Hybrids?
 

So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
here is my question.

Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?

Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
home run for conservation?

The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Think cost, if it cost $5000 more for a small car with a 2 L engine, imagine
what a 6 L engine equivalent will do to the price of a car.


"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:V752g.16468$0Z4.9048@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
> but here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
> a home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

Think cost, if it cost $5000 more for a small car with a 2 L engine, imagine
what a 6 L engine equivalent will do to the price of a car.


"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:V752g.16468$0Z4.9048@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
> but here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
> a home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

Think cost, if it cost $5000 more for a small car with a 2 L engine, imagine
what a 6 L engine equivalent will do to the price of a car.


"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:V752g.16468$0Z4.9048@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
> but here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
> a home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

"YouGoFirst" <yougofirst@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pj52g.58299$1q4.35579@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
: Think cost, if it cost $5000 more for a small car with a 2 L engine,
imagine
: what a 6 L engine equivalent will do to the price of a car.
:


I also think POWER and the lack of it in a Hybrid. For hauling the heavy
vehicles and pulling or carrying the loads that they would demand.

Re: Hybrids?
 

"YouGoFirst" <yougofirst@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pj52g.58299$1q4.35579@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
: Think cost, if it cost $5000 more for a small car with a 2 L engine,
imagine
: what a 6 L engine equivalent will do to the price of a car.
:


I also think POWER and the lack of it in a Hybrid. For hauling the heavy
vehicles and pulling or carrying the loads that they would demand.

Re: Hybrids?
 

"YouGoFirst" <yougofirst@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pj52g.58299$1q4.35579@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
: Think cost, if it cost $5000 more for a small car with a 2 L engine,
imagine
: what a 6 L engine equivalent will do to the price of a car.
:


I also think POWER and the lack of it in a Hybrid. For hauling the heavy
vehicles and pulling or carrying the loads that they would demand.

Re: Hybrids?
 

Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to 'teach'
hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages. It seems that the normal
manner of driving the mileage is similar or worse.

But the most common reason in my way of thinking is the people who would be
the first to buy a hybrid are not driving SUVs.

That is the same reason that the early hybrids were so ugly err unique
looking......


"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:V752g.16468$0Z4.9048@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
> but here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
> a home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to 'teach'
hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages. It seems that the normal
manner of driving the mileage is similar or worse.

But the most common reason in my way of thinking is the people who would be
the first to buy a hybrid are not driving SUVs.

That is the same reason that the early hybrids were so ugly err unique
looking......


"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:V752g.16468$0Z4.9048@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
> but here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
> a home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to 'teach'
hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages. It seems that the normal
manner of driving the mileage is similar or worse.

But the most common reason in my way of thinking is the people who would be
the first to buy a hybrid are not driving SUVs.

That is the same reason that the early hybrids were so ugly err unique
looking......


"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:V752g.16468$0Z4.9048@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
> but here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
> a home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

> Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to 'teach'
> hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages.

Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit fuel
it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it". You have
to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting as though
they just saved the world.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Hybrids?
 

> Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to 'teach'
> hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages.

Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit fuel
it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it". You have
to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting as though
they just saved the world.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Hybrids?
 

> Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to 'teach'
> hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages.

Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit fuel
it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it". You have
to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting as though
they just saved the world.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Hybrids?
 

Ethanol is not really a Deficit fuel. We actually don't have enough
farmers, like we did 30 years ago, to produce enough of it. We can also
use different types of products to create ethanol.
I am not really supporting it that much, i believe there are other
alternatives that should be researched. The government is just looking
for a bandaid, a quick fix. PR, that is a good quote also. The big
three have posted huge losses lately. They need something fresh to
spark people to buy their hugely overpriced vehicles. Not only that,
for what you pay it isn't a very good investment when you loose 2000 to
4000 the minute you drive it off the lot. In some city's you can buy a
cheap rental property for the same price of some of those vehicles.

Re: Hybrids?
 

Ethanol is not really a Deficit fuel. We actually don't have enough
farmers, like we did 30 years ago, to produce enough of it. We can also
use different types of products to create ethanol.
I am not really supporting it that much, i believe there are other
alternatives that should be researched. The government is just looking
for a bandaid, a quick fix. PR, that is a good quote also. The big
three have posted huge losses lately. They need something fresh to
spark people to buy their hugely overpriced vehicles. Not only that,
for what you pay it isn't a very good investment when you loose 2000 to
4000 the minute you drive it off the lot. In some city's you can buy a
cheap rental property for the same price of some of those vehicles.

Re: Hybrids?
 

Ethanol is not really a Deficit fuel. We actually don't have enough
farmers, like we did 30 years ago, to produce enough of it. We can also
use different types of products to create ethanol.
I am not really supporting it that much, i believe there are other
alternatives that should be researched. The government is just looking
for a bandaid, a quick fix. PR, that is a good quote also. The big
three have posted huge losses lately. They need something fresh to
spark people to buy their hugely overpriced vehicles. Not only that,
for what you pay it isn't a very good investment when you loose 2000 to
4000 the minute you drive it off the lot. In some city's you can buy a
cheap rental property for the same price of some of those vehicles.

Re: Hybrids?
 

My Honda Civic HX, model year 1999, gets 45 mpg on the highway, 40 more or
less in the mountains where I live, and has a 1600 cc gasoline engine, no
hybrid. I didn't need special classes either on how to drive it, to get
this mileage. The Nevada state patrol clocked my youngest daughter in it
doing 125. I assume that mileage went down a bit at that speed. ;^)

Hybrids are like the Emperor's New Clothes. There were a number of
offerings like the Civic HX, but people wouldn't buy them. Make the engine
smaller, load it down with expensive battery packs, and increase the price
but not the fuel economy, and people will buy them. Go figure.

Earle

"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:V752g.16468$0Z4.9048@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
but
> here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
a
> home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?
>
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

My Honda Civic HX, model year 1999, gets 45 mpg on the highway, 40 more or
less in the mountains where I live, and has a 1600 cc gasoline engine, no
hybrid. I didn't need special classes either on how to drive it, to get
this mileage. The Nevada state patrol clocked my youngest daughter in it
doing 125. I assume that mileage went down a bit at that speed. ;^)

Hybrids are like the Emperor's New Clothes. There were a number of
offerings like the Civic HX, but people wouldn't buy them. Make the engine
smaller, load it down with expensive battery packs, and increase the price
but not the fuel economy, and people will buy them. Go figure.

Earle

"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:V752g.16468$0Z4.9048@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
but
> here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
a
> home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?
>
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

My Honda Civic HX, model year 1999, gets 45 mpg on the highway, 40 more or
less in the mountains where I live, and has a 1600 cc gasoline engine, no
hybrid. I didn't need special classes either on how to drive it, to get
this mileage. The Nevada state patrol clocked my youngest daughter in it
doing 125. I assume that mileage went down a bit at that speed. ;^)

Hybrids are like the Emperor's New Clothes. There were a number of
offerings like the Civic HX, but people wouldn't buy them. Make the engine
smaller, load it down with expensive battery packs, and increase the price
but not the fuel economy, and people will buy them. Go figure.

Earle

"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:V752g.16468$0Z4.9048@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
but
> here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
a
> home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?
>
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

We were fresh faced kids once... our job was to protect the world from the
'evil empire'. It worked too... after 4 decades


"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4ase3cFuffe7U1@individual.net...
>> Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to 'teach'
>> hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages.
>
> Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit
> fuel it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it".
> You have to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting
> as though they just saved the world.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
>
> http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

We were fresh faced kids once... our job was to protect the world from the
'evil empire'. It worked too... after 4 decades


"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4ase3cFuffe7U1@individual.net...
>> Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to 'teach'
>> hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages.
>
> Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit
> fuel it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it".
> You have to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting
> as though they just saved the world.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
>
> http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

We were fresh faced kids once... our job was to protect the world from the
'evil empire'. It worked too... after 4 decades


"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4ase3cFuffe7U1@individual.net...
>> Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to 'teach'
>> hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages.
>
> Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit
> fuel it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it".
> You have to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting
> as though they just saved the world.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
>
> http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

Which "evil empire" are you talking about? ´Cause if it was that "military
industrial complex" that Eisenhauer and Kennedy were afraid of, it's still
alive and well. If it was the Warsaw Pact Eastern Bloc, it just collapsed
under its own weight. Now if we are talking about the People's Republic of
China, well all we did to them, was call them our friends and deny that they
had ever been or done anything evil. There are only a few evil empires
left, North Korea (can't even feed itself), Iran (lots of petroleum), and
Europe.

Why do threads like this always wind up political? Well, that's what hybrid
technology is, political.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:46437$44491353$48311525$25343@FUSE.NET...
> We were fresh faced kids once... our job was to protect the world from the
> 'evil empire'. It worked too... after 4 decades
>
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:4ase3cFuffe7U1@individual.net...
> >> Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to
'teach'
> >> hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages.
> >
> > Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit
> > fuel it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it".
> > You have to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids
acting
> > as though they just saved the world.
> >
> >
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> >
> > http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> > --
> > Stupendous Man,
> > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
> >
>
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

Which "evil empire" are you talking about? ´Cause if it was that "military
industrial complex" that Eisenhauer and Kennedy were afraid of, it's still
alive and well. If it was the Warsaw Pact Eastern Bloc, it just collapsed
under its own weight. Now if we are talking about the People's Republic of
China, well all we did to them, was call them our friends and deny that they
had ever been or done anything evil. There are only a few evil empires
left, North Korea (can't even feed itself), Iran (lots of petroleum), and
Europe.

Why do threads like this always wind up political? Well, that's what hybrid
technology is, political.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:46437$44491353$48311525$25343@FUSE.NET...
> We were fresh faced kids once... our job was to protect the world from the
> 'evil empire'. It worked too... after 4 decades
>
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:4ase3cFuffe7U1@individual.net...
> >> Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to
'teach'
> >> hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages.
> >
> > Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit
> > fuel it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it".
> > You have to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids
acting
> > as though they just saved the world.
> >
> >
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> >
> > http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> > --
> > Stupendous Man,
> > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
> >
>
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

Which "evil empire" are you talking about? ´Cause if it was that "military
industrial complex" that Eisenhauer and Kennedy were afraid of, it's still
alive and well. If it was the Warsaw Pact Eastern Bloc, it just collapsed
under its own weight. Now if we are talking about the People's Republic of
China, well all we did to them, was call them our friends and deny that they
had ever been or done anything evil. There are only a few evil empires
left, North Korea (can't even feed itself), Iran (lots of petroleum), and
Europe.

Why do threads like this always wind up political? Well, that's what hybrid
technology is, political.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:46437$44491353$48311525$25343@FUSE.NET...
> We were fresh faced kids once... our job was to protect the world from the
> 'evil empire'. It worked too... after 4 decades
>
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:4ase3cFuffe7U1@individual.net...
> >> Ford is sending people all around the country to hold classes to
'teach'
> >> hybrid owners to get good gasoline mileages.
> >
> > Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit
> > fuel it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it".
> > You have to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids
acting
> > as though they just saved the world.
> >
> >
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> >
> > http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> > --
> > Stupendous Man,
> > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
> >
>
>

Re: Hybrids?
 

Europe isn't nearly organized enough to be called an empire

:-)

Dave

"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44491fc3$0$24471$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
There are only a few evil empires left, North Korea (can't even feed
itself), Iran (lots of petroleum), and
> Europe.

Re: Hybrids?
 

Europe isn't nearly organized enough to be called an empire

:-)

Dave

"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44491fc3$0$24471$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
There are only a few evil empires left, North Korea (can't even feed
itself), Iran (lots of petroleum), and
> Europe.

Re: Hybrids?
 

Europe isn't nearly organized enough to be called an empire

:-)

Dave

"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44491fc3$0$24471$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
There are only a few evil empires left, North Korea (can't even feed
itself), Iran (lots of petroleum), and
> Europe.

Re: Hybrids?
 

Ditto. And it's more like three times the petroleum is used to make
alcohol, plus the corrosive effect will quickly destroy even the new
cars made to run on 85%, plus all the the subsides we tax payer have to
put up! God damn bleeding heart liberl wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit fuel
> it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it". You have
> to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting as though
> they just saved the world.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
>
> http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Hybrids?
 

Ditto. And it's more like three times the petroleum is used to make
alcohol, plus the corrosive effect will quickly destroy even the new
cars made to run on 85%, plus all the the subsides we tax payer have to
put up! God damn bleeding heart liberl wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit fuel
> it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it". You have
> to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting as though
> they just saved the world.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
>
> http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Hybrids?
 

Ditto. And it's more like three times the petroleum is used to make
alcohol, plus the corrosive effect will quickly destroy even the new
cars made to run on 85%, plus all the the subsides we tax payer have to
put up! God damn bleeding heart liberl wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit fuel
> it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it". You have
> to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting as though
> they just saved the world.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
>
> http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Hybrids?
 

Hi Brain,
I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Brian Foster wrote:
>
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
> here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
> home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Hi Brain,
I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Brian Foster wrote:
>
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
> here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
> home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Hi Brain,
I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Brian Foster wrote:
>
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
> here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
> home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Excerpt from link below:

"...With the purchase price difference, depreciation and other costs like
financing and insurance factored in, only the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic
Hybrid would save owners any money -- $406 and $317, respectively, over 5
years. That final figure includes the impact of a federal tax incentives for
hybrids. Without those incentives, Prius buyers face a net cost of ownership
of $2,700 more than Corolla buyers.

Other hybrid vehicles would cost owners thousands more than non-hybrids over
five years of ownership, even after federal tax credits.

For example, a Toyota Highlander Hybrid costs $7,185 more to purchase than
the non-hybrid version. That results in $558 more in sales tax and $2,653
more in financing costs. It also will cost $358 more to insure for five
years and $12 more in repair and maintenance costs. In addition, the hybrid
will also lose 3.9 percent more in value than the non-hybrid.

The Highlander Hybrid will save you about $1,392 in gasoline over that time.
So, even with a $2,200 federal tax credit in your bank account, the
Highlander Hybrid will ultimately cost you $5,508 more after five years than
a similarly-equipped non-hybrid Highlander...."



"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44495D1A.7BFEF4FA@cox.net...
> Hi Brain,
> I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
> no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
> a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
> research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
> http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
> Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
> auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
> trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
> bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Brian Foster wrote:
>>
>> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots
>> of
>> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
>> but
>> here is my question.
>>
>> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
>> Yukon?
>> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
>> a
>> home run for conservation?
>>
>> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Excerpt from link below:

"...With the purchase price difference, depreciation and other costs like
financing and insurance factored in, only the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic
Hybrid would save owners any money -- $406 and $317, respectively, over 5
years. That final figure includes the impact of a federal tax incentives for
hybrids. Without those incentives, Prius buyers face a net cost of ownership
of $2,700 more than Corolla buyers.

Other hybrid vehicles would cost owners thousands more than non-hybrids over
five years of ownership, even after federal tax credits.

For example, a Toyota Highlander Hybrid costs $7,185 more to purchase than
the non-hybrid version. That results in $558 more in sales tax and $2,653
more in financing costs. It also will cost $358 more to insure for five
years and $12 more in repair and maintenance costs. In addition, the hybrid
will also lose 3.9 percent more in value than the non-hybrid.

The Highlander Hybrid will save you about $1,392 in gasoline over that time.
So, even with a $2,200 federal tax credit in your bank account, the
Highlander Hybrid will ultimately cost you $5,508 more after five years than
a similarly-equipped non-hybrid Highlander...."



"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44495D1A.7BFEF4FA@cox.net...
> Hi Brain,
> I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
> no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
> a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
> research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
> http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
> Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
> auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
> trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
> bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Brian Foster wrote:
>>
>> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots
>> of
>> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
>> but
>> here is my question.
>>
>> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
>> Yukon?
>> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
>> a
>> home run for conservation?
>>
>> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Excerpt from link below:

"...With the purchase price difference, depreciation and other costs like
financing and insurance factored in, only the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic
Hybrid would save owners any money -- $406 and $317, respectively, over 5
years. That final figure includes the impact of a federal tax incentives for
hybrids. Without those incentives, Prius buyers face a net cost of ownership
of $2,700 more than Corolla buyers.

Other hybrid vehicles would cost owners thousands more than non-hybrids over
five years of ownership, even after federal tax credits.

For example, a Toyota Highlander Hybrid costs $7,185 more to purchase than
the non-hybrid version. That results in $558 more in sales tax and $2,653
more in financing costs. It also will cost $358 more to insure for five
years and $12 more in repair and maintenance costs. In addition, the hybrid
will also lose 3.9 percent more in value than the non-hybrid.

The Highlander Hybrid will save you about $1,392 in gasoline over that time.
So, even with a $2,200 federal tax credit in your bank account, the
Highlander Hybrid will ultimately cost you $5,508 more after five years than
a similarly-equipped non-hybrid Highlander...."



"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44495D1A.7BFEF4FA@cox.net...
> Hi Brain,
> I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
> no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
> a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
> research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
> http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
> Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
> auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
> trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
> bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Brian Foster wrote:
>>
>> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots
>> of
>> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
>> but
>> here is my question.
>>
>> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
>> Yukon?
>> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
>> a
>> home run for conservation?
>>
>> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:29 GMT, "Brian Foster"
<brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
>here is my question.
>
>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
>home run for conservation?
>
>The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>could be done with larger vehicles?
>

As a long time ramj+w lurker coming out I thought I would bring to the
group's attention an interesting article about hybrids...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/con...7011007960902/

DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
Durango and BMW with ?

I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing because
the people that buy small hybrids are driven by a different buying
interest than those that buy large pickups and SUV's. I don't see too
many people spending 45 big for a Durango... (no prices have been
announced, just speculation on my part).

But I do predict that when we have modern common rail diesel engines
these will prove popular in larger trucks and SUV's.

--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth

Re: Hybrids?
 

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:29 GMT, "Brian Foster"
<brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
>here is my question.
>
>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
>home run for conservation?
>
>The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>could be done with larger vehicles?
>

As a long time ramj+w lurker coming out I thought I would bring to the
group's attention an interesting article about hybrids...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/con...7011007960902/

DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
Durango and BMW with ?

I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing because
the people that buy small hybrids are driven by a different buying
interest than those that buy large pickups and SUV's. I don't see too
many people spending 45 big for a Durango... (no prices have been
announced, just speculation on my part).

But I do predict that when we have modern common rail diesel engines
these will prove popular in larger trucks and SUV's.

--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth

Re: Hybrids?
 

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:29 GMT, "Brian Foster"
<brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
>here is my question.
>
>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
>home run for conservation?
>
>The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>could be done with larger vehicles?
>

As a long time ramj+w lurker coming out I thought I would bring to the
group's attention an interesting article about hybrids...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/con...7011007960902/

DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
Durango and BMW with ?

I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing because
the people that buy small hybrids are driven by a different buying
interest than those that buy large pickups and SUV's. I don't see too
many people spending 45 big for a Durango... (no prices have been
announced, just speculation on my part).

But I do predict that when we have modern common rail diesel engines
these will prove popular in larger trucks and SUV's.

--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth