Re: Hybrids?
 

Ditto. And it's more like three times the petroleum is used to make
alcohol, plus the corrosive effect will quickly destroy even the new
cars made to run on 85%, plus all the the subsides we tax payer have to
put up! God damn bleeding heart liberl wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Ford is also pushing an Ethanol vehicle, but since Ethanol is a deficit fuel
> it's just PR --------. Screw the facts, lets "feel good about it". You have
> to love those commercials with all those fresh-faced kids acting as though
> they just saved the world.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
>
> http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Hybrids?
 

Hi Brain,
I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Brian Foster wrote:
>
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
> here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
> home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Hi Brain,
I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Brian Foster wrote:
>
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
> here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
> home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Hi Brain,
I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Brian Foster wrote:
>
> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
> here is my question.
>
> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
> home run for conservation?
>
> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Excerpt from link below:

"...With the purchase price difference, depreciation and other costs like
financing and insurance factored in, only the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic
Hybrid would save owners any money -- $406 and $317, respectively, over 5
years. That final figure includes the impact of a federal tax incentives for
hybrids. Without those incentives, Prius buyers face a net cost of ownership
of $2,700 more than Corolla buyers.

Other hybrid vehicles would cost owners thousands more than non-hybrids over
five years of ownership, even after federal tax credits.

For example, a Toyota Highlander Hybrid costs $7,185 more to purchase than
the non-hybrid version. That results in $558 more in sales tax and $2,653
more in financing costs. It also will cost $358 more to insure for five
years and $12 more in repair and maintenance costs. In addition, the hybrid
will also lose 3.9 percent more in value than the non-hybrid.

The Highlander Hybrid will save you about $1,392 in gasoline over that time.
So, even with a $2,200 federal tax credit in your bank account, the
Highlander Hybrid will ultimately cost you $5,508 more after five years than
a similarly-equipped non-hybrid Highlander...."



"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44495D1A.7BFEF4FA@cox.net...
> Hi Brain,
> I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
> no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
> a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
> research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
> http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
> Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
> auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
> trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
> bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Brian Foster wrote:
>>
>> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots
>> of
>> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
>> but
>> here is my question.
>>
>> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
>> Yukon?
>> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
>> a
>> home run for conservation?
>>
>> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Excerpt from link below:

"...With the purchase price difference, depreciation and other costs like
financing and insurance factored in, only the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic
Hybrid would save owners any money -- $406 and $317, respectively, over 5
years. That final figure includes the impact of a federal tax incentives for
hybrids. Without those incentives, Prius buyers face a net cost of ownership
of $2,700 more than Corolla buyers.

Other hybrid vehicles would cost owners thousands more than non-hybrids over
five years of ownership, even after federal tax credits.

For example, a Toyota Highlander Hybrid costs $7,185 more to purchase than
the non-hybrid version. That results in $558 more in sales tax and $2,653
more in financing costs. It also will cost $358 more to insure for five
years and $12 more in repair and maintenance costs. In addition, the hybrid
will also lose 3.9 percent more in value than the non-hybrid.

The Highlander Hybrid will save you about $1,392 in gasoline over that time.
So, even with a $2,200 federal tax credit in your bank account, the
Highlander Hybrid will ultimately cost you $5,508 more after five years than
a similarly-equipped non-hybrid Highlander...."



"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44495D1A.7BFEF4FA@cox.net...
> Hi Brain,
> I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
> no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
> a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
> research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
> http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
> Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
> auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
> trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
> bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Brian Foster wrote:
>>
>> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots
>> of
>> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
>> but
>> here is my question.
>>
>> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
>> Yukon?
>> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
>> a
>> home run for conservation?
>>
>> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

Excerpt from link below:

"...With the purchase price difference, depreciation and other costs like
financing and insurance factored in, only the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic
Hybrid would save owners any money -- $406 and $317, respectively, over 5
years. That final figure includes the impact of a federal tax incentives for
hybrids. Without those incentives, Prius buyers face a net cost of ownership
of $2,700 more than Corolla buyers.

Other hybrid vehicles would cost owners thousands more than non-hybrids over
five years of ownership, even after federal tax credits.

For example, a Toyota Highlander Hybrid costs $7,185 more to purchase than
the non-hybrid version. That results in $558 more in sales tax and $2,653
more in financing costs. It also will cost $358 more to insure for five
years and $12 more in repair and maintenance costs. In addition, the hybrid
will also lose 3.9 percent more in value than the non-hybrid.

The Highlander Hybrid will save you about $1,392 in gasoline over that time.
So, even with a $2,200 federal tax credit in your bank account, the
Highlander Hybrid will ultimately cost you $5,508 more after five years than
a similarly-equipped non-hybrid Highlander...."



"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44495D1A.7BFEF4FA@cox.net...
> Hi Brain,
> I believe people that would buy a hybrid are just stupid, and have
> no concept of how an engine works, or how to build performance, so only
> a puny car would appeal to them. Maybe if they would do a little
> research they wouldn't be so ignorant:
> http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/06/Auto...sale/index.htm
> Some of those jerks are now buying even more pollution in the making of
> auxiliary batteries, and plugging them into their home AC outlets,
> trying to get the advertised mileage out of them. Stupid, stupid
> bleeding heart liberal wacko limps!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Brian Foster wrote:
>>
>> So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>> his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots
>> of
>> power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology
>> but
>> here is my question.
>>
>> Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>> trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC
>> Yukon?
>> If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be
>> a
>> home run for conservation?
>>
>> The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>> could be done with larger vehicles?

Re: Hybrids?
 

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:29 GMT, "Brian Foster"
<brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
>here is my question.
>
>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
>home run for conservation?
>
>The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>could be done with larger vehicles?
>

As a long time ramj+w lurker coming out I thought I would bring to the
group's attention an interesting article about hybrids...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/con...7011007960902/

DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
Durango and BMW with ?

I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing because
the people that buy small hybrids are driven by a different buying
interest than those that buy large pickups and SUV's. I don't see too
many people spending 45 big for a Durango... (no prices have been
announced, just speculation on my part).

But I do predict that when we have modern common rail diesel engines
these will prove popular in larger trucks and SUV's.

--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth

Re: Hybrids?
 

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:29 GMT, "Brian Foster"
<brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
>here is my question.
>
>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
>home run for conservation?
>
>The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>could be done with larger vehicles?
>

As a long time ramj+w lurker coming out I thought I would bring to the
group's attention an interesting article about hybrids...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/con...7011007960902/

DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
Durango and BMW with ?

I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing because
the people that buy small hybrids are driven by a different buying
interest than those that buy large pickups and SUV's. I don't see too
many people spending 45 big for a Durango... (no prices have been
announced, just speculation on my part).

But I do predict that when we have modern common rail diesel engines
these will prove popular in larger trucks and SUV's.

--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth

Re: Hybrids?
 

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:29 GMT, "Brian Foster"
<brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>So I'm listening to this guy on the radio who calls in and is bragging on
>his Honda Civic Hybrid. Gets 40mpg or better and he claims it has "lots of
>power". So I'm not an engineer and I have not researched the technology but
>here is my question.
>
>Why are automakers making hybrid autos out of small cars? Why are they
>trying to add mpgs to autos that already get better than average mpg?
>
>Wouldn't it be more productive to try and double the mpg on the GMC Yukon?
>If I can take an SUV or a PU truck from 12 mpg to 24 mpg wouldn't that be a
>home run for conservation?
>
>The guy on the radio said the technology in his Honda was scaleable so it
>could be done with larger vehicles?
>

As a long time ramj+w lurker coming out I thought I would bring to the
group's attention an interesting article about hybrids...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/con...7011007960902/

DCX, GM and BMW (in cooperation with each other) are developing hybrid
RWD applications, GM with the GMT900 series, Chrysler Group with the
Durango and BMW with ?

I suspect that sales of the big vehicles will be disappointing because
the people that buy small hybrids are driven by a different buying
interest than those that buy large pickups and SUV's. I don't see too
many people spending 45 big for a Durango... (no prices have been
announced, just speculation on my part).

But I do predict that when we have modern common rail diesel engines
these will prove popular in larger trucks and SUV's.

--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth