Nathan Collier

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
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> I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi.

argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in.

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Nathan Collier

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
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> I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi.

argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

twaldron

Yep, being upside down will bring the new note up a bit. ;)

Nathan Collier wrote:

> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om...
>
>>I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi.
>
>
> argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in.
>

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tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Yep, being upside down will bring the new note up a bit. ;)

Nathan Collier wrote:

> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om...
>
>>I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi.
>
>
> argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in.
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Yep, being upside down will bring the new note up a bit. ;)

Nathan Collier wrote:

> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om...
>
>>I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi.
>
>
> argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in.
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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DragonRider

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:17 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote:

>I looked at used Rubicons...
>
>According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft
>deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest.
>Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5%
>translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or
>so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300.

Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most
manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds
is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers
can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not
sure about Chrysler's programs.

DragonRider

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:17 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote:

>I looked at used Rubicons...
>
>According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft
>deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest.
>Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5%
>translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or
>so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300.

Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most
manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds
is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers
can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not
sure about Chrysler's programs.

DragonRider

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:17 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote:

>I looked at used Rubicons...
>
>According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft
>deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest.
>Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5%
>translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or
>so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300.

Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most
manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds
is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers
can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not
sure about Chrysler's programs.

DragonRider

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:41:59 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic
>tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried
>selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to
>just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just
>dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20%
>maybe, but not 33%.

On most vehicles after 9/11 that's pretty much in the ballpark. Why?
0% programs! The same ones you love to get are the ones that are
destroying your used car market values. Reason: Payments! You can't
get a 0% interest rate on a used car. The best rates out there are
3.5% (if you are the top-tier in credit you may get this) and the
average on a 1 year old used car is around 5.5-6.5%. That means that
a person would have to be sure that buying a new car wasn't cheaper
than buying a used car. Frequently it is!

To sell a used vehicle you must make sure that the price of that used
vehicle is typically less than that of a new vehicle. It must be low
enough that the average used car payment is far enough less than a new
car payment to warrant consideration. If you save up to $4,500-6,500
on interest alone (not hard to do with average interest rates on a
$25,000 vehicle) then you have to take that off of the lowest price
for that kind of vehicle. From there, you have to discount it further
since taking that $4,500-6,500 would only have you match the payments
on a new one. Then you take into consideration that the vehicle is
used, pre-titled, etc. That means it's worth less than a comparable
new vehicle. To wit, yes, the values can easily drop 33% in the first
year.

If you REALLY want a tax write-off try most any of the current Ford
'fleeters'. Focus, Taurus, Explorer (god help those who are nuts
enough to buy a 2-door Explorer Sport) and the Sport Trac. Those
things can lose as much as 65% as soon as you sign on the title and
drive off the lot. For instance, MSRP on a Taurus SES? $26k. Drive
off the lot and you are in an $8,500-9k car. Tops. The fleets made
damned sure of that.

Oh, and god help those in old-body style Blazers after the new
trailblazer came out. They are generally buried in them around $7,500
or more.

DragonRider

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:41:59 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic
>tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried
>selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to
>just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just
>dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20%
>maybe, but not 33%.

On most vehicles after 9/11 that's pretty much in the ballpark. Why?
0% programs! The same ones you love to get are the ones that are
destroying your used car market values. Reason: Payments! You can't
get a 0% interest rate on a used car. The best rates out there are
3.5% (if you are the top-tier in credit you may get this) and the
average on a 1 year old used car is around 5.5-6.5%. That means that
a person would have to be sure that buying a new car wasn't cheaper
than buying a used car. Frequently it is!

To sell a used vehicle you must make sure that the price of that used
vehicle is typically less than that of a new vehicle. It must be low
enough that the average used car payment is far enough less than a new
car payment to warrant consideration. If you save up to $4,500-6,500
on interest alone (not hard to do with average interest rates on a
$25,000 vehicle) then you have to take that off of the lowest price
for that kind of vehicle. From there, you have to discount it further
since taking that $4,500-6,500 would only have you match the payments
on a new one. Then you take into consideration that the vehicle is
used, pre-titled, etc. That means it's worth less than a comparable
new vehicle. To wit, yes, the values can easily drop 33% in the first
year.

If you REALLY want a tax write-off try most any of the current Ford
'fleeters'. Focus, Taurus, Explorer (god help those who are nuts
enough to buy a 2-door Explorer Sport) and the Sport Trac. Those
things can lose as much as 65% as soon as you sign on the title and
drive off the lot. For instance, MSRP on a Taurus SES? $26k. Drive
off the lot and you are in an $8,500-9k car. Tops. The fleets made
damned sure of that.

Oh, and god help those in old-body style Blazers after the new
trailblazer came out. They are generally buried in them around $7,500
or more.