Jeep Toad
09-07-2006, 07:42 PM
#191
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Re: Jeep Toad
Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
libby useless on dirt roads:
http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
> OK, lets see if I've got this straight.
>
> Coils offer a better ride, more suspension travel enable a more
> sophisticated and compact suspension design.
>
> Leaf's are stronger and a leaf spring suspension can potentially put up
> with more abuse over the long term because of it's strength and simplicity.
>
> The big trucks use drums because that's what they've always used.
>
> Does that sound about right?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >
> >> That's because skyjacker and most off road after market
> >> manufacturers weren't around in the sixties. And of course that's reason
> >> Bronco never won the BaJa 1000, they came new with coil springs:
> >> http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg
> >
> >
> > Funny you'd think Jones would have insisted on converting Big Oly to
> > leaf springs if they were superior... It wouldn't have been difficult,
> > the entire frame of Big Oly was custom tubing. It would have been.
> >
> > Perhaps Olympia Beer was working on a Coil spring lift kit and insisted
> > that Jones keep the coils...
> >
> > I'm no Baja racer or rock crawler, all I know is there are ---- loads of
> > coil over four links in the rock crawling world, must be the evil
> > Skyjacker forcing their will upon the drivers right? Funny how none of
> > the new drivers who don't have Lift kit sponsors or other veteran
> > drivers don't convert to Leaf springs and dominate the competition...
> >
> > And here I was thinking that pro racers and rock crawlers would do
> > ANYTHING to gain a competitive advantage...
> >
often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
libby useless on dirt roads:
http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
> OK, lets see if I've got this straight.
>
> Coils offer a better ride, more suspension travel enable a more
> sophisticated and compact suspension design.
>
> Leaf's are stronger and a leaf spring suspension can potentially put up
> with more abuse over the long term because of it's strength and simplicity.
>
> The big trucks use drums because that's what they've always used.
>
> Does that sound about right?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >
> >> That's because skyjacker and most off road after market
> >> manufacturers weren't around in the sixties. And of course that's reason
> >> Bronco never won the BaJa 1000, they came new with coil springs:
> >> http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg
> >
> >
> > Funny you'd think Jones would have insisted on converting Big Oly to
> > leaf springs if they were superior... It wouldn't have been difficult,
> > the entire frame of Big Oly was custom tubing. It would have been.
> >
> > Perhaps Olympia Beer was working on a Coil spring lift kit and insisted
> > that Jones keep the coils...
> >
> > I'm no Baja racer or rock crawler, all I know is there are ---- loads of
> > coil over four links in the rock crawling world, must be the evil
> > Skyjacker forcing their will upon the drivers right? Funny how none of
> > the new drivers who don't have Lift kit sponsors or other veteran
> > drivers don't convert to Leaf springs and dominate the competition...
> >
> > And here I was thinking that pro racers and rock crawlers would do
> > ANYTHING to gain a competitive advantage...
> >
09-07-2006, 07:42 PM
#192
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Re: Jeep Toad
Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
libby useless on dirt roads:
http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
> OK, lets see if I've got this straight.
>
> Coils offer a better ride, more suspension travel enable a more
> sophisticated and compact suspension design.
>
> Leaf's are stronger and a leaf spring suspension can potentially put up
> with more abuse over the long term because of it's strength and simplicity.
>
> The big trucks use drums because that's what they've always used.
>
> Does that sound about right?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >
> >> That's because skyjacker and most off road after market
> >> manufacturers weren't around in the sixties. And of course that's reason
> >> Bronco never won the BaJa 1000, they came new with coil springs:
> >> http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg
> >
> >
> > Funny you'd think Jones would have insisted on converting Big Oly to
> > leaf springs if they were superior... It wouldn't have been difficult,
> > the entire frame of Big Oly was custom tubing. It would have been.
> >
> > Perhaps Olympia Beer was working on a Coil spring lift kit and insisted
> > that Jones keep the coils...
> >
> > I'm no Baja racer or rock crawler, all I know is there are ---- loads of
> > coil over four links in the rock crawling world, must be the evil
> > Skyjacker forcing their will upon the drivers right? Funny how none of
> > the new drivers who don't have Lift kit sponsors or other veteran
> > drivers don't convert to Leaf springs and dominate the competition...
> >
> > And here I was thinking that pro racers and rock crawlers would do
> > ANYTHING to gain a competitive advantage...
> >
often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
libby useless on dirt roads:
http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
> OK, lets see if I've got this straight.
>
> Coils offer a better ride, more suspension travel enable a more
> sophisticated and compact suspension design.
>
> Leaf's are stronger and a leaf spring suspension can potentially put up
> with more abuse over the long term because of it's strength and simplicity.
>
> The big trucks use drums because that's what they've always used.
>
> Does that sound about right?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >
> >> That's because skyjacker and most off road after market
> >> manufacturers weren't around in the sixties. And of course that's reason
> >> Bronco never won the BaJa 1000, they came new with coil springs:
> >> http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg
> >
> >
> > Funny you'd think Jones would have insisted on converting Big Oly to
> > leaf springs if they were superior... It wouldn't have been difficult,
> > the entire frame of Big Oly was custom tubing. It would have been.
> >
> > Perhaps Olympia Beer was working on a Coil spring lift kit and insisted
> > that Jones keep the coils...
> >
> > I'm no Baja racer or rock crawler, all I know is there are ---- loads of
> > coil over four links in the rock crawling world, must be the evil
> > Skyjacker forcing their will upon the drivers right? Funny how none of
> > the new drivers who don't have Lift kit sponsors or other veteran
> > drivers don't convert to Leaf springs and dominate the competition...
> >
> > And here I was thinking that pro racers and rock crawlers would do
> > ANYTHING to gain a competitive advantage...
> >
09-07-2006, 07:42 PM
#193
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Re: Jeep Toad
Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
libby useless on dirt roads:
http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
> OK, lets see if I've got this straight.
>
> Coils offer a better ride, more suspension travel enable a more
> sophisticated and compact suspension design.
>
> Leaf's are stronger and a leaf spring suspension can potentially put up
> with more abuse over the long term because of it's strength and simplicity.
>
> The big trucks use drums because that's what they've always used.
>
> Does that sound about right?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >
> >> That's because skyjacker and most off road after market
> >> manufacturers weren't around in the sixties. And of course that's reason
> >> Bronco never won the BaJa 1000, they came new with coil springs:
> >> http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg
> >
> >
> > Funny you'd think Jones would have insisted on converting Big Oly to
> > leaf springs if they were superior... It wouldn't have been difficult,
> > the entire frame of Big Oly was custom tubing. It would have been.
> >
> > Perhaps Olympia Beer was working on a Coil spring lift kit and insisted
> > that Jones keep the coils...
> >
> > I'm no Baja racer or rock crawler, all I know is there are ---- loads of
> > coil over four links in the rock crawling world, must be the evil
> > Skyjacker forcing their will upon the drivers right? Funny how none of
> > the new drivers who don't have Lift kit sponsors or other veteran
> > drivers don't convert to Leaf springs and dominate the competition...
> >
> > And here I was thinking that pro racers and rock crawlers would do
> > ANYTHING to gain a competitive advantage...
> >
often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
libby useless on dirt roads:
http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
> OK, lets see if I've got this straight.
>
> Coils offer a better ride, more suspension travel enable a more
> sophisticated and compact suspension design.
>
> Leaf's are stronger and a leaf spring suspension can potentially put up
> with more abuse over the long term because of it's strength and simplicity.
>
> The big trucks use drums because that's what they've always used.
>
> Does that sound about right?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >
> >> That's because skyjacker and most off road after market
> >> manufacturers weren't around in the sixties. And of course that's reason
> >> Bronco never won the BaJa 1000, they came new with coil springs:
> >> http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg
> >
> >
> > Funny you'd think Jones would have insisted on converting Big Oly to
> > leaf springs if they were superior... It wouldn't have been difficult,
> > the entire frame of Big Oly was custom tubing. It would have been.
> >
> > Perhaps Olympia Beer was working on a Coil spring lift kit and insisted
> > that Jones keep the coils...
> >
> > I'm no Baja racer or rock crawler, all I know is there are ---- loads of
> > coil over four links in the rock crawling world, must be the evil
> > Skyjacker forcing their will upon the drivers right? Funny how none of
> > the new drivers who don't have Lift kit sponsors or other veteran
> > drivers don't convert to Leaf springs and dominate the competition...
> >
> > And here I was thinking that pro racers and rock crawlers would do
> > ANYTHING to gain a competitive advantage...
> >
09-07-2006, 08:11 PM
#194
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Re: Jeep Toad
So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
semi-trucks use drum brakes?
I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
Tom
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> libby useless on dirt roads:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
semi-trucks use drum brakes?
I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
Tom
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> libby useless on dirt roads:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
09-07-2006, 08:11 PM
#195
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Re: Jeep Toad
So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
semi-trucks use drum brakes?
I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
Tom
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> libby useless on dirt roads:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
semi-trucks use drum brakes?
I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
Tom
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> libby useless on dirt roads:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
09-07-2006, 08:11 PM
#196
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Re: Jeep Toad
So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
semi-trucks use drum brakes?
I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
Tom
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> libby useless on dirt roads:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
semi-trucks use drum brakes?
I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
Tom
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> libby useless on dirt roads:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
09-07-2006, 08:49 PM
#197
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Re: Jeep Toad
Look at the area of disk pads and compare them to the stopping area
of shoes, it's that simple!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
>
> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
>
> Tom
of shoes, it's that simple!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
>
> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
>
> Tom
09-07-2006, 08:49 PM
#198
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Re: Jeep Toad
Look at the area of disk pads and compare them to the stopping area
of shoes, it's that simple!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
>
> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
>
> Tom
of shoes, it's that simple!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
>
> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
>
> Tom
09-07-2006, 08:49 PM
#199
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Toad
Look at the area of disk pads and compare them to the stopping area
of shoes, it's that simple!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
>
> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
>
> Tom
of shoes, it's that simple!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
>
> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
>
> Tom
09-07-2006, 08:49 PM
#200
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Re: Jeep Toad
mabar wrote:
> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
>
> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
>
> Tom
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
>> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
>> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
>> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
>> libby useless on dirt roads:
>> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
>> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>
>
Hazarding a guess I'd say it's because the drums actually offer more
stopping power and are less susceptible to brake fade. Disks are
lighter but not as powerful. For us they also handle mud better than
drums do, which isn't really a consideration for the average tractor.
Of course the real FACTS may completely different than the guess I
hazard. :)
> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
>
> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
>
> Tom
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
>> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
>> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
>> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
>> libby useless on dirt roads:
>> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
>> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>
>
Hazarding a guess I'd say it's because the drums actually offer more
stopping power and are less susceptible to brake fade. Disks are
lighter but not as powerful. For us they also handle mud better than
drums do, which isn't really a consideration for the average tractor.
Of course the real FACTS may completely different than the guess I
hazard. :)
