That's the point I'm trying to make, thanks.

YJ wrote:

> TEXAS.
>
> But iffy at best. A friend of mine was awakened by someone stealing bricks
> (yes, BRICKS) from his yard. He leaned out the window and put a 30.06
> through the guys head. That stopped the theft. He almost bankrupted himself
> with lawyers fees to get out of it. The big thing in Texas is if the sun has
> gone down. Thats the rub. Dark, you're probably OK, with lawyers fees....
> Daylight, only if your life is endangered.
>
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:TMu2b.3547$UW7.1764@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
>
>>Which state allows using deadly force when life isn't endangered???
>>
>>Bob Casanova wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:27:38 GMT, the following appeared in
>>>rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by kevin
>>><kevin@el.net>:
>>>
>>>Check your state laws, but I believe you'll find that *no*
>>>state allows unattended booby traps. And using lethal force
>>>when life isn't endangered is also usually a no-no, although
>>>this varies by state.
>>
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>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
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>
>
>

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True, but then horse has to be hung...oh, wait a minute...

YJ wrote:

> Or trees.
>
>
> "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VOx2b.5196$uZ6.350375@twister.socal.rr.com...
>
>>In Texas as the rest of the west there once was a time when you hung from
>
> a
>
>>tree for stealing a horse.....Not too many horses got stolen either.......
>>
>>"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
>>news:moomesa-6CBA4D.16400325082003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
>>
>>>In article <1kv2b.34498$la.467682@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>,
>>> "JeepTJ" <jeeptj@shaw.caNOSPAM> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I can almost understand if someone is stealing to feed their family
>>
>>(milk,
>>
>>>>bread, etc). But you can't feed jeep parts to your son. That guy
>>
>>should be
>>
>>>>shot in the back.
>>>>
>>>>My 2 cents.
>>>
>>>Your 2 cents equals murder.
>>>
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True, but then horse has to be hung...oh, wait a minute...

YJ wrote:

> Or trees.
>
>
> "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VOx2b.5196$uZ6.350375@twister.socal.rr.com...
>
>>In Texas as the rest of the west there once was a time when you hung from
>
> a
>
>>tree for stealing a horse.....Not too many horses got stolen either.......
>>
>>"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
>>news:moomesa-6CBA4D.16400325082003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
>>
>>>In article <1kv2b.34498$la.467682@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>,
>>> "JeepTJ" <jeeptj@shaw.caNOSPAM> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I can almost understand if someone is stealing to feed their family
>>
>>(milk,
>>
>>>>bread, etc). But you can't feed jeep parts to your son. That guy
>>
>>should be
>>
>>>>shot in the back.
>>>>
>>>>My 2 cents.
>>>
>>>Your 2 cents equals murder.
>>>
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>

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How's that Rebel Flag look on the back of a Jeep anyway? :)

Russ B wrote:

> If more of us Texans would shoot these ********, the crime rate would go
> down. Too many people these days have ZERO respect for other people's
> property. Sure the DA MIGHT try to charge you, but in most cases you'll
> walk if you use lethal force to prevent a crime of this type...My main
> concern is that all the yankees, criminals, and foreigners will get our laws
> changed.
>
> RB


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How's that Rebel Flag look on the back of a Jeep anyway? :)

Russ B wrote:

> If more of us Texans would shoot these ********, the crime rate would go
> down. Too many people these days have ZERO respect for other people's
> property. Sure the DA MIGHT try to charge you, but in most cases you'll
> walk if you use lethal force to prevent a crime of this type...My main
> concern is that all the yankees, criminals, and foreigners will get our laws
> changed.
>
> RB


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Gee, I always thought it took two. Or three...or...

Joe wrote:

> "shooting a man and your wife if you caught them in bed together was
> justifiable
> homicide"
> You see something wrond with this? Maybe 60% of women wouldn't cheat on
> their husbands if this was allowed.

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Gee, I always thought it took two. Or three...or...

Joe wrote:

> "shooting a man and your wife if you caught them in bed together was
> justifiable
> homicide"
> You see something wrond with this? Maybe 60% of women wouldn't cheat on
> their husbands if this was allowed.

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In article <1BI2b.57$1h2.32@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
twaldron <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect
land or tangible, movable property:

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the
land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk
of death or serious bodily injury.

Read it again.

IOW He may use deadly force if he believes any other type of force would
put him at risk of death or serious bodily injury.

This is on the tests for CHL. I carry with a CHL.


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In article <1BI2b.57$1h2.32@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
twaldron <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect
land or tangible, movable property:

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the
land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk
of death or serious bodily injury.

Read it again.

IOW He may use deadly force if he believes any other type of force would
put him at risk of death or serious bodily injury.

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In article <PBK2b.91$1h2.77@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
twaldron <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:

> We are saying the same thing here. IF there is risk of harm, deadly
> force is permitted in Texas. Also, if the crime occurs at night.
>
> Someone had posted that there were states that allow the use of deadly
> force WITHOUT risk of bodily injury. I asked which states that would be
> and several people responded with Texas.
>
> I still contend that if you shoot and kill someone that is stealing from
> your property, in daylight, in Texas, WITHOUT risk of bodily injury, you
> will be prosecuted.

Perhaps. But even in daylight, if one tried to stop a theft, it would be
difficult to not incur the threat of bodily injury.

I'm at home, on my ranch, on a Saturday afternoon. I look out my window,
and two guys are stealing tools/cattle/tractor/truck/Jeep. I want to
keep this stuff. I am going to grab a gun and a cell phone (most likely
my short shotgun & my carry pistol) and I'm going outside to stop them.

I call the sheriff first on the cell and leave the line open.

I appear and ask them to cease and disist.

If they hit the deck and scream "don't shoot". Correct response.

If they run, empty handed. Correct response.

If they run, with goods, I persue, armed.

If they approach me. Wrong response.

If they continue loading cattle. Wrong response if they enter the
vehicle.

If they start the tractor's engine. Wrong response.

The very act of stopping them incurs the risk of bodily injury.

The nighttime scenario simply makes is harder to judge what they might
or might not be doing, enabling leeway in the response.


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