Is this Jeep worth it?
10-28-2005, 10:45 PM
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Re: Is this Jeep worth it?
I believe that is the condition of his rice burner he is detailing.
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"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> jimboe via CarKB.com did pass the time by typing:
>> Indeed it is a Grand Cherokee. Sorry for that.
>>
>> As far as use goes, well I don't plan on any off-road stuff. Just as I
>> said,
>> I do about 10K mi./yr driving, 75% city, 25% highway I'd guess. I can't
>> afford really anything much now (this is about as much as I can spend at
>> the
>> moment), my old 1989 honda is going and I don't want to put any more $$
>> into
>> it.
>
> You going to probably have to put more into the ZJ given what you say
> it has problems with.
>
>> It's got an engine seal leak (emissions white when floored), oil
>> pan/tranny
>> case leak (a few drops over night). Every 3 wks I add ~qt engine oil. Gas
>> mileage is <20 mi/gal cuz of these probs., and that's w/super (engine has
>> knocks/hard starts w/ regular). Over the last couple months a tranny
>> problem
>> has appeared. If I drive it before warming it for ~5 mins. (even in the
>> summer) the tranny does not shift gears until very high RPM's.. once
>> warm, it
>> shifts/drives normally-- there's enough fluid, I recently had a flush
>> w/the
>> machine, and put Lucas in also-- no effect at all.
>
> the white smoke is coolant being burned because the engine has a blown
> head gasket. If left long enough it will destroy (erode) the piston and
> bore requiring an engine rebuild.
>
> sucking oil indicates the problem has probably gone further with worn
> guides
> or damaged rings.
>
> oil drips are fairly common. rear main seal for the engine and output
> shaft
> bushing on the tranny are the usual culprits.
>
>
> Given the state of this engine I doubt the previous owner did any routine
> maintenance and probably abused the hell out of the vehicle.
>
> Just my feeling, but your in for an engine rebuild and tranny overhaul,
> and given those problems I'd also wonder about the other mechanicals
> diffs/transfer case (if it has 4wd).
>
> Now for some reality:
>
> 5.2 shortblock $2,500
> Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft, Connecting Rods &
> Bearings.
> Cylinder Head (each) $341
> Upper Overhaul gasket kit $100
> Transmission, All Models, 5.2L, $2,304.20
>
> And that's assuming you do your own work. Figure labor is
> going to be about half the part.
>
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> Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
> Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
>
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..
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> jimboe via CarKB.com did pass the time by typing:
>> Indeed it is a Grand Cherokee. Sorry for that.
>>
>> As far as use goes, well I don't plan on any off-road stuff. Just as I
>> said,
>> I do about 10K mi./yr driving, 75% city, 25% highway I'd guess. I can't
>> afford really anything much now (this is about as much as I can spend at
>> the
>> moment), my old 1989 honda is going and I don't want to put any more $$
>> into
>> it.
>
> You going to probably have to put more into the ZJ given what you say
> it has problems with.
>
>> It's got an engine seal leak (emissions white when floored), oil
>> pan/tranny
>> case leak (a few drops over night). Every 3 wks I add ~qt engine oil. Gas
>> mileage is <20 mi/gal cuz of these probs., and that's w/super (engine has
>> knocks/hard starts w/ regular). Over the last couple months a tranny
>> problem
>> has appeared. If I drive it before warming it for ~5 mins. (even in the
>> summer) the tranny does not shift gears until very high RPM's.. once
>> warm, it
>> shifts/drives normally-- there's enough fluid, I recently had a flush
>> w/the
>> machine, and put Lucas in also-- no effect at all.
>
> the white smoke is coolant being burned because the engine has a blown
> head gasket. If left long enough it will destroy (erode) the piston and
> bore requiring an engine rebuild.
>
> sucking oil indicates the problem has probably gone further with worn
> guides
> or damaged rings.
>
> oil drips are fairly common. rear main seal for the engine and output
> shaft
> bushing on the tranny are the usual culprits.
>
>
> Given the state of this engine I doubt the previous owner did any routine
> maintenance and probably abused the hell out of the vehicle.
>
> Just my feeling, but your in for an engine rebuild and tranny overhaul,
> and given those problems I'd also wonder about the other mechanicals
> diffs/transfer case (if it has 4wd).
>
> Now for some reality:
>
> 5.2 shortblock $2,500
> Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft, Connecting Rods &
> Bearings.
> Cylinder Head (each) $341
> Upper Overhaul gasket kit $100
> Transmission, All Models, 5.2L, $2,304.20
>
> And that's assuming you do your own work. Figure labor is
> going to be about half the part.
>
> --
> -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
> HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
> Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
> Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
>
10-28-2005, 10:58 PM
#32
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Re: Is this Jeep worth it?
>Given the state of this engine I doubt the previous owner did any routine
>maintenance and probably abused the hell out of the vehicle.
>
>Just my feeling, but your in for an engine rebuild and tranny overhaul,
O boy. I feel like a total net newbie.. As Bill noted, the probs I described
were with my current rice-buirner.
I should've structured that last post more coherently.. I realized it after I
posted it, and apparently there's no way to edit posts here.
My sincere apologies for compelling you to give a well thought out chunk of
specific advice.
I hope it didn't take too much of your time.
Jim
>maintenance and probably abused the hell out of the vehicle.
>
>Just my feeling, but your in for an engine rebuild and tranny overhaul,
O boy. I feel like a total net newbie.. As Bill noted, the probs I described
were with my current rice-buirner.
I should've structured that last post more coherently.. I realized it after I
posted it, and apparently there's no way to edit posts here.
My sincere apologies for compelling you to give a well thought out chunk of
specific advice.
I hope it didn't take too much of your time.
Jim
10-28-2005, 10:58 PM
#33
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Re: Is this Jeep worth it?
>Given the state of this engine I doubt the previous owner did any routine
>maintenance and probably abused the hell out of the vehicle.
>
>Just my feeling, but your in for an engine rebuild and tranny overhaul,
O boy. I feel like a total net newbie.. As Bill noted, the probs I described
were with my current rice-buirner.
I should've structured that last post more coherently.. I realized it after I
posted it, and apparently there's no way to edit posts here.
My sincere apologies for compelling you to give a well thought out chunk of
specific advice.
I hope it didn't take too much of your time.
Jim
>maintenance and probably abused the hell out of the vehicle.
>
>Just my feeling, but your in for an engine rebuild and tranny overhaul,
O boy. I feel like a total net newbie.. As Bill noted, the probs I described
were with my current rice-buirner.
I should've structured that last post more coherently.. I realized it after I
posted it, and apparently there's no way to edit posts here.
My sincere apologies for compelling you to give a well thought out chunk of
specific advice.
I hope it didn't take too much of your time.
Jim
10-28-2005, 10:58 PM
#34
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Re: Is this Jeep worth it?
>Given the state of this engine I doubt the previous owner did any routine
>maintenance and probably abused the hell out of the vehicle.
>
>Just my feeling, but your in for an engine rebuild and tranny overhaul,
O boy. I feel like a total net newbie.. As Bill noted, the probs I described
were with my current rice-buirner.
I should've structured that last post more coherently.. I realized it after I
posted it, and apparently there's no way to edit posts here.
My sincere apologies for compelling you to give a well thought out chunk of
specific advice.
I hope it didn't take too much of your time.
Jim
>maintenance and probably abused the hell out of the vehicle.
>
>Just my feeling, but your in for an engine rebuild and tranny overhaul,
O boy. I feel like a total net newbie.. As Bill noted, the probs I described
were with my current rice-buirner.
I should've structured that last post more coherently.. I realized it after I
posted it, and apparently there's no way to edit posts here.
My sincere apologies for compelling you to give a well thought out chunk of
specific advice.
I hope it didn't take too much of your time.
Jim
10-28-2005, 11:06 PM
#35
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Re: Is this Jeep worth it?
Bill, let me ask you, my friend has a 95 GCL, basically the same vehicle, and
he told me that the A/C is a problem with this car. He had his factory
replaced once, then it died again, and he hasn't bothered to fix his either.
Is there a known issue with the A/C's in this incarnation? And is it
expensive to get it taken care of?
Jim
Billy Ray wrote:
>You had me worried there ... while you were describing the Honda I, at
>first, thought you were talking about the Grand.
>
>I would expect you will get many years good service, especially with as
>little as you plan to drive it.
>
>Knowing the vehicle history is a big plus. The most important thing is to
>change the oil and filter every 3000 miles and the other items on the SEVERE
>service schedule at their appropriate time and keep you tires aired up.
>
>In addition to general Jeep advise there are several Grand Cherokees near
>your vintage here in the group.
>
>br
>> Indeed it is a Grand Cherokee. Sorry for that.
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>> expect 2 years out of it, based on what I've told you, and what my driving
>> habits are, that'd be OK by me.
he told me that the A/C is a problem with this car. He had his factory
replaced once, then it died again, and he hasn't bothered to fix his either.
Is there a known issue with the A/C's in this incarnation? And is it
expensive to get it taken care of?
Jim
Billy Ray wrote:
>You had me worried there ... while you were describing the Honda I, at
>first, thought you were talking about the Grand.
>
>I would expect you will get many years good service, especially with as
>little as you plan to drive it.
>
>Knowing the vehicle history is a big plus. The most important thing is to
>change the oil and filter every 3000 miles and the other items on the SEVERE
>service schedule at their appropriate time and keep you tires aired up.
>
>In addition to general Jeep advise there are several Grand Cherokees near
>your vintage here in the group.
>
>br
>> Indeed it is a Grand Cherokee. Sorry for that.
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>> expect 2 years out of it, based on what I've told you, and what my driving
>> habits are, that'd be OK by me.
10-28-2005, 11:06 PM
#36
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Re: Is this Jeep worth it?
Bill, let me ask you, my friend has a 95 GCL, basically the same vehicle, and
he told me that the A/C is a problem with this car. He had his factory
replaced once, then it died again, and he hasn't bothered to fix his either.
Is there a known issue with the A/C's in this incarnation? And is it
expensive to get it taken care of?
Jim
Billy Ray wrote:
>You had me worried there ... while you were describing the Honda I, at
>first, thought you were talking about the Grand.
>
>I would expect you will get many years good service, especially with as
>little as you plan to drive it.
>
>Knowing the vehicle history is a big plus. The most important thing is to
>change the oil and filter every 3000 miles and the other items on the SEVERE
>service schedule at their appropriate time and keep you tires aired up.
>
>In addition to general Jeep advise there are several Grand Cherokees near
>your vintage here in the group.
>
>br
>> Indeed it is a Grand Cherokee. Sorry for that.
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>> expect 2 years out of it, based on what I've told you, and what my driving
>> habits are, that'd be OK by me.
he told me that the A/C is a problem with this car. He had his factory
replaced once, then it died again, and he hasn't bothered to fix his either.
Is there a known issue with the A/C's in this incarnation? And is it
expensive to get it taken care of?
Jim
Billy Ray wrote:
>You had me worried there ... while you were describing the Honda I, at
>first, thought you were talking about the Grand.
>
>I would expect you will get many years good service, especially with as
>little as you plan to drive it.
>
>Knowing the vehicle history is a big plus. The most important thing is to
>change the oil and filter every 3000 miles and the other items on the SEVERE
>service schedule at their appropriate time and keep you tires aired up.
>
>In addition to general Jeep advise there are several Grand Cherokees near
>your vintage here in the group.
>
>br
>> Indeed it is a Grand Cherokee. Sorry for that.
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>> expect 2 years out of it, based on what I've told you, and what my driving
>> habits are, that'd be OK by me.
10-28-2005, 11:06 PM
#37
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Re: Is this Jeep worth it?
Bill, let me ask you, my friend has a 95 GCL, basically the same vehicle, and
he told me that the A/C is a problem with this car. He had his factory
replaced once, then it died again, and he hasn't bothered to fix his either.
Is there a known issue with the A/C's in this incarnation? And is it
expensive to get it taken care of?
Jim
Billy Ray wrote:
>You had me worried there ... while you were describing the Honda I, at
>first, thought you were talking about the Grand.
>
>I would expect you will get many years good service, especially with as
>little as you plan to drive it.
>
>Knowing the vehicle history is a big plus. The most important thing is to
>change the oil and filter every 3000 miles and the other items on the SEVERE
>service schedule at their appropriate time and keep you tires aired up.
>
>In addition to general Jeep advise there are several Grand Cherokees near
>your vintage here in the group.
>
>br
>> Indeed it is a Grand Cherokee. Sorry for that.
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>> expect 2 years out of it, based on what I've told you, and what my driving
>> habits are, that'd be OK by me.
he told me that the A/C is a problem with this car. He had his factory
replaced once, then it died again, and he hasn't bothered to fix his either.
Is there a known issue with the A/C's in this incarnation? And is it
expensive to get it taken care of?
Jim
Billy Ray wrote:
>You had me worried there ... while you were describing the Honda I, at
>first, thought you were talking about the Grand.
>
>I would expect you will get many years good service, especially with as
>little as you plan to drive it.
>
>Knowing the vehicle history is a big plus. The most important thing is to
>change the oil and filter every 3000 miles and the other items on the SEVERE
>service schedule at their appropriate time and keep you tires aired up.
>
>In addition to general Jeep advise there are several Grand Cherokees near
>your vintage here in the group.
>
>br
>> Indeed it is a Grand Cherokee. Sorry for that.
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>> expect 2 years out of it, based on what I've told you, and what my driving
>> habits are, that'd be OK by me.