L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

I've taped the pan up and pour water in place of the engine oil, no big
deal, just take it slow and it got me back from fifty miles from nowhere.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:16:49 -0000, wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
> >transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the clutch,
> >etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can not
> >budge it into gear.
>
>
> Part of your mistake was driving it 60 miles with water in it. I know
> you do not want to walk but there is a times when you do not drive
> them far and this was one of them. Second mistake was letting it sit
> empty for a wek and without doubt some rust has set in internally. You
> show have drained and refilled it right away and maybe put a few oz's
> of dry gas with lube too (alchol in dry gas can bind to water and oil)
> drove it a bit and then drained it again as this would have removed
> alll the water in there. At this stage, the damage is likely done and
> you need to pull tranny and tear it down to inspect it. (I beleive you
> stated it made noisy on way home and this is not good either) THere is
> no magic fixes here and to suggest otherwise would be misleading at
> this stage of the game.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

I've taped the pan up and pour water in place of the engine oil, no big
deal, just take it slow and it got me back from fifty miles from nowhere.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:16:49 -0000, wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
> >transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the clutch,
> >etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can not
> >budge it into gear.
>
>
> Part of your mistake was driving it 60 miles with water in it. I know
> you do not want to walk but there is a times when you do not drive
> them far and this was one of them. Second mistake was letting it sit
> empty for a wek and without doubt some rust has set in internally. You
> show have drained and refilled it right away and maybe put a few oz's
> of dry gas with lube too (alchol in dry gas can bind to water and oil)
> drove it a bit and then drained it again as this would have removed
> alll the water in there. At this stage, the damage is likely done and
> you need to pull tranny and tear it down to inspect it. (I beleive you
> stated it made noisy on way home and this is not good either) THere is
> no magic fixes here and to suggest otherwise would be misleading at
> this stage of the game.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com




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Earle Horton

That's not what they tell me in alt.usage.spanish. It's a tough crowd
over there, but they're good teachers. Don't tell them I said this.

http://snoman.esgay.com

Saludos,

Earle

"D Gavilanes" <gavilan1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Earle,
>
> Your Spanish is amazing!
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > SnoMan you are a moron. This is all true but it has absolutely
nothing to
> > do with the OP's stated problem.
> >
> > And for our Spanish-speaking friends.
> > Snoman eres morón y hijo de la gran puta. Lo que balbuceas de
manera tan
> > necia es verdad, sí claro, pero no tiene nada que ver con la queja
del
> > puteador original. El tío no puede manipular el cambio de marchas,
y la
> > respuesta es tan sencillo que un novato pueda contestarla. ¿Por qué
no lo
> > haces? ¡Porque no tienes ni puta idea!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> > news:035hj35on44eg7apnh69c26sugj3bjpm5b@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:16:49 -0000, wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
> >>> transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the
clutch,
> >>> etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can
not
> >>> budge it into gear.
> >>
> >> Part of your mistake was driving it 60 miles with water in it. I
know
> >> you do not want to walk but there is a times when you do not drive
> >> them far and this was one of them. Second mistake was letting it
sit
> >> empty for a wek and without doubt some rust has set in internally.
You
> >> show have drained and refilled it right away and maybe put a few
oz's
> >> of dry gas with lube too (alchol in dry gas can bind to water and
oil)
> >> drove it a bit and then drained it again as this would have removed
> >> alll the water in there. At this stage, the damage is likely done
and
> >> you need to pull tranny and tear it down to inspect it. (I beleive
you
> >> stated it made noisy on way home and this is not good either) THere
is
> >> no magic fixes here and to suggest otherwise would be misleading at
> >> this stage of the game.
> >> -----------------
> >> TheSnoMan.com
> >
> >




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Earle Horton

That's not what they tell me in alt.usage.spanish. It's a tough crowd
over there, but they're good teachers. Don't tell them I said this.

http://snoman.esgay.com

Saludos,

Earle

"D Gavilanes" <gavilan1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:13jhp3gkj4gai60@corp.supernews.com...
> Earle,
>
> Your Spanish is amazing!
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > SnoMan you are a moron. This is all true but it has absolutely
nothing to
> > do with the OP's stated problem.
> >
> > And for our Spanish-speaking friends.
> > Snoman eres morón y hijo de la gran puta. Lo que balbuceas de
manera tan
> > necia es verdad, sí claro, pero no tiene nada que ver con la queja
del
> > puteador original. El tío no puede manipular el cambio de marchas,
y la
> > respuesta es tan sencillo que un novato pueda contestarla. ¿Por qué
no lo
> > haces? ¡Porque no tienes ni puta idea!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> > news:035hj35on44eg7apnh69c26sugj3bjpm5b@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:16:49 -0000, wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
> >>> transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the
clutch,
> >>> etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can
not
> >>> budge it into gear.
> >>
> >> Part of your mistake was driving it 60 miles with water in it. I
know
> >> you do not want to walk but there is a times when you do not drive
> >> them far and this was one of them. Second mistake was letting it
sit
> >> empty for a wek and without doubt some rust has set in internally.
You
> >> show have drained and refilled it right away and maybe put a few
oz's
> >> of dry gas with lube too (alchol in dry gas can bind to water and
oil)
> >> drove it a bit and then drained it again as this would have removed
> >> alll the water in there. At this stage, the damage is likely done
and
> >> you need to pull tranny and tear it down to inspect it. (I beleive
you
> >> stated it made noisy on way home and this is not good either) THere
is
> >> no magic fixes here and to suggest otherwise would be misleading at
> >> this stage of the game.
> >> -----------------
> >> TheSnoMan.com
> >
> >




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Earle Horton

"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@***.net> wrote in message
news:fhaun402etl@news3.newsguy.com...
> SnoMan wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:49:46 -0700, "Earle Horton"
> > <123456@nospam.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> SnoMan you are a moron. This is all true but it has absolutely
> >> nothing to do with the OP's stated problem.
> >>
> >> And for our Spanish-speaking friends.
> >> Snoman eres morón y hijo de la gran puta. Lo que balbuceas de
> >> manera tan necia es verdad, sí claro, pero no tiene nada que ver
> >> con
> >> la queja del puteador original. El tío no puede manipular el
> >> cambio
> >> de marchas, y la respuesta es tan sencillo que un novato pueda
> >> contestarla. ¿Por qué no lo haces? ¡Porque no tienes ni puta
> >> idea!
> >
> >
> > The moron here is you as usual. Even if the shifter came out of
> > ralils
> > it would not come out unless a LOT of force was apply to shift it
> > and
> > that means it was binding and it was forced. It was binding from
> > rust
> > and/or damage and people like you are dangerous because you are
> > really
> > clueless and try to plant false hopes. You never want to treat cause
> > (because it escapes you) only the symptoms best you can with your
> > limited understanding of how and why things work. You really should
> > take up a different language because your advise is worthless anyway
> > so you might as well speak it in a foreign tongue too. Someone would
> > be very foolish to follow your dribble in this thread.
>
> Uh, he said that he removed the transmission completely. That would
> imply that he had removed the lever, thus giving the opportunity to
> put it back incorrectly, so there is no need for "a LOT of force" to
> have been applied.
>
> Instead of getting pissed off why don't you try actually _reading_ the
> post to which you are responding?

SnoMan can't read.

Saludos,

Earle



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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@***.net> wrote in message
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> SnoMan wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:49:46 -0700, "Earle Horton"
> > <123456@nospam.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> SnoMan you are a moron. This is all true but it has absolutely
> >> nothing to do with the OP's stated problem.
> >>
> >> And for our Spanish-speaking friends.
> >> Snoman eres morón y hijo de la gran puta. Lo que balbuceas de
> >> manera tan necia es verdad, sí claro, pero no tiene nada que ver
> >> con
> >> la queja del puteador original. El tío no puede manipular el
> >> cambio
> >> de marchas, y la respuesta es tan sencillo que un novato pueda
> >> contestarla. ¿Por qué no lo haces? ¡Porque no tienes ni puta
> >> idea!
> >
> >
> > The moron here is you as usual. Even if the shifter came out of
> > ralils
> > it would not come out unless a LOT of force was apply to shift it
> > and
> > that means it was binding and it was forced. It was binding from
> > rust
> > and/or damage and people like you are dangerous because you are
> > really
> > clueless and try to plant false hopes. You never want to treat cause
> > (because it escapes you) only the symptoms best you can with your
> > limited understanding of how and why things work. You really should
> > take up a different language because your advise is worthless anyway
> > so you might as well speak it in a foreign tongue too. Someone would
> > be very foolish to follow your dribble in this thread.
>
> Uh, he said that he removed the transmission completely. That would
> imply that he had removed the lever, thus giving the opportunity to
> put it back incorrectly, so there is no need for "a LOT of force" to
> have been applied.
>
> Instead of getting pissed off why don't you try actually _reading_ the
> post to which you are responding?

SnoMan can't read.

Saludos,

Earle



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wbowlin@gmail.com

On Nov 12, 11:53 am, "Earle Horton" <123...@nospam.com> wrote:
> <wbow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194844112.369070.128620@o3g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...> Bill, I am not sure I follow. What do you mean by 'pull that rail
> > back into neutral'? Sorry I am just a greenhorn on transmissions.
> > Thanks
>
> Pull the shift lever out again, and look down into the transmission. You
> will see three rails that move back and forth, parallel with the mainshaft.
> They each have a notch in them, that the end of the shift lever fits in.
> Before installing the shift lever, you have to line up all the notches so
> the transmission is in neutral. Then you pop the shift lever in without
> disturbing any of them..Once it is all the way down, you should be able to
> shift into all the gears.
>
> Earle

Earle & Bill,
Thanks for the pointer on the shift rails. My 1-2 shift rail was out
of alignment with the shifter by about an inch, which was enough to
cause me grief. I lined it back up and was able to shift flawlessly.
The thing is shifting like butter (well I suppose as good as a peougot
can) now after the fluid change, but it does seem to be a little on th
screechy side. I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?

Thanks again for the help. I learned a little about trannys along the
way.

wbowlin@gmail.com

On Nov 12, 11:53 am, "Earle Horton" <123...@nospam.com> wrote:
> <wbow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194844112.369070.128620@o3g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...> Bill, I am not sure I follow. What do you mean by 'pull that rail
> > back into neutral'? Sorry I am just a greenhorn on transmissions.
> > Thanks
>
> Pull the shift lever out again, and look down into the transmission. You
> will see three rails that move back and forth, parallel with the mainshaft.
> They each have a notch in them, that the end of the shift lever fits in.
> Before installing the shift lever, you have to line up all the notches so
> the transmission is in neutral. Then you pop the shift lever in without
> disturbing any of them..Once it is all the way down, you should be able to
> shift into all the gears.
>
> Earle

Earle & Bill,
Thanks for the pointer on the shift rails. My 1-2 shift rail was out
of alignment with the shifter by about an inch, which was enough to
cause me grief. I lined it back up and was able to shift flawlessly.
The thing is shifting like butter (well I suppose as good as a peougot
can) now after the fluid change, but it does seem to be a little on th
screechy side. I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?

Thanks again for the help. I learned a little about trannys along the
way.

wbowlin@gmail.com

On Nov 12, 11:53 am, "Earle Horton" <123...@nospam.com> wrote:
> <wbow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194844112.369070.128620@o3g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...> Bill, I am not sure I follow. What do you mean by 'pull that rail
> > back into neutral'? Sorry I am just a greenhorn on transmissions.
> > Thanks
>
> Pull the shift lever out again, and look down into the transmission. You
> will see three rails that move back and forth, parallel with the mainshaft.
> They each have a notch in them, that the end of the shift lever fits in.
> Before installing the shift lever, you have to line up all the notches so
> the transmission is in neutral. Then you pop the shift lever in without
> disturbing any of them..Once it is all the way down, you should be able to
> shift into all the gears.
>
> Earle

Earle & Bill,
Thanks for the pointer on the shift rails. My 1-2 shift rail was out
of alignment with the shifter by about an inch, which was enough to
cause me grief. I lined it back up and was able to shift flawlessly.
The thing is shifting like butter (well I suppose as good as a peougot
can) now after the fluid change, but it does seem to be a little on th
screechy side. I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?

Thanks again for the help. I learned a little about trannys along the
way.

Earle Horton

<wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 12, 11:53 am, "Earle Horton" <123...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > <wbow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1194844112.369070.128620@o3g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...> Bill,
> > > I am not sure I follow. What do you mean by 'pull that rail
> > > back into neutral'? Sorry I am just a greenhorn on transmissions.
> > > Thanks
> >
> > Pull the shift lever out again, and look down into the transmission.
> > You
> > will see three rails that move back and forth, parallel with the
> > mainshaft.
> > They each have a notch in them, that the end of the shift lever fits
> > in.
> > Before installing the shift lever, you have to line up all the
> > notches so
> > the transmission is in neutral. Then you pop the shift lever in
> > without
> > disturbing any of them..Once it is all the way down, you should be
> > able to shift into all the gears.
> >
> > Earle
>
> Earle & Bill,
> Thanks for the pointer on the shift rails. My 1-2 shift rail was out
> of alignment with the shifter by about an inch, which was enough to
> cause me grief. I lined it back up and was able to shift flawlessly.
> The thing is shifting like butter (well I suppose as good as a peougot
> can) now after the fluid change, but it does seem to be a little on th
> screechy side. I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
> didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
> for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?
>
> Thanks again for the help. I learned a little about trannys along the
> way.
>
If you got that much water in it, I would recommend another change after
warming up the transmission real well. I am betting on cover plate for
the noise though. Maybe SnoMan has some more ideas...

Cheers,

Earle



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