Re: Jeep more enviromentally friendly was Re: Hybrids?
 

So I am driving an economy car now?

Earle

"FrankW" <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote in message
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> check out this site
>
> http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=59574&pg=1
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Vito wrote:
> >
> >>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote
> >>
> >>>>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging
on
> >>>>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has
"lots of
> >>>>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the
technology but
> >>>>here is my question.
> >>>>
> >>>>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> >>>>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
> >>>>
> >>>>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
Yukon?
> >>>>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that
be a
> >>>>home run for conservation? ....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
> >>>RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
> >>>Durango and BMW with ?
> >>>
> >>>I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing ....
> >>
> >>I suspect you are right.
> >>
> >>"Hybrid" involves using a gasoline engine to make electricity that
drives the
> >>car. It does save gas whenever, but only whenever, your car is idling
at a stop
> >>or going very slowly. The mfgrs use it in small cars that are commonly
used in
> >>such heavy traffic situations. But the multiple energy conversion
(chemical ->
> >>mechanical -> electric -> chemical (battery) -> electric -> mechanical)
uses
> >>more gas in highway driving so it'll prolly prove unpopular in "highway"
> >>applications.
> >>
> >>My 1957 Renault Dauphine got 42-45 MPG and my 1967 Fairlane got 18-21
MPG with a
> >>small V8 and auto trans. but, thanks to "smog" laws that went into
effect in
> >>1970, my buddy's 1972 Dodge with similar motor and tranny only gor
12-15MPG.
> >>Wonder what the Renault could have done with a modern computer managed
FI
> >>engine???
> >
> >
> > Yup, what a snow job. The original 70's Honda Civic got 50 mpg if you
> > drove it easy, same for the Austin Mini and they both went like scalded
> > cats when tuned nice. I got clocked at 132 mph in one Mini I owned and
> > it wasn't tached out.
> >
> > I was as the Canadian Road Race of Champions on a Mosport track in the
> > 70's and a Mini and Civic were nose and nose at the finish. They had
> > lapped 3rd place which was a Porsche Turbo Carrera with a Vett or Camaro
> > bringing up a dismal 4th.
> >
> > I got a nice 25% increase in fuel mileage up to 23 mpg in my CJ7 when I
> > killed the 'emissions' computer and it still has really low emissions
> > numbers.
> >
> > The new engines are pigs in comparison.
> >
> > Mike
>

Re: Jeep more enviromentally friendly was Re: Hybrids?
 

So I am driving an economy car now?

Earle

"FrankW" <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote in message
news:H6mdndV86fUmjtDZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@magma.ca...
> check out this site
>
> http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=59574&pg=1
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Vito wrote:
> >
> >>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote
> >>
> >>>>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging
on
> >>>>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has
"lots of
> >>>>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the
technology but
> >>>>here is my question.
> >>>>
> >>>>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> >>>>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
> >>>>
> >>>>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
Yukon?
> >>>>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that
be a
> >>>>home run for conservation? ....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
> >>>RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
> >>>Durango and BMW with ?
> >>>
> >>>I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing ....
> >>
> >>I suspect you are right.
> >>
> >>"Hybrid" involves using a gasoline engine to make electricity that
drives the
> >>car. It does save gas whenever, but only whenever, your car is idling
at a stop
> >>or going very slowly. The mfgrs use it in small cars that are commonly
used in
> >>such heavy traffic situations. But the multiple energy conversion
(chemical ->
> >>mechanical -> electric -> chemical (battery) -> electric -> mechanical)
uses
> >>more gas in highway driving so it'll prolly prove unpopular in "highway"
> >>applications.
> >>
> >>My 1957 Renault Dauphine got 42-45 MPG and my 1967 Fairlane got 18-21
MPG with a
> >>small V8 and auto trans. but, thanks to "smog" laws that went into
effect in
> >>1970, my buddy's 1972 Dodge with similar motor and tranny only gor
12-15MPG.
> >>Wonder what the Renault could have done with a modern computer managed
FI
> >>engine???
> >
> >
> > Yup, what a snow job. The original 70's Honda Civic got 50 mpg if you
> > drove it easy, same for the Austin Mini and they both went like scalded
> > cats when tuned nice. I got clocked at 132 mph in one Mini I owned and
> > it wasn't tached out.
> >
> > I was as the Canadian Road Race of Champions on a Mosport track in the
> > 70's and a Mini and Civic were nose and nose at the finish. They had
> > lapped 3rd place which was a Porsche Turbo Carrera with a Vett or Camaro
> > bringing up a dismal 4th.
> >
> > I got a nice 25% increase in fuel mileage up to 23 mpg in my CJ7 when I
> > killed the 'emissions' computer and it still has really low emissions
> > numbers.
> >
> > The new engines are pigs in comparison.
> >
> > Mike
>

Re: Jeep more enviromentally friendly was Re: Hybrids?
 

We get 23 mpg in our CJ7 and 26 or more highway in our Cherokee which
fits most mid sized cars, not big SUV's....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> So I am driving an economy car now?
>
> Earle
>
> "FrankW" <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:H6mdndV86fUmjtDZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@magma.ca...
> > check out this site
> >
> > http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=59574&pg=1
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > Vito wrote:
> > >
> > >>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote
> > >>
> > >>>>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging
> on
> > >>>>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has
> "lots of
> > >>>>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the
> technology but
> > >>>>here is my question.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> > >>>>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
> Yukon?
> > >>>>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that
> be a
> > >>>>home run for conservation? ....
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
> > >>>RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
> > >>>Durango and BMW with ?
> > >>>
> > >>>I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing ....
> > >>
> > >>I suspect you are right.
> > >>
> > >>"Hybrid" involves using a gasoline engine to make electricity that
> drives the
> > >>car. It does save gas whenever, but only whenever, your car is idling
> at a stop
> > >>or going very slowly. The mfgrs use it in small cars that are commonly
> used in
> > >>such heavy traffic situations. But the multiple energy conversion
> (chemical ->
> > >>mechanical -> electric -> chemical (battery) -> electric -> mechanical)
> uses
> > >>more gas in highway driving so it'll prolly prove unpopular in "highway"
> > >>applications.
> > >>
> > >>My 1957 Renault Dauphine got 42-45 MPG and my 1967 Fairlane got 18-21
> MPG with a
> > >>small V8 and auto trans. but, thanks to "smog" laws that went into
> effect in
> > >>1970, my buddy's 1972 Dodge with similar motor and tranny only gor
> 12-15MPG.
> > >>Wonder what the Renault could have done with a modern computer managed
> FI
> > >>engine???
> > >
> > >
> > > Yup, what a snow job. The original 70's Honda Civic got 50 mpg if you
> > > drove it easy, same for the Austin Mini and they both went like scalded
> > > cats when tuned nice. I got clocked at 132 mph in one Mini I owned and
> > > it wasn't tached out.
> > >
> > > I was as the Canadian Road Race of Champions on a Mosport track in the
> > > 70's and a Mini and Civic were nose and nose at the finish. They had
> > > lapped 3rd place which was a Porsche Turbo Carrera with a Vett or Camaro
> > > bringing up a dismal 4th.
> > >
> > > I got a nice 25% increase in fuel mileage up to 23 mpg in my CJ7 when I
> > > killed the 'emissions' computer and it still has really low emissions
> > > numbers.
> > >
> > > The new engines are pigs in comparison.
> > >
> > > Mike
> >

Re: Jeep more enviromentally friendly was Re: Hybrids?
 

We get 23 mpg in our CJ7 and 26 or more highway in our Cherokee which
fits most mid sized cars, not big SUV's....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> So I am driving an economy car now?
>
> Earle
>
> "FrankW" <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:H6mdndV86fUmjtDZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@magma.ca...
> > check out this site
> >
> > http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=59574&pg=1
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > Vito wrote:
> > >
> > >>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote
> > >>
> > >>>>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging
> on
> > >>>>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has
> "lots of
> > >>>>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the
> technology but
> > >>>>here is my question.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> > >>>>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
> Yukon?
> > >>>>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that
> be a
> > >>>>home run for conservation? ....
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
> > >>>RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
> > >>>Durango and BMW with ?
> > >>>
> > >>>I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing ....
> > >>
> > >>I suspect you are right.
> > >>
> > >>"Hybrid" involves using a gasoline engine to make electricity that
> drives the
> > >>car. It does save gas whenever, but only whenever, your car is idling
> at a stop
> > >>or going very slowly. The mfgrs use it in small cars that are commonly
> used in
> > >>such heavy traffic situations. But the multiple energy conversion
> (chemical ->
> > >>mechanical -> electric -> chemical (battery) -> electric -> mechanical)
> uses
> > >>more gas in highway driving so it'll prolly prove unpopular in "highway"
> > >>applications.
> > >>
> > >>My 1957 Renault Dauphine got 42-45 MPG and my 1967 Fairlane got 18-21
> MPG with a
> > >>small V8 and auto trans. but, thanks to "smog" laws that went into
> effect in
> > >>1970, my buddy's 1972 Dodge with similar motor and tranny only gor
> 12-15MPG.
> > >>Wonder what the Renault could have done with a modern computer managed
> FI
> > >>engine???
> > >
> > >
> > > Yup, what a snow job. The original 70's Honda Civic got 50 mpg if you
> > > drove it easy, same for the Austin Mini and they both went like scalded
> > > cats when tuned nice. I got clocked at 132 mph in one Mini I owned and
> > > it wasn't tached out.
> > >
> > > I was as the Canadian Road Race of Champions on a Mosport track in the
> > > 70's and a Mini and Civic were nose and nose at the finish. They had
> > > lapped 3rd place which was a Porsche Turbo Carrera with a Vett or Camaro
> > > bringing up a dismal 4th.
> > >
> > > I got a nice 25% increase in fuel mileage up to 23 mpg in my CJ7 when I
> > > killed the 'emissions' computer and it still has really low emissions
> > > numbers.
> > >
> > > The new engines are pigs in comparison.
> > >
> > > Mike
> >

Re: Jeep more enviromentally friendly was Re: Hybrids?
 

We get 23 mpg in our CJ7 and 26 or more highway in our Cherokee which
fits most mid sized cars, not big SUV's....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> So I am driving an economy car now?
>
> Earle
>
> "FrankW" <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:H6mdndV86fUmjtDZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@magma.ca...
> > check out this site
> >
> > http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=59574&pg=1
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > Vito wrote:
> > >
> > >>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote
> > >>
> > >>>>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging
> on
> > >>>>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has
> "lots of
> > >>>>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the
> technology but
> > >>>>here is my question.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> > >>>>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
> Yukon?
> > >>>>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that
> be a
> > >>>>home run for conservation? ....
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
> > >>>RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
> > >>>Durango and BMW with ?
> > >>>
> > >>>I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing ....
> > >>
> > >>I suspect you are right.
> > >>
> > >>"Hybrid" involves using a gasoline engine to make electricity that
> drives the
> > >>car. It does save gas whenever, but only whenever, your car is idling
> at a stop
> > >>or going very slowly. The mfgrs use it in small cars that are commonly
> used in
> > >>such heavy traffic situations. But the multiple energy conversion
> (chemical ->
> > >>mechanical -> electric -> chemical (battery) -> electric -> mechanical)
> uses
> > >>more gas in highway driving so it'll prolly prove unpopular in "highway"
> > >>applications.
> > >>
> > >>My 1957 Renault Dauphine got 42-45 MPG and my 1967 Fairlane got 18-21
> MPG with a
> > >>small V8 and auto trans. but, thanks to "smog" laws that went into
> effect in
> > >>1970, my buddy's 1972 Dodge with similar motor and tranny only gor
> 12-15MPG.
> > >>Wonder what the Renault could have done with a modern computer managed
> FI
> > >>engine???
> > >
> > >
> > > Yup, what a snow job. The original 70's Honda Civic got 50 mpg if you
> > > drove it easy, same for the Austin Mini and they both went like scalded
> > > cats when tuned nice. I got clocked at 132 mph in one Mini I owned and
> > > it wasn't tached out.
> > >
> > > I was as the Canadian Road Race of Champions on a Mosport track in the
> > > 70's and a Mini and Civic were nose and nose at the finish. They had
> > > lapped 3rd place which was a Porsche Turbo Carrera with a Vett or Camaro
> > > bringing up a dismal 4th.
> > >
> > > I got a nice 25% increase in fuel mileage up to 23 mpg in my CJ7 when I
> > > killed the 'emissions' computer and it still has really low emissions
> > > numbers.
> > >
> > > The new engines are pigs in comparison.
> > >
> > > Mike
> >