"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message
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> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
>
> the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient
> refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it
> in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing
> refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible
> is foolish at best.
>
> --
> Nathan In Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://HiPowerTalk.com
>

I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C
class back in 1987.
Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative
class.
I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars.

By the way, when you coming back home?

Spdloader

 

"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message
news:7Z-dncCqyttG1v3bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@bresnan.com...
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
>
> the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient
> refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it
> in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing
> refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible
> is foolish at best.
>
> --
> Nathan In Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://HiPowerTalk.com
>

I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C
class back in 1987.
Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative
class.
I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars.

By the way, when you coming back home?

Spdloader

 

"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message
news:7Z-dncCqyttG1v3bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@bresnan.com...
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
>
> the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient
> refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it
> in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing
> refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible
> is foolish at best.
>
> --
> Nathan In Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://HiPowerTalk.com
>

I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C
class back in 1987.
Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative
class.
I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars.

By the way, when you coming back home?

Spdloader

 

> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible
> refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either
> application.

Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service
it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when
the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you.


In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com
says...
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works,
> > just isnt very cold.
>
> you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to

Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea
markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so
cheap.

> convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy
> conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
> well IF your leak is due to gasket failure.

Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as
well.

Repost of something I wrote a few days ago:
------------------
The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is
something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk
yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c
system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it.
I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special
filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In
my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost
of real service and repair up.

A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf
------------------
Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system.


> dont worry about the loss of
> efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and
> the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.
>
> ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
> in this case i will.

And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you
intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any
recovery equipment...

 

> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible
> refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either
> application.

Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service
it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when
the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you.


In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com
says...
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works,
> > just isnt very cold.
>
> you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to

Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea
markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so
cheap.

> convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy
> conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
> well IF your leak is due to gasket failure.

Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as
well.

Repost of something I wrote a few days ago:
------------------
The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is
something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk
yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c
system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it.
I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special
filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In
my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost
of real service and repair up.

A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf
------------------
Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system.


> dont worry about the loss of
> efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and
> the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.
>
> ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
> in this case i will.

And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you
intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any
recovery equipment...

 

> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible
> refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either
> application.

Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service
it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when
the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you.


In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com
says...
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works,
> > just isnt very cold.
>
> you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to

Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea
markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so
cheap.

> convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy
> conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
> well IF your leak is due to gasket failure.

Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as
well.

Repost of something I wrote a few days ago:
------------------
The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is
something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk
yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c
system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it.
I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special
filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In
my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost
of real service and repair up.

A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf
------------------
Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system.


> dont worry about the loss of
> efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and
> the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.
>
> ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
> in this case i will.

And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you
intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any
recovery equipment...

 

> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible
> refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either
> application.

Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service
it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when
the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you.


In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com
says...
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works,
> > just isnt very cold.
>
> you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to

Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea
markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so
cheap.

> convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy
> conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
> well IF your leak is due to gasket failure.

Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as
well.

Repost of something I wrote a few days ago:
------------------
The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is
something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk
yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c
system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it.
I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special
filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In
my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost
of real service and repair up.

A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf
------------------
Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system.


> dont worry about the loss of
> efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and
> the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.
>
> ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
> in this case i will.

And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you
intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any
recovery equipment...

 

"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com...
> In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says...
>>
>> >
>> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>> >
>> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>> >
>> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>> >
>>
>> Mike,
>> Just a little tidbit of info.
>> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C
>> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants.
>> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
>> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already
>> pressurized
>> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous
>> environment.
>
> Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger
> cabin?
>
> Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing?
>
> Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a
> evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin?
>
> Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger
> cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c
> system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand.
> Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger
> anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service
> the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade.
> Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system
> is nothing short of stupid.
>

Were you replying to me?

Spdloader

 

"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com...
> In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says...
>>
>> >
>> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>> >
>> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>> >
>> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>> >
>>
>> Mike,
>> Just a little tidbit of info.
>> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C
>> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants.
>> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
>> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already
>> pressurized
>> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous
>> environment.
>
> Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger
> cabin?
>
> Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing?
>
> Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a
> evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin?
>
> Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger
> cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c
> system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand.
> Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger
> anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service
> the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade.
> Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system
> is nothing short of stupid.
>

Were you replying to me?

Spdloader

 

"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com...
> In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says...
>>
>> >
>> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>> >
>> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>> >
>> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>> >
>>
>> Mike,
>> Just a little tidbit of info.
>> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C
>> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants.
>> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
>> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already
>> pressurized
>> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous
>> environment.
>
> Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger
> cabin?
>
> Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing?
>
> Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a
> evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin?
>
> Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger
> cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c
> system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand.
> Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger
> anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service
> the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade.
> Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system
> is nothing short of stupid.
>

Were you replying to me?

Spdloader