Jeep Realiability
#81
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Re: Jeep Realiability
No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the 51st
State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
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> In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
>
> >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
>
> Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
> In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
>
> >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
>
> Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
#82
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Re: Jeep Realiability
No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the 51st
State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
> In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
>
> >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
>
> Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
> In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
>
> >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
>
> Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
#83
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Re: Jeep Realiability
Hey, you don't spend 400 million in a few days :-) [bitter laugh]
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
: <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
:
: >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
would
: >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
: >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
: >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
: >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
: >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
: >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
400
: >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
: >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
decided
: >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
: >allegedly.
: >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
be
: >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
:
: I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
: building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
: finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
:
:
:
: >
: >Dave Milne, Scotland
: >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
: >Dumfries,
: >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
: >:
: >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >:
: >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >: >
: >: > --
: >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: >
: >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
be
: >: able
: >: > to
: >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: >: it'll
: >: > : start every time!
: >: > :
: >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: >: > :
: >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
where
: >: they
: >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
substantial
: >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: >: > electrolytic
: >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
engines
: >: are
: >: > : crap
: >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
: >Buick
: >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
: >second
: >: > : hand
: >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
: >two
: >: > days
: >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
: >owner
: >: > : with
: >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
: >When
: >: a
: >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
something
: >: > wrong
: >: > : !
: >: > : >
: >: > : > --
: >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : >
: >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
our
: >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
now
: >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
: >some
: >: of
: >: > : the
: >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
15
: >: > years,
: >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
leaks,
: >: > : > electrical
: >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: >: broken
: >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
Jaguar
: >: > : > engineer,
: >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
??
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: >: (Daily
: >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
Reliability
: >: > index"
: >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
miles.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
£275
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 16%
: >: > : > : > : failure rate.
: >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
32%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate
: >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
20%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate)
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
: >and
: >: a
: >: > : 44%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
£1040
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 21%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill
: >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
since
: >the
: >: > : > highest
: >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
makes
: >me
: >: > : wonder
: >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
makes
: >: > sense.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Gyp
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > :
: >: > : >
: >: > : >
: >: > :
: >: > :
: >: >
: >: >
: >:
: >:
: >
:
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
: <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
:
: >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
would
: >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
: >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
: >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
: >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
: >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
: >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
400
: >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
: >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
decided
: >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
: >allegedly.
: >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
be
: >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
:
: I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
: building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
: finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
:
:
:
: >
: >Dave Milne, Scotland
: >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
: >Dumfries,
: >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
: >:
: >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >:
: >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >: >
: >: > --
: >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: >
: >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
be
: >: able
: >: > to
: >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: >: it'll
: >: > : start every time!
: >: > :
: >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: >: > :
: >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
where
: >: they
: >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
substantial
: >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: >: > electrolytic
: >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
engines
: >: are
: >: > : crap
: >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
: >Buick
: >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
: >second
: >: > : hand
: >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
: >two
: >: > days
: >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
: >owner
: >: > : with
: >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
: >When
: >: a
: >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
something
: >: > wrong
: >: > : !
: >: > : >
: >: > : > --
: >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : >
: >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
our
: >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
now
: >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
: >some
: >: of
: >: > : the
: >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
15
: >: > years,
: >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
leaks,
: >: > : > electrical
: >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: >: broken
: >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
Jaguar
: >: > : > engineer,
: >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
??
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: >: (Daily
: >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
Reliability
: >: > index"
: >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
miles.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
£275
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 16%
: >: > : > : > : failure rate.
: >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
32%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate
: >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
20%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate)
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
: >and
: >: a
: >: > : 44%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
£1040
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 21%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill
: >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
since
: >the
: >: > : > highest
: >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
makes
: >me
: >: > : wonder
: >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
makes
: >: > sense.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Gyp
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > :
: >: > : >
: >: > : >
: >: > :
: >: > :
: >: >
: >: >
: >:
: >:
: >
:
#84
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Realiability
Hey, you don't spend 400 million in a few days :-) [bitter laugh]
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
: <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
:
: >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
would
: >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
: >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
: >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
: >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
: >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
: >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
400
: >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
: >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
decided
: >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
: >allegedly.
: >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
be
: >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
:
: I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
: building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
: finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
:
:
:
: >
: >Dave Milne, Scotland
: >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
: >Dumfries,
: >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
: >:
: >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >:
: >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >: >
: >: > --
: >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: >
: >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
be
: >: able
: >: > to
: >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: >: it'll
: >: > : start every time!
: >: > :
: >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: >: > :
: >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
where
: >: they
: >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
substantial
: >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: >: > electrolytic
: >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
engines
: >: are
: >: > : crap
: >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
: >Buick
: >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
: >second
: >: > : hand
: >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
: >two
: >: > days
: >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
: >owner
: >: > : with
: >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
: >When
: >: a
: >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
something
: >: > wrong
: >: > : !
: >: > : >
: >: > : > --
: >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : >
: >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
our
: >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
now
: >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
: >some
: >: of
: >: > : the
: >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
15
: >: > years,
: >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
leaks,
: >: > : > electrical
: >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: >: broken
: >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
Jaguar
: >: > : > engineer,
: >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
??
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: >: (Daily
: >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
Reliability
: >: > index"
: >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
miles.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
£275
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 16%
: >: > : > : > : failure rate.
: >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
32%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate
: >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
20%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate)
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
: >and
: >: a
: >: > : 44%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
£1040
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 21%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill
: >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
since
: >the
: >: > : > highest
: >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
makes
: >me
: >: > : wonder
: >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
makes
: >: > sense.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Gyp
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > :
: >: > : >
: >: > : >
: >: > :
: >: > :
: >: >
: >: >
: >:
: >:
: >
:
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
: <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
:
: >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
would
: >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
: >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
: >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
: >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
: >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
: >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
400
: >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
: >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
decided
: >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
: >allegedly.
: >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
be
: >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
:
: I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
: building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
: finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
:
:
:
: >
: >Dave Milne, Scotland
: >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
: >Dumfries,
: >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
: >:
: >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >:
: >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >: >
: >: > --
: >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: >
: >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
be
: >: able
: >: > to
: >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: >: it'll
: >: > : start every time!
: >: > :
: >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: >: > :
: >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
where
: >: they
: >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
substantial
: >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: >: > electrolytic
: >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
engines
: >: are
: >: > : crap
: >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
: >Buick
: >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
: >second
: >: > : hand
: >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
: >two
: >: > days
: >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
: >owner
: >: > : with
: >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
: >When
: >: a
: >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
something
: >: > wrong
: >: > : !
: >: > : >
: >: > : > --
: >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : >
: >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
our
: >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
now
: >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
: >some
: >: of
: >: > : the
: >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
15
: >: > years,
: >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
leaks,
: >: > : > electrical
: >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: >: broken
: >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
Jaguar
: >: > : > engineer,
: >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
??
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: >: (Daily
: >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
Reliability
: >: > index"
: >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
miles.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
£275
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 16%
: >: > : > : > : failure rate.
: >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
32%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate
: >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
20%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate)
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
: >and
: >: a
: >: > : 44%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
£1040
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 21%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill
: >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
since
: >the
: >: > : > highest
: >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
makes
: >me
: >: > : wonder
: >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
makes
: >: > sense.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Gyp
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > :
: >: > : >
: >: > : >
: >: > :
: >: > :
: >: >
: >: >
: >:
: >:
: >
:
#85
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Realiability
Hey, you don't spend 400 million in a few days :-) [bitter laugh]
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
: <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
:
: >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
would
: >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
: >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
: >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
: >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
: >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
: >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
400
: >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
: >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
decided
: >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
: >allegedly.
: >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
be
: >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
:
: I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
: building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
: finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
:
:
:
: >
: >Dave Milne, Scotland
: >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
: >Dumfries,
: >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
: >:
: >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >:
: >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >: >
: >: > --
: >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: >
: >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
be
: >: able
: >: > to
: >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: >: it'll
: >: > : start every time!
: >: > :
: >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: >: > :
: >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
where
: >: they
: >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
substantial
: >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: >: > electrolytic
: >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
engines
: >: are
: >: > : crap
: >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
: >Buick
: >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
: >second
: >: > : hand
: >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
: >two
: >: > days
: >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
: >owner
: >: > : with
: >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
: >When
: >: a
: >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
something
: >: > wrong
: >: > : !
: >: > : >
: >: > : > --
: >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : >
: >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
our
: >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
now
: >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
: >some
: >: of
: >: > : the
: >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
15
: >: > years,
: >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
leaks,
: >: > : > electrical
: >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: >: broken
: >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
Jaguar
: >: > : > engineer,
: >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
??
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: >: (Daily
: >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
Reliability
: >: > index"
: >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
miles.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
£275
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 16%
: >: > : > : > : failure rate.
: >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
32%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate
: >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
20%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate)
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
: >and
: >: a
: >: > : 44%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
£1040
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 21%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill
: >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
since
: >the
: >: > : > highest
: >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
makes
: >me
: >: > : wonder
: >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
makes
: >: > sense.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Gyp
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > :
: >: > : >
: >: > : >
: >: > :
: >: > :
: >: >
: >: >
: >:
: >:
: >
:
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
: <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
:
: >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
would
: >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
: >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
: >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
: >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
: >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
: >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
400
: >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
: >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
decided
: >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
: >allegedly.
: >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
be
: >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
:
: I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
: building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
: finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
:
:
:
: >
: >Dave Milne, Scotland
: >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
: >Dumfries,
: >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
: >:
: >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >:
: >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >: >
: >: > --
: >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: >
: >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
be
: >: able
: >: > to
: >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: >: it'll
: >: > : start every time!
: >: > :
: >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: >: > :
: >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
where
: >: they
: >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
substantial
: >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: >: > electrolytic
: >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
engines
: >: are
: >: > : crap
: >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
: >Buick
: >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
: >second
: >: > : hand
: >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
: >two
: >: > days
: >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
: >owner
: >: > : with
: >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
: >When
: >: a
: >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
something
: >: > wrong
: >: > : !
: >: > : >
: >: > : > --
: >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : >
: >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
our
: >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
now
: >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
: >some
: >: of
: >: > : the
: >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
15
: >: > years,
: >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
leaks,
: >: > : > electrical
: >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: >: broken
: >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
Jaguar
: >: > : > engineer,
: >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
??
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: >: (Daily
: >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
Reliability
: >: > index"
: >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
miles.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
£275
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 16%
: >: > : > : > : failure rate.
: >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
32%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate
: >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
20%
: >: > failure
: >: > : > : rate)
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
: >and
: >: a
: >: > : 44%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
£1040
: >: and
: >: > a
: >: > : > 21%
: >: > : > : > : repair bill
: >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
with
: >an
: >: > : > average
: >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
since
: >the
: >: > : > highest
: >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
makes
: >me
: >: > : wonder
: >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
makes
: >: > sense.
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : Gyp
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: >: > : > : > : --
: >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: >: > : > : > :
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > : >
: >: > : > :
: >: > : > :
: >: > : >
: >: > : >
: >: > :
: >: > :
: >: >
: >: >
: >:
: >:
: >
:
#86
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Re: Jeep Realiability
Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
nearer the mark..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnuhhbkhcq4091@corp.supernews.com...
: No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the
51st
: State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
: genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
:
: "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
: news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
: > In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
: > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
: >
: > >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >
: > Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:
In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
nearer the mark..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnuhhbkhcq4091@corp.supernews.com...
: No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the
51st
: State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
: genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
:
: "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
: news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
: > In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
: > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
: >
: > >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >
: > Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:
#87
Guest
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Re: Jeep Realiability
Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
nearer the mark..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnuhhbkhcq4091@corp.supernews.com...
: No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the
51st
: State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
: genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
:
: "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
: news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
: > In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
: > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
: >
: > >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >
: > Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:
In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
nearer the mark..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnuhhbkhcq4091@corp.supernews.com...
: No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the
51st
: State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
: genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
:
: "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
: news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
: > In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
: > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
: >
: > >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >
: > Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:
#88
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Realiability
Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
nearer the mark..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnuhhbkhcq4091@corp.supernews.com...
: No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the
51st
: State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
: genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
:
: "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
: news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
: > In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
: > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
: >
: > >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >
: > Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:
In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
nearer the mark..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnuhhbkhcq4091@corp.supernews.com...
: No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the
51st
: State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
: genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
:
: "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
: news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
: > In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
: > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
: >
: > >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
: >
: > Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:
#89
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Re: Jeep Realiability
As compared to to us arrogant, boisterous Americans?
Just ask the Franch! ;)
Dave Milne wrote:
> Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
> In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
> nearer the mark..
Just ask the Franch! ;)
Dave Milne wrote:
> Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
> In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
> nearer the mark..
#90
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Realiability
As compared to to us arrogant, boisterous Americans?
Just ask the Franch! ;)
Dave Milne wrote:
> Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
> In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
> nearer the mark..
Just ask the Franch! ;)
Dave Milne wrote:
> Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
> In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
> nearer the mark..