Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
02-27-2004, 02:37 AM
#61
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
In message <Hgs%b.9018$ee3.449508@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Mike Hall" wrote:
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:403E33FC.A7B002FD@sympatico.ca...
>> I also find it hard to believe someone could be that stupid. Putting a
>> racing engine in gear makes no sense at all.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>The article suggests that Johnson reached inside and started the vehicle..
>so it would have to be in 'park' or neutral to do that.. at that point, I
>would imagine that if the throttle stuck wide open, it would be obvious.. it
>then says that he placed it in reverse, presumably with the engine racing..
>does anybody else here get the impression that 'Johnson' was not actually
>sitting in the vehicle, but attempting to operate the controls from
>outside?..
You're right, that's exactly what it sounds like.
>I get the impression that somebody is trying to pin the blame on
>DC, and not the stupidity of those involved..
Yeah, but that's the way things go now. There's no accountability for being
stupid. Just file a lawsuit against the ones with the deep pockets, and you get
paid for being an idiot and endangering other people because the company doesn't
want the bad publicity.
>I fail to see how documented
>problems with '91-'95 Cherokees could have anything to do with a 2003 Grand
>Cherokee..
Kinda makes you wonder what exactly was "documented." If there were proven
defects, where are the recalls?
>
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:403E33FC.A7B002FD@sympatico.ca...
>> I also find it hard to believe someone could be that stupid. Putting a
>> racing engine in gear makes no sense at all.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>The article suggests that Johnson reached inside and started the vehicle..
>so it would have to be in 'park' or neutral to do that.. at that point, I
>would imagine that if the throttle stuck wide open, it would be obvious.. it
>then says that he placed it in reverse, presumably with the engine racing..
>does anybody else here get the impression that 'Johnson' was not actually
>sitting in the vehicle, but attempting to operate the controls from
>outside?..
You're right, that's exactly what it sounds like.
>I get the impression that somebody is trying to pin the blame on
>DC, and not the stupidity of those involved..
Yeah, but that's the way things go now. There's no accountability for being
stupid. Just file a lawsuit against the ones with the deep pockets, and you get
paid for being an idiot and endangering other people because the company doesn't
want the bad publicity.
>I fail to see how documented
>problems with '91-'95 Cherokees could have anything to do with a 2003 Grand
>Cherokee..
Kinda makes you wonder what exactly was "documented." If there were proven
defects, where are the recalls?
>
02-27-2004, 02:54 AM
#62
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
In message <20040226131201.20271.00000410@mb-m04.aol.com>, "Matt Macchiarolo"
wrote:
>>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep and
>>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
>>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
>
>Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal to be
>jammed by some carpeting....
Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat after
being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot slipped off
the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same time.
If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>* * *
>Matt Macchiarolo
>www.townpeddler.com
>www.wolverine4wd.org
>http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
wrote:
>>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep and
>>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
>>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
>
>Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal to be
>jammed by some carpeting....
Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat after
being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot slipped off
the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same time.
If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>* * *
>Matt Macchiarolo
>www.townpeddler.com
>www.wolverine4wd.org
>http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
02-27-2004, 02:54 AM
#63
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
In message <20040226131201.20271.00000410@mb-m04.aol.com>, "Matt Macchiarolo"
wrote:
>>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep and
>>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
>>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
>
>Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal to be
>jammed by some carpeting....
Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat after
being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot slipped off
the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same time.
If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>* * *
>Matt Macchiarolo
>www.townpeddler.com
>www.wolverine4wd.org
>http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
wrote:
>>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep and
>>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
>>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
>
>Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal to be
>jammed by some carpeting....
Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat after
being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot slipped off
the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same time.
If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>* * *
>Matt Macchiarolo
>www.townpeddler.com
>www.wolverine4wd.org
>http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
02-27-2004, 02:54 AM
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
In message <20040226131201.20271.00000410@mb-m04.aol.com>, "Matt Macchiarolo"
wrote:
>>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep and
>>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
>>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
>
>Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal to be
>jammed by some carpeting....
Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat after
being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot slipped off
the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same time.
If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>* * *
>Matt Macchiarolo
>www.townpeddler.com
>www.wolverine4wd.org
>http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
wrote:
>>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep and
>>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
>>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
>
>Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal to be
>jammed by some carpeting....
Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat after
being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot slipped off
the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same time.
If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>* * *
>Matt Macchiarolo
>www.townpeddler.com
>www.wolverine4wd.org
>http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
02-27-2004, 06:42 AM
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
I remember an instant where some old fella ran through the middle of a flea
market bulldozing people everywhere. Don't remember what the result
was....8-10 split? or strike... har har bad joke!
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:n2tt30lrt0r2d0760g8eeorifca0gehgi3@4ax.com...
> In message <20040226131201.20271.00000410@mb-m04.aol.com>, "Matt
Macchiarolo"
> wrote:
>
> >>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep
and
> >>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
> >>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
> >
> >Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal
to be
> >jammed by some carpeting....
>
> Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat
after
> being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot
slipped off
> the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same
time.
> If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
> thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
>
> Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>
>
> >* * *
> >Matt Macchiarolo
> >www.townpeddler.com
> >www.wolverine4wd.org
> >http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >
> >
> >
>
market bulldozing people everywhere. Don't remember what the result
was....8-10 split? or strike... har har bad joke!
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:n2tt30lrt0r2d0760g8eeorifca0gehgi3@4ax.com...
> In message <20040226131201.20271.00000410@mb-m04.aol.com>, "Matt
Macchiarolo"
> wrote:
>
> >>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep
and
> >>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
> >>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
> >
> >Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal
to be
> >jammed by some carpeting....
>
> Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat
after
> being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot
slipped off
> the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same
time.
> If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
> thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
>
> Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>
>
> >* * *
> >Matt Macchiarolo
> >www.townpeddler.com
> >www.wolverine4wd.org
> >http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >
> >
> >
>
02-27-2004, 06:42 AM
#66
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
I remember an instant where some old fella ran through the middle of a flea
market bulldozing people everywhere. Don't remember what the result
was....8-10 split? or strike... har har bad joke!
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:n2tt30lrt0r2d0760g8eeorifca0gehgi3@4ax.com...
> In message <20040226131201.20271.00000410@mb-m04.aol.com>, "Matt
Macchiarolo"
> wrote:
>
> >>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep
and
> >>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
> >>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
> >
> >Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal
to be
> >jammed by some carpeting....
>
> Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat
after
> being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot
slipped off
> the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same
time.
> If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
> thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
>
> Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>
>
> >* * *
> >Matt Macchiarolo
> >www.townpeddler.com
> >www.wolverine4wd.org
> >http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >
> >
> >
>
market bulldozing people everywhere. Don't remember what the result
was....8-10 split? or strike... har har bad joke!
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:n2tt30lrt0r2d0760g8eeorifca0gehgi3@4ax.com...
> In message <20040226131201.20271.00000410@mb-m04.aol.com>, "Matt
Macchiarolo"
> wrote:
>
> >>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep
and
> >>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
> >>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
> >
> >Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal
to be
> >jammed by some carpeting....
>
> Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat
after
> being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot
slipped off
> the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same
time.
> If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
> thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
>
> Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>
>
> >* * *
> >Matt Macchiarolo
> >www.townpeddler.com
> >www.wolverine4wd.org
> >http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >
> >
> >
>
02-27-2004, 06:42 AM
#67
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
I remember an instant where some old fella ran through the middle of a flea
market bulldozing people everywhere. Don't remember what the result
was....8-10 split? or strike... har har bad joke!
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:n2tt30lrt0r2d0760g8eeorifca0gehgi3@4ax.com...
> In message <20040226131201.20271.00000410@mb-m04.aol.com>, "Matt
Macchiarolo"
> wrote:
>
> >>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep
and
> >>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
> >>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
> >
> >Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal
to be
> >jammed by some carpeting....
>
> Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat
after
> being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot
slipped off
> the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same
time.
> If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
> thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
>
> Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>
>
> >* * *
> >Matt Macchiarolo
> >www.townpeddler.com
> >www.wolverine4wd.org
> >http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >
> >
> >
>
market bulldozing people everywhere. Don't remember what the result
was....8-10 split? or strike... har har bad joke!
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:n2tt30lrt0r2d0760g8eeorifca0gehgi3@4ax.com...
> In message <20040226131201.20271.00000410@mb-m04.aol.com>, "Matt
Macchiarolo"
> wrote:
>
> >>Read closely... the throttle was stuck. When they restarted the Jeep
and
> >>put it in reverse, is raced backwards and dragged one fellow.
> >>There's a law suit coming to DC, (and a recall maybe).
> >
> >Possibly because the 75-year old driver floored it and caused the pedal
to be
> >jammed by some carpeting....
>
> Exactly. I've seen accelerator pedals hang on the edge of the floor mat
after
> being floored. There are several other possibilities also. Foot
slipped off
> the brake and on to the accelerator, or hitting both pedals at the same
time.
> If they realize it, it's not a big deal. If they panic and push harder,
> thinking they're on the brake, ---- hits the fan.
>
> Last year an old guy killed a bunch of folks in California just this way.
>
>
> >* * *
> >Matt Macchiarolo
> >www.townpeddler.com
> >www.wolverine4wd.org
> >http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >
> >
> >
>
02-27-2004, 09:42 AM
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:RGy%b.22090$W74.13047@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> Is there no interlock that requires the brake pedal to be pressed to get
it
> out of park? I am thinking that this ought to be a standard thing by now,
> especially after all that Audi problem of some time ago.....
>
My '94 Grand Cherokee has an interlock..
02-27-2004, 09:42 AM
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:RGy%b.22090$W74.13047@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> Is there no interlock that requires the brake pedal to be pressed to get
it
> out of park? I am thinking that this ought to be a standard thing by now,
> especially after all that Audi problem of some time ago.....
>
My '94 Grand Cherokee has an interlock..
02-27-2004, 09:42 AM
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Re: Jeep vs Pedestrian accident
"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:RGy%b.22090$W74.13047@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> Is there no interlock that requires the brake pedal to be pressed to get
it
> out of park? I am thinking that this ought to be a standard thing by now,
> especially after all that Audi problem of some time ago.....
>
My '94 Grand Cherokee has an interlock..