finance as opposed to the 7+% on the first.
"JOE" <joe837@hello.net> wrote in message
news:bpj11j$1iikvg$1@ID-130119.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Anyone here ever have to deal with this law when the dealer can't find the
> answer to a problem with my '02 Cherokee?I do have a file case number and
> they will look at the Jeep Monday and make a decision on what to do.If
they
> decide to replace the vehicle will I have to pay anything?Please give your
> input.
>
>
took it, and got a new vehicle...not as nice as the lemon, but 2 years newer
and got 0% finance as opposed to the 7+% on the first.
"JOE" <joe837@hello.net> wrote in message
news:bpj11j$1iikvg$1@ID-130119.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Anyone here ever have to deal with this law when the dealer can't find the
> answer to a problem with my '02 Cherokee?I do have a file case number and
> they will look at the Jeep Monday and make a decision on what to do.If
they
> decide to replace the vehicle will I have to pay anything?Please give your
> input.
>
>
11-21-2003, 12:23 AM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Lemon LAW?
I have experience in Texas. MFR offered a MSRP to MSRP swap as settlement. I
took it, and got a new vehicle...not as nice as the lemon, but 2 years newer
and got 0% finance as opposed to the 7+% on the first.
"JOE" <joe837@hello.net> wrote in message
news:bpj11j$1iikvg$1@ID-130119.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Anyone here ever have to deal with this law when the dealer can't find the
> answer to a problem with my '02 Cherokee?I do have a file case number and
> they will look at the Jeep Monday and make a decision on what to do.If
they
> decide to replace the vehicle will I have to pay anything?Please give your
> input.
>
>
took it, and got a new vehicle...not as nice as the lemon, but 2 years newer
and got 0% finance as opposed to the 7+% on the first.
"JOE" <joe837@hello.net> wrote in message
news:bpj11j$1iikvg$1@ID-130119.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Anyone here ever have to deal with this law when the dealer can't find the
> answer to a problem with my '02 Cherokee?I do have a file case number and
> they will look at the Jeep Monday and make a decision on what to do.If
they
> decide to replace the vehicle will I have to pay anything?Please give your
> input.
>
>