Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
Hey Derek,
Nothing is definite. Many Jeeps run 33" or even 35" tires with lockers
on the Dana 35 and suffer no breakage. The key is how you drive.
The most common axle breaking situation, by far, is a steep climb on
rocks requiring heavy accelerator thus resulting in the tires bouncing
off the ground and coming down hard while spinning fast. A locker
multiplies the risk of breakage in that sort of situation. A LSD will
lock up when both tires have some traction, so in certain potential
break situations, it too will increase risk.
If you can avoid pedal pounding on steep and/or rough terrain, you may
well never break a Dana 35 axle with 35" tires and a True Trac. Just
remember that despite best intentions, it can be real hard to lay off
the pedal in heat of the moment. Worse yet, you'll alway have that
nagging worry that the next obstacle on the trail could be your last.
There are a few more expenses you should figure in when comparing costs
of keeping the Dana 35. First, budget for a set of spare axles from
the junkyard and make room in back to carry them. Having spares on hand
will make a broken axle significantly less painful.
Next, figure on some welding to firm up the flimsy Dana 35 housing. I
managed to spin my Dana 35 (open) pumpkin on the tubes last year when
hammering the gas in a vain attempt to get unstuck:
http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff1.jpg
This can be prevented by welding the cast pumpkin to the steel tubes.
Also, the tube walls of the Dana 35 are real thin and are known to bend
with even moderate offroad use. This can lead to big trouble. The
prevention for that is to weld a truss to the tubes or buy bolt-on solution:
http://www.superioraxle.com/pdffolder/super3truss.pdf
Myself, I'm glad I ditched the Dana 35. Do you really need those 35"
tires now or can you wait until spring? If you truly want to save money
and you have some spare time, do your axle research and pick up a
suitable rear (and maybe a front too) from the junkyard for a few
hundred. Look for deals on gears and lockers. Learn how to setup gears
and take your time to do a benchtop rebuild in your garage or basement
over the winter.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Derek Proctor wrote:
> So a detroit true-trac limited slip DEFINETLY will NOT work with 35s
> on the dana 35??? This is my most favoarable option (true-tracs front
> and rear), but i will bypass it if it definietly will not work. I
> understand that a Locker on dana 35 stock axle shafts is 100% out of
> the question with tires over 32-33", but how will a gear driven LSD
> work with 35s?
>
> ARBs sure are nice, but thats $1200+ for the rear locker/axle kit and
> compressor alone, not including the added labor for the complex
> installation it probably requires (i got a quote for true-tracs
> front/rear, gears front/rear, and install kits for about the same cost
> as an arb super 35 with compressor alone!). I dont offroad everyday,
> but i do the jeep jamboree every year along with moderate NH/Ma
> offroading every other month.
>
> I think that LSDs would be more than enough for my needs, but if 35"
> tires on a dana 35 with a limited slip will definetly NOT work, than i
> will consider something else.
> Thanks again,
> Derek Proctor
Nothing is definite. Many Jeeps run 33" or even 35" tires with lockers
on the Dana 35 and suffer no breakage. The key is how you drive.
The most common axle breaking situation, by far, is a steep climb on
rocks requiring heavy accelerator thus resulting in the tires bouncing
off the ground and coming down hard while spinning fast. A locker
multiplies the risk of breakage in that sort of situation. A LSD will
lock up when both tires have some traction, so in certain potential
break situations, it too will increase risk.
If you can avoid pedal pounding on steep and/or rough terrain, you may
well never break a Dana 35 axle with 35" tires and a True Trac. Just
remember that despite best intentions, it can be real hard to lay off
the pedal in heat of the moment. Worse yet, you'll alway have that
nagging worry that the next obstacle on the trail could be your last.
There are a few more expenses you should figure in when comparing costs
of keeping the Dana 35. First, budget for a set of spare axles from
the junkyard and make room in back to carry them. Having spares on hand
will make a broken axle significantly less painful.
Next, figure on some welding to firm up the flimsy Dana 35 housing. I
managed to spin my Dana 35 (open) pumpkin on the tubes last year when
hammering the gas in a vain attempt to get unstuck:
http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff1.jpg
This can be prevented by welding the cast pumpkin to the steel tubes.
Also, the tube walls of the Dana 35 are real thin and are known to bend
with even moderate offroad use. This can lead to big trouble. The
prevention for that is to weld a truss to the tubes or buy bolt-on solution:
http://www.superioraxle.com/pdffolder/super3truss.pdf
Myself, I'm glad I ditched the Dana 35. Do you really need those 35"
tires now or can you wait until spring? If you truly want to save money
and you have some spare time, do your axle research and pick up a
suitable rear (and maybe a front too) from the junkyard for a few
hundred. Look for deals on gears and lockers. Learn how to setup gears
and take your time to do a benchtop rebuild in your garage or basement
over the winter.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Derek Proctor wrote:
> So a detroit true-trac limited slip DEFINETLY will NOT work with 35s
> on the dana 35??? This is my most favoarable option (true-tracs front
> and rear), but i will bypass it if it definietly will not work. I
> understand that a Locker on dana 35 stock axle shafts is 100% out of
> the question with tires over 32-33", but how will a gear driven LSD
> work with 35s?
>
> ARBs sure are nice, but thats $1200+ for the rear locker/axle kit and
> compressor alone, not including the added labor for the complex
> installation it probably requires (i got a quote for true-tracs
> front/rear, gears front/rear, and install kits for about the same cost
> as an arb super 35 with compressor alone!). I dont offroad everyday,
> but i do the jeep jamboree every year along with moderate NH/Ma
> offroading every other month.
>
> I think that LSDs would be more than enough for my needs, but if 35"
> tires on a dana 35 with a limited slip will definetly NOT work, than i
> will consider something else.
> Thanks again,
> Derek Proctor
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
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Steve wrote:
>
> Hey Derek,
>
> Nothing is definite. Many Jeeps run 33" or even 35" tires with lockers
> on the Dana 35 and suffer no breakage. The key is how you drive.
>
> The most common axle breaking situation, by far, is a steep climb on
> rocks requiring heavy accelerator thus resulting in the tires bouncing
> off the ground and coming down hard while spinning fast. A locker
> multiplies the risk of breakage in that sort of situation. A LSD will
> lock up when both tires have some traction, so in certain potential
> break situations, it too will increase risk.
>
> If you can avoid pedal pounding on steep and/or rough terrain, you may
> well never break a Dana 35 axle with 35" tires and a True Trac. Just
> remember that despite best intentions, it can be real hard to lay off
> the pedal in heat of the moment. Worse yet, you'll alway have that
> nagging worry that the next obstacle on the trail could be your last.
>
> There are a few more expenses you should figure in when comparing costs
> of keeping the Dana 35. First, budget for a set of spare axles from
> the junkyard and make room in back to carry them. Having spares on hand
> will make a broken axle significantly less painful.
>
> Next, figure on some welding to firm up the flimsy Dana 35 housing. I
> managed to spin my Dana 35 (open) pumpkin on the tubes last year when
> hammering the gas in a vain attempt to get unstuck:
>
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff1.jpg
>
> This can be prevented by welding the cast pumpkin to the steel tubes.
> Also, the tube walls of the Dana 35 are real thin and are known to bend
> with even moderate offroad use. This can lead to big trouble. The
> prevention for that is to weld a truss to the tubes or buy bolt-on solution:
>
> http://www.superioraxle.com/pdffolder/super3truss.pdf
>
> Myself, I'm glad I ditched the Dana 35. Do you really need those 35"
> tires now or can you wait until spring? If you truly want to save money
> and you have some spare time, do your axle research and pick up a
> suitable rear (and maybe a front too) from the junkyard for a few
> hundred. Look for deals on gears and lockers. Learn how to setup gears
> and take your time to do a benchtop rebuild in your garage or basement
> over the winter.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve wrote:
>
> Hey Derek,
>
> Nothing is definite. Many Jeeps run 33" or even 35" tires with lockers
> on the Dana 35 and suffer no breakage. The key is how you drive.
>
> The most common axle breaking situation, by far, is a steep climb on
> rocks requiring heavy accelerator thus resulting in the tires bouncing
> off the ground and coming down hard while spinning fast. A locker
> multiplies the risk of breakage in that sort of situation. A LSD will
> lock up when both tires have some traction, so in certain potential
> break situations, it too will increase risk.
>
> If you can avoid pedal pounding on steep and/or rough terrain, you may
> well never break a Dana 35 axle with 35" tires and a True Trac. Just
> remember that despite best intentions, it can be real hard to lay off
> the pedal in heat of the moment. Worse yet, you'll alway have that
> nagging worry that the next obstacle on the trail could be your last.
>
> There are a few more expenses you should figure in when comparing costs
> of keeping the Dana 35. First, budget for a set of spare axles from
> the junkyard and make room in back to carry them. Having spares on hand
> will make a broken axle significantly less painful.
>
> Next, figure on some welding to firm up the flimsy Dana 35 housing. I
> managed to spin my Dana 35 (open) pumpkin on the tubes last year when
> hammering the gas in a vain attempt to get unstuck:
>
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff1.jpg
>
> This can be prevented by welding the cast pumpkin to the steel tubes.
> Also, the tube walls of the Dana 35 are real thin and are known to bend
> with even moderate offroad use. This can lead to big trouble. The
> prevention for that is to weld a truss to the tubes or buy bolt-on solution:
>
> http://www.superioraxle.com/pdffolder/super3truss.pdf
>
> Myself, I'm glad I ditched the Dana 35. Do you really need those 35"
> tires now or can you wait until spring? If you truly want to save money
> and you have some spare time, do your axle research and pick up a
> suitable rear (and maybe a front too) from the junkyard for a few
> hundred. Look for deals on gears and lockers. Learn how to setup gears
> and take your time to do a benchtop rebuild in your garage or basement
> over the winter.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff2.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Steve wrote:
>
> Hey Derek,
>
> Nothing is definite. Many Jeeps run 33" or even 35" tires with lockers
> on the Dana 35 and suffer no breakage. The key is how you drive.
>
> The most common axle breaking situation, by far, is a steep climb on
> rocks requiring heavy accelerator thus resulting in the tires bouncing
> off the ground and coming down hard while spinning fast. A locker
> multiplies the risk of breakage in that sort of situation. A LSD will
> lock up when both tires have some traction, so in certain potential
> break situations, it too will increase risk.
>
> If you can avoid pedal pounding on steep and/or rough terrain, you may
> well never break a Dana 35 axle with 35" tires and a True Trac. Just
> remember that despite best intentions, it can be real hard to lay off
> the pedal in heat of the moment. Worse yet, you'll alway have that
> nagging worry that the next obstacle on the trail could be your last.
>
> There are a few more expenses you should figure in when comparing costs
> of keeping the Dana 35. First, budget for a set of spare axles from
> the junkyard and make room in back to carry them. Having spares on hand
> will make a broken axle significantly less painful.
>
> Next, figure on some welding to firm up the flimsy Dana 35 housing. I
> managed to spin my Dana 35 (open) pumpkin on the tubes last year when
> hammering the gas in a vain attempt to get unstuck:
>
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff1.jpg
>
> This can be prevented by welding the cast pumpkin to the steel tubes.
> Also, the tube walls of the Dana 35 are real thin and are known to bend
> with even moderate offroad use. This can lead to big trouble. The
> prevention for that is to weld a truss to the tubes or buy bolt-on solution:
>
> http://www.superioraxle.com/pdffolder/super3truss.pdf
>
> Myself, I'm glad I ditched the Dana 35. Do you really need those 35"
> tires now or can you wait until spring? If you truly want to save money
> and you have some spare time, do your axle research and pick up a
> suitable rear (and maybe a front too) from the junkyard for a few
> hundred. Look for deals on gears and lockers. Learn how to setup gears
> and take your time to do a benchtop rebuild in your garage or basement
> over the winter.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Steve wrote:
>
> Hey Derek,
>
> Nothing is definite. Many Jeeps run 33" or even 35" tires with lockers
> on the Dana 35 and suffer no breakage. The key is how you drive.
>
> The most common axle breaking situation, by far, is a steep climb on
> rocks requiring heavy accelerator thus resulting in the tires bouncing
> off the ground and coming down hard while spinning fast. A locker
> multiplies the risk of breakage in that sort of situation. A LSD will
> lock up when both tires have some traction, so in certain potential
> break situations, it too will increase risk.
>
> If you can avoid pedal pounding on steep and/or rough terrain, you may
> well never break a Dana 35 axle with 35" tires and a True Trac. Just
> remember that despite best intentions, it can be real hard to lay off
> the pedal in heat of the moment. Worse yet, you'll alway have that
> nagging worry that the next obstacle on the trail could be your last.
>
> There are a few more expenses you should figure in when comparing costs
> of keeping the Dana 35. First, budget for a set of spare axles from
> the junkyard and make room in back to carry them. Having spares on hand
> will make a broken axle significantly less painful.
>
> Next, figure on some welding to firm up the flimsy Dana 35 housing. I
> managed to spin my Dana 35 (open) pumpkin on the tubes last year when
> hammering the gas in a vain attempt to get unstuck:
>
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff1.jpg
>
> This can be prevented by welding the cast pumpkin to the steel tubes.
> Also, the tube walls of the Dana 35 are real thin and are known to bend
> with even moderate offroad use. This can lead to big trouble. The
> prevention for that is to weld a truss to the tubes or buy bolt-on solution:
>
> http://www.superioraxle.com/pdffolder/super3truss.pdf
>
> Myself, I'm glad I ditched the Dana 35. Do you really need those 35"
> tires now or can you wait until spring? If you truly want to save money
> and you have some spare time, do your axle research and pick up a
> suitable rear (and maybe a front too) from the junkyard for a few
> hundred. Look for deals on gears and lockers. Learn how to setup gears
> and take your time to do a benchtop rebuild in your garage or basement
> over the winter.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff2.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Steve wrote:
>
> Hey Derek,
>
> Nothing is definite. Many Jeeps run 33" or even 35" tires with lockers
> on the Dana 35 and suffer no breakage. The key is how you drive.
>
> The most common axle breaking situation, by far, is a steep climb on
> rocks requiring heavy accelerator thus resulting in the tires bouncing
> off the ground and coming down hard while spinning fast. A locker
> multiplies the risk of breakage in that sort of situation. A LSD will
> lock up when both tires have some traction, so in certain potential
> break situations, it too will increase risk.
>
> If you can avoid pedal pounding on steep and/or rough terrain, you may
> well never break a Dana 35 axle with 35" tires and a True Trac. Just
> remember that despite best intentions, it can be real hard to lay off
> the pedal in heat of the moment. Worse yet, you'll alway have that
> nagging worry that the next obstacle on the trail could be your last.
>
> There are a few more expenses you should figure in when comparing costs
> of keeping the Dana 35. First, budget for a set of spare axles from
> the junkyard and make room in back to carry them. Having spares on hand
> will make a broken axle significantly less painful.
>
> Next, figure on some welding to firm up the flimsy Dana 35 housing. I
> managed to spin my Dana 35 (open) pumpkin on the tubes last year when
> hammering the gas in a vain attempt to get unstuck:
>
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff1.jpg
>
> This can be prevented by welding the cast pumpkin to the steel tubes.
> Also, the tube walls of the Dana 35 are real thin and are known to bend
> with even moderate offroad use. This can lead to big trouble. The
> prevention for that is to weld a truss to the tubes or buy bolt-on solution:
>
> http://www.superioraxle.com/pdffolder/super3truss.pdf
>
> Myself, I'm glad I ditched the Dana 35. Do you really need those 35"
> tires now or can you wait until spring? If you truly want to save money
> and you have some spare time, do your axle research and pick up a
> suitable rear (and maybe a front too) from the junkyard for a few
> hundred. Look for deals on gears and lockers. Learn how to setup gears
> and take your time to do a benchtop rebuild in your garage or basement
> over the winter.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve wrote:
>
> Hey Derek,
>
> Nothing is definite. Many Jeeps run 33" or even 35" tires with lockers
> on the Dana 35 and suffer no breakage. The key is how you drive.
>
> The most common axle breaking situation, by far, is a steep climb on
> rocks requiring heavy accelerator thus resulting in the tires bouncing
> off the ground and coming down hard while spinning fast. A locker
> multiplies the risk of breakage in that sort of situation. A LSD will
> lock up when both tires have some traction, so in certain potential
> break situations, it too will increase risk.
>
> If you can avoid pedal pounding on steep and/or rough terrain, you may
> well never break a Dana 35 axle with 35" tires and a True Trac. Just
> remember that despite best intentions, it can be real hard to lay off
> the pedal in heat of the moment. Worse yet, you'll alway have that
> nagging worry that the next obstacle on the trail could be your last.
>
> There are a few more expenses you should figure in when comparing costs
> of keeping the Dana 35. First, budget for a set of spare axles from
> the junkyard and make room in back to carry them. Having spares on hand
> will make a broken axle significantly less painful.
>
> Next, figure on some welding to firm up the flimsy Dana 35 housing. I
> managed to spin my Dana 35 (open) pumpkin on the tubes last year when
> hammering the gas in a vain attempt to get unstuck:
>
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org/spundiff1.jpg
>
> This can be prevented by welding the cast pumpkin to the steel tubes.
> Also, the tube walls of the Dana 35 are real thin and are known to bend
> with even moderate offroad use. This can lead to big trouble. The
> prevention for that is to weld a truss to the tubes or buy bolt-on solution:
>
> http://www.superioraxle.com/pdffolder/super3truss.pdf
>
> Myself, I'm glad I ditched the Dana 35. Do you really need those 35"
> tires now or can you wait until spring? If you truly want to save money
> and you have some spare time, do your axle research and pick up a
> suitable rear (and maybe a front too) from the junkyard for a few
> hundred. Look for deals on gears and lockers. Learn how to setup gears
> and take your time to do a benchtop rebuild in your garage or basement
> over the winter.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
Made you look.
Steve
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Steve
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L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
Made you look.
Steve
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L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
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Steve
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L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
Made you look.
Steve
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L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
In your other picture, it wasn't obvious to me that the housing had
rotated, all it told me is you hadn't converted to Real Jeep U-bolts,
yet: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/aub.html
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Steve wrote:
>
> Made you look.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
rotated, all it told me is you hadn't converted to Real Jeep U-bolts,
yet: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/aub.html
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Steve wrote:
>
> Made you look.
>
> Steve
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
In your other picture, it wasn't obvious to me that the housing had
rotated, all it told me is you hadn't converted to Real Jeep U-bolts,
yet: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/aub.html
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Steve wrote:
>
> Made you look.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
rotated, all it told me is you hadn't converted to Real Jeep U-bolts,
yet: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/aub.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Steve wrote:
>
> Made you look.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
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Re: Jeep TJ dana 35 with limited slip and 35s? can it be done?
In your other picture, it wasn't obvious to me that the housing had
rotated, all it told me is you hadn't converted to Real Jeep U-bolts,
yet: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/aub.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve wrote:
>
> Made you look.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
rotated, all it told me is you hadn't converted to Real Jeep U-bolts,
yet: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/aub.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Steve wrote:
>
> Made you look.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
