David C. Moller

Overkill IMO.... to "take on the trail every once in a while" you're
paying for a lot more vehicle than it sounds like you need. That being
said, if you can afford the Rubicon and it's what you really want, by
all means go for it. :)

Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:22:22 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote:

>I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a
>third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and
>to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a
>slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am
>finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value
>pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I
>am leaning towards the new Rubicon.
>
>Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>
>Thanks.
>
>

David C. Moller

Overkill IMO.... to "take on the trail every once in a while" you're
paying for a lot more vehicle than it sounds like you need. That being
said, if you can afford the Rubicon and it's what you really want, by
all means go for it. :)

Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:22:22 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote:

>I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a
>third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and
>to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a
>slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am
>finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value
>pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I
>am leaning towards the new Rubicon.
>
>Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>
>Thanks.
>
>

David C. Moller

Overkill IMO.... to "take on the trail every once in a while" you're
paying for a lot more vehicle than it sounds like you need. That being
said, if you can afford the Rubicon and it's what you really want, by
all means go for it. :)

Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:22:22 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote:

>I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a
>third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and
>to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a
>slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am
>finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value
>pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I
>am leaning towards the new Rubicon.
>
>Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>
>Thanks.
>
>

JimG

I agree with David... for your described usage, the Rubi is more than you
need. If you won't ever need the lockers and 4 to 1 low range, then maybe a
dressed out Sahara or Sport would be better suited. But if a loaded Rubi is
in your budget, then why not have it all!

--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R

"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a
> third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer
and
> to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a
> slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am
> finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value
> pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I
> am leaning towards the new Rubicon.
>
> Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>

JimG

I agree with David... for your described usage, the Rubi is more than you
need. If you won't ever need the lockers and 4 to 1 low range, then maybe a
dressed out Sahara or Sport would be better suited. But if a loaded Rubi is
in your budget, then why not have it all!

--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R

"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a
> third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer
and
> to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a
> slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am
> finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value
> pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I
> am leaning towards the new Rubicon.
>
> Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>

JimG

I agree with David... for your described usage, the Rubi is more than you
need. If you won't ever need the lockers and 4 to 1 low range, then maybe a
dressed out Sahara or Sport would be better suited. But if a loaded Rubi is
in your budget, then why not have it all!

--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R

"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a
> third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer
and
> to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a
> slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am
> finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value
> pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I
> am leaning towards the new Rubicon.
>
> Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>

twaldron

I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. Dual tops, auto,
subwoofer, etc. etc. Mainly missing cruise control and an ashtray, I
think. At any rate, it was $100 over invoice. If you kill some of the
options like HT and auto, you could bring it down to around $24k, I'd
imagine.

JW wrote:

> I looked at used Rubicons...
>
> According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft
> deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest.
> Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5%
> translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or
> so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300.
>
> There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and
> they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one
> for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are
> selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who
> knows if they are actually moving them).
>
> -JW
>
>
> "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
>
>>"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
>>news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>>
>>what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your
>
> budget
>
>>the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are
>>climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly
>>they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling
>
> in
>
>>the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle
>
> pulling)
>
>>stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go
>>button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon
>
> and
>
>>definately worth the added expense.
>>
>>--
>>Nathan W. Collier
>>http://7SlotGrille.com
>>http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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__________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. Dual tops, auto,
subwoofer, etc. etc. Mainly missing cruise control and an ashtray, I
think. At any rate, it was $100 over invoice. If you kill some of the
options like HT and auto, you could bring it down to around $24k, I'd
imagine.

JW wrote:

> I looked at used Rubicons...
>
> According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft
> deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest.
> Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5%
> translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or
> so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300.
>
> There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and
> they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one
> for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are
> selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who
> knows if they are actually moving them).
>
> -JW
>
>
> "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
>
>>"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
>>news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>>
>>what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your
>
> budget
>
>>the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are
>>climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly
>>they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling
>
> in
>
>>the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle
>
> pulling)
>
>>stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go
>>button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon
>
> and
>
>>definately worth the added expense.
>>
>>--
>>Nathan W. Collier
>>http://7SlotGrille.com
>>http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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__________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. Dual tops, auto,
subwoofer, etc. etc. Mainly missing cruise control and an ashtray, I
think. At any rate, it was $100 over invoice. If you kill some of the
options like HT and auto, you could bring it down to around $24k, I'd
imagine.

JW wrote:

> I looked at used Rubicons...
>
> According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft
> deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest.
> Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5%
> translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or
> so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300.
>
> There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and
> they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one
> for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are
> selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who
> knows if they are actually moving them).
>
> -JW
>
>
> "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
>
>>"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
>>news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>>
>>what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your
>
> budget
>
>>the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are
>>climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly
>>they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling
>
> in
>
>>the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle
>
> pulling)
>
>>stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go
>>button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon
>
> and
>
>>definately worth the added expense.
>>
>>--
>>Nathan W. Collier
>>http://7SlotGrille.com
>>http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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__________________________________________________ _________

Nathan Collier

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om...
> I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi.

argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com