JW

I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a
third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and
to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a
slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am
finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value
pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I
am leaning towards the new Rubicon.

Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?

Thanks.

Nathan Collier

"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
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> Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?

what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your budget
the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are
climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly
they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling in
the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle pulling)
stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go
button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon and
definately worth the added expense.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

Nathan Collier

"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
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> Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?

what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your budget
the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are
climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly
they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling in
the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle pulling)
stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go
button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon and
definately worth the added expense.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

Nathan Collier

"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
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> Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?

what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your budget
the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are
climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly
they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling in
the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle pulling)
stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go
button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon and
definately worth the added expense.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

JW

I looked at used Rubicons...

According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft
deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest.
Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5%
translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or
so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300.

There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and
they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one
for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are
selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who
knows if they are actually moving them).

-JW


"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
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> "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
> news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>
> what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your
budget
> the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are
> climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly
> they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling
in
> the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle
pulling)
> stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go
> button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon
and
> definately worth the added expense.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>
>
>

JW

I looked at used Rubicons...

According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft
deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest.
Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5%
translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or
so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300.

There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and
they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one
for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are
selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who
knows if they are actually moving them).

-JW


"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
> news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>
> what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your
budget
> the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are
> climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly
> they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling
in
> the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle
pulling)
> stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go
> button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon
and
> definately worth the added expense.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>
>
>

JW

I looked at used Rubicons...

According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft
deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest.
Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5%
translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or
so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300.

There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and
they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one
for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are
selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who
knows if they are actually moving them).

-JW


"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
> news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon?
>
> what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your
budget
> the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are
> climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly
> they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling
in
> the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle
pulling)
> stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go
> button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon
and
> definately worth the added expense.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>
>
>

Nathan Collier

"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
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> There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and
> they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new
one
> for $22,300.

it really depends on how its equipped. you wont get a fully dressed rubicon
for anywhere near $22,300. if youre looking for a bottom end rubicon you
should be able to find one used for under $20k easily.

> It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are
> selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but
who
> knows if they are actually moving them).

i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic
tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried
selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to
just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just
dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20%
maybe, but not 33%. since i can write it off anyway as a legitimate
business expense ill still get the new truck i wanted (after tax season) so
maybe it worked out for the best.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

Nathan Collier

"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:o-mdnTIFx64aJY3dRVn-ig@comcast.com...
> There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and
> they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new
one
> for $22,300.

it really depends on how its equipped. you wont get a fully dressed rubicon
for anywhere near $22,300. if youre looking for a bottom end rubicon you
should be able to find one used for under $20k easily.

> It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are
> selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but
who
> knows if they are actually moving them).

i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic
tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried
selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to
just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just
dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20%
maybe, but not 33%. since i can write it off anyway as a legitimate
business expense ill still get the new truck i wanted (after tax season) so
maybe it worked out for the best.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

Nathan Collier

"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:o-mdnTIFx64aJY3dRVn-ig@comcast.com...
> There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and
> they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new
one
> for $22,300.

it really depends on how its equipped. you wont get a fully dressed rubicon
for anywhere near $22,300. if youre looking for a bottom end rubicon you
should be able to find one used for under $20k easily.

> It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are
> selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but
who
> knows if they are actually moving them).

i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic
tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried
selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to
just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just
dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20%
maybe, but not 33%. since i can write it off anyway as a legitimate
business expense ill still get the new truck i wanted (after tax season) so
maybe it worked out for the best.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com