Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
#941
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Dianelos Georgoudis wrote:
> If you care about your personal safety then, clearly, the best
> strategy is not to use a SUV but to use a mid-size or large passenger
> car.
Unless you have the common sense to refrain from attempting the kind of
sudden turning behavior that can cause one to roll over, at least until
you have practiced enough with that SUV to know its limits. Most
rollovers are new SUV owners who assume they can drive it like a car.
> Of course, the safest strategy for society would be to put an upper
> limit to the weight of passenger cars:
Hogwash: then we'd continue to be as vulnerable to trucks and fixed
obstacles as small car drivers are now. And speed governors are not a
solution to anything, but a stupid breaking of the system themselves.
The safest strategy overall would be to repeal CAFE so that people with
large families can go back to buying station wagons instead of SUVs.
> If you care about your personal safety then, clearly, the best
> strategy is not to use a SUV but to use a mid-size or large passenger
> car.
Unless you have the common sense to refrain from attempting the kind of
sudden turning behavior that can cause one to roll over, at least until
you have practiced enough with that SUV to know its limits. Most
rollovers are new SUV owners who assume they can drive it like a car.
> Of course, the safest strategy for society would be to put an upper
> limit to the weight of passenger cars:
Hogwash: then we'd continue to be as vulnerable to trucks and fixed
obstacles as small car drivers are now. And speed governors are not a
solution to anything, but a stupid breaking of the system themselves.
The safest strategy overall would be to repeal CAFE so that people with
large families can go back to buying station wagons instead of SUVs.
#942
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Dianelos Georgoudis wrote:
> If you care about your personal safety then, clearly, the best
> strategy is not to use a SUV but to use a mid-size or large passenger
> car.
Unless you have the common sense to refrain from attempting the kind of
sudden turning behavior that can cause one to roll over, at least until
you have practiced enough with that SUV to know its limits. Most
rollovers are new SUV owners who assume they can drive it like a car.
> Of course, the safest strategy for society would be to put an upper
> limit to the weight of passenger cars:
Hogwash: then we'd continue to be as vulnerable to trucks and fixed
obstacles as small car drivers are now. And speed governors are not a
solution to anything, but a stupid breaking of the system themselves.
The safest strategy overall would be to repeal CAFE so that people with
large families can go back to buying station wagons instead of SUVs.
> If you care about your personal safety then, clearly, the best
> strategy is not to use a SUV but to use a mid-size or large passenger
> car.
Unless you have the common sense to refrain from attempting the kind of
sudden turning behavior that can cause one to roll over, at least until
you have practiced enough with that SUV to know its limits. Most
rollovers are new SUV owners who assume they can drive it like a car.
> Of course, the safest strategy for society would be to put an upper
> limit to the weight of passenger cars:
Hogwash: then we'd continue to be as vulnerable to trucks and fixed
obstacles as small car drivers are now. And speed governors are not a
solution to anything, but a stupid breaking of the system themselves.
The safest strategy overall would be to repeal CAFE so that people with
large families can go back to buying station wagons instead of SUVs.
#943
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Dianelos Georgoudis wrote:
> If you care about your personal safety then, clearly, the best
> strategy is not to use a SUV but to use a mid-size or large passenger
> car.
Unless you have the common sense to refrain from attempting the kind of
sudden turning behavior that can cause one to roll over, at least until
you have practiced enough with that SUV to know its limits. Most
rollovers are new SUV owners who assume they can drive it like a car.
> Of course, the safest strategy for society would be to put an upper
> limit to the weight of passenger cars:
Hogwash: then we'd continue to be as vulnerable to trucks and fixed
obstacles as small car drivers are now. And speed governors are not a
solution to anything, but a stupid breaking of the system themselves.
The safest strategy overall would be to repeal CAFE so that people with
large families can go back to buying station wagons instead of SUVs.
> If you care about your personal safety then, clearly, the best
> strategy is not to use a SUV but to use a mid-size or large passenger
> car.
Unless you have the common sense to refrain from attempting the kind of
sudden turning behavior that can cause one to roll over, at least until
you have practiced enough with that SUV to know its limits. Most
rollovers are new SUV owners who assume they can drive it like a car.
> Of course, the safest strategy for society would be to put an upper
> limit to the weight of passenger cars:
Hogwash: then we'd continue to be as vulnerable to trucks and fixed
obstacles as small car drivers are now. And speed governors are not a
solution to anything, but a stupid breaking of the system themselves.
The safest strategy overall would be to repeal CAFE so that people with
large families can go back to buying station wagons instead of SUVs.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
yes, there are 5 million people in Scotland, 60 million in the UK. However,
our motorways are amongs the most crowded in Europe, and average mileage is
about 12K/yr. I'm not against improving road safety, just those who blindly
attacking SUVs and ignore why people have those SUVs or how many miles they
do in them ... let's face it, SUVs are an easy target .
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.19fce3fea2837b2a989e38@news.eastlink.ca.. .
: In article <RpDkb.223$qr3.2413606@news-text.cableinet.net>,
: jeep@_nospam_milne.info says...
: > those were UK figures, including Scotland.
: >
: >
:
: I kind of doubted there was sixty million people in Scotland, more like
: five million. With so few people is it really that crowded? There were
: around 20,000 road casualties in Scotland last year (sorry I said deaths
: before, that was incorrect), even with the short distances driven there
: don't you think better designed roads would cut that 20,000 figure down?
: Your fortunate in that you don't have many opurtunities there for high
: speed head on collisions to occur. A quick look at used cars for sale
: in Scotland shows about 8-10,000 miles per year on them, I drove about
: that much last month.
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our motorways are amongs the most crowded in Europe, and average mileage is
about 12K/yr. I'm not against improving road safety, just those who blindly
attacking SUVs and ignore why people have those SUVs or how many miles they
do in them ... let's face it, SUVs are an easy target .
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.19fce3fea2837b2a989e38@news.eastlink.ca.. .
: In article <RpDkb.223$qr3.2413606@news-text.cableinet.net>,
: jeep@_nospam_milne.info says...
: > those were UK figures, including Scotland.
: >
: >
:
: I kind of doubted there was sixty million people in Scotland, more like
: five million. With so few people is it really that crowded? There were
: around 20,000 road casualties in Scotland last year (sorry I said deaths
: before, that was incorrect), even with the short distances driven there
: don't you think better designed roads would cut that 20,000 figure down?
: Your fortunate in that you don't have many opurtunities there for high
: speed head on collisions to occur. A quick look at used cars for sale
: in Scotland shows about 8-10,000 miles per year on them, I drove about
: that much last month.
: --
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
yes, there are 5 million people in Scotland, 60 million in the UK. However,
our motorways are amongs the most crowded in Europe, and average mileage is
about 12K/yr. I'm not against improving road safety, just those who blindly
attacking SUVs and ignore why people have those SUVs or how many miles they
do in them ... let's face it, SUVs are an easy target .
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.19fce3fea2837b2a989e38@news.eastlink.ca.. .
: In article <RpDkb.223$qr3.2413606@news-text.cableinet.net>,
: jeep@_nospam_milne.info says...
: > those were UK figures, including Scotland.
: >
: >
:
: I kind of doubted there was sixty million people in Scotland, more like
: five million. With so few people is it really that crowded? There were
: around 20,000 road casualties in Scotland last year (sorry I said deaths
: before, that was incorrect), even with the short distances driven there
: don't you think better designed roads would cut that 20,000 figure down?
: Your fortunate in that you don't have many opurtunities there for high
: speed head on collisions to occur. A quick look at used cars for sale
: in Scotland shows about 8-10,000 miles per year on them, I drove about
: that much last month.
: --
: ____________________
: Remove "X" from email address to reply.
our motorways are amongs the most crowded in Europe, and average mileage is
about 12K/yr. I'm not against improving road safety, just those who blindly
attacking SUVs and ignore why people have those SUVs or how many miles they
do in them ... let's face it, SUVs are an easy target .
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.19fce3fea2837b2a989e38@news.eastlink.ca.. .
: In article <RpDkb.223$qr3.2413606@news-text.cableinet.net>,
: jeep@_nospam_milne.info says...
: > those were UK figures, including Scotland.
: >
: >
:
: I kind of doubted there was sixty million people in Scotland, more like
: five million. With so few people is it really that crowded? There were
: around 20,000 road casualties in Scotland last year (sorry I said deaths
: before, that was incorrect), even with the short distances driven there
: don't you think better designed roads would cut that 20,000 figure down?
: Your fortunate in that you don't have many opurtunities there for high
: speed head on collisions to occur. A quick look at used cars for sale
: in Scotland shows about 8-10,000 miles per year on them, I drove about
: that much last month.
: --
: ____________________
: Remove "X" from email address to reply.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
yes, there are 5 million people in Scotland, 60 million in the UK. However,
our motorways are amongs the most crowded in Europe, and average mileage is
about 12K/yr. I'm not against improving road safety, just those who blindly
attacking SUVs and ignore why people have those SUVs or how many miles they
do in them ... let's face it, SUVs are an easy target .
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.19fce3fea2837b2a989e38@news.eastlink.ca.. .
: In article <RpDkb.223$qr3.2413606@news-text.cableinet.net>,
: jeep@_nospam_milne.info says...
: > those were UK figures, including Scotland.
: >
: >
:
: I kind of doubted there was sixty million people in Scotland, more like
: five million. With so few people is it really that crowded? There were
: around 20,000 road casualties in Scotland last year (sorry I said deaths
: before, that was incorrect), even with the short distances driven there
: don't you think better designed roads would cut that 20,000 figure down?
: Your fortunate in that you don't have many opurtunities there for high
: speed head on collisions to occur. A quick look at used cars for sale
: in Scotland shows about 8-10,000 miles per year on them, I drove about
: that much last month.
: --
: ____________________
: Remove "X" from email address to reply.
our motorways are amongs the most crowded in Europe, and average mileage is
about 12K/yr. I'm not against improving road safety, just those who blindly
attacking SUVs and ignore why people have those SUVs or how many miles they
do in them ... let's face it, SUVs are an easy target .
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.19fce3fea2837b2a989e38@news.eastlink.ca.. .
: In article <RpDkb.223$qr3.2413606@news-text.cableinet.net>,
: jeep@_nospam_milne.info says...
: > those were UK figures, including Scotland.
: >
: >
:
: I kind of doubted there was sixty million people in Scotland, more like
: five million. With so few people is it really that crowded? There were
: around 20,000 road casualties in Scotland last year (sorry I said deaths
: before, that was incorrect), even with the short distances driven there
: don't you think better designed roads would cut that 20,000 figure down?
: Your fortunate in that you don't have many opurtunities there for high
: speed head on collisions to occur. A quick look at used cars for sale
: in Scotland shows about 8-10,000 miles per year on them, I drove about
: that much last month.
: --
: ____________________
: Remove "X" from email address to reply.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F931328.B2113D8A@kinez.net>, bputney@kinez.net says...
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F92C1AC.EC3FA467@kinez.net>, bputney@kinez.net says...
> > ...By the way, the only one I see trying to
> > take over numerous other countries like Hitler did, is from Texas.
>
> You are delusional if you really think that. I think we just met the
> criteria for Godwin's law.
When American's stop making this -------- parallel with Hitler I'll stop
pointing out that US Imperialism is really starting to show through int
he current administration.
>
> > > One would have to be an idiot to think that the way to fight willful
> > > murderers is to do nothing so that you don't antagonize them. The way
> > > to get rid of murderers is to get rid of them - not let them continue to
> > > kill at will unencumbered. You don't try to reason with them or
> > > negotiate with them.
> >
> > Show me how the numbers have decreased since the spending has increased.
>
> The proper question to ask is, over the next 2, 20, 30, 40 years how
> much the numbers *would* have increased had we not taken a stand?
> Neither you nor I can answer that with any certainty at this point, and
> we certainly can't afford to sit around doing nothing to wait and find
> out.
>
That's not he question to ask at all, because in 2, 20, 30, 40 the
numbers will increase, there is no question.
> I'm glad that your attitude wasn't prevalent in WWII after we were in it
> only 6 months. By the numbers, lots of money had been spent, and deaths
> only increased. So I guess we should have pulled out. I wonder what
> our lives would be like now. Idiot.
Ah the US education system at work, you seem unaware how the US sat at
the sidelines for TWO YEARS while WWII raged on. I wonder what your
life would be like now if Canada and England hadn't held out on their
own for those two years. Idiot indeed.
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>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F92C1AC.EC3FA467@kinez.net>, bputney@kinez.net says...
> > ...By the way, the only one I see trying to
> > take over numerous other countries like Hitler did, is from Texas.
>
> You are delusional if you really think that. I think we just met the
> criteria for Godwin's law.
When American's stop making this -------- parallel with Hitler I'll stop
pointing out that US Imperialism is really starting to show through int
he current administration.
>
> > > One would have to be an idiot to think that the way to fight willful
> > > murderers is to do nothing so that you don't antagonize them. The way
> > > to get rid of murderers is to get rid of them - not let them continue to
> > > kill at will unencumbered. You don't try to reason with them or
> > > negotiate with them.
> >
> > Show me how the numbers have decreased since the spending has increased.
>
> The proper question to ask is, over the next 2, 20, 30, 40 years how
> much the numbers *would* have increased had we not taken a stand?
> Neither you nor I can answer that with any certainty at this point, and
> we certainly can't afford to sit around doing nothing to wait and find
> out.
>
That's not he question to ask at all, because in 2, 20, 30, 40 the
numbers will increase, there is no question.
> I'm glad that your attitude wasn't prevalent in WWII after we were in it
> only 6 months. By the numbers, lots of money had been spent, and deaths
> only increased. So I guess we should have pulled out. I wonder what
> our lives would be like now. Idiot.
Ah the US education system at work, you seem unaware how the US sat at
the sidelines for TWO YEARS while WWII raged on. I wonder what your
life would be like now if Canada and England hadn't held out on their
own for those two years. Idiot indeed.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F931328.B2113D8A@kinez.net>, bputney@kinez.net says...
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F92C1AC.EC3FA467@kinez.net>, bputney@kinez.net says...
> > ...By the way, the only one I see trying to
> > take over numerous other countries like Hitler did, is from Texas.
>
> You are delusional if you really think that. I think we just met the
> criteria for Godwin's law.
When American's stop making this -------- parallel with Hitler I'll stop
pointing out that US Imperialism is really starting to show through int
he current administration.
>
> > > One would have to be an idiot to think that the way to fight willful
> > > murderers is to do nothing so that you don't antagonize them. The way
> > > to get rid of murderers is to get rid of them - not let them continue to
> > > kill at will unencumbered. You don't try to reason with them or
> > > negotiate with them.
> >
> > Show me how the numbers have decreased since the spending has increased.
>
> The proper question to ask is, over the next 2, 20, 30, 40 years how
> much the numbers *would* have increased had we not taken a stand?
> Neither you nor I can answer that with any certainty at this point, and
> we certainly can't afford to sit around doing nothing to wait and find
> out.
>
That's not he question to ask at all, because in 2, 20, 30, 40 the
numbers will increase, there is no question.
> I'm glad that your attitude wasn't prevalent in WWII after we were in it
> only 6 months. By the numbers, lots of money had been spent, and deaths
> only increased. So I guess we should have pulled out. I wonder what
> our lives would be like now. Idiot.
Ah the US education system at work, you seem unaware how the US sat at
the sidelines for TWO YEARS while WWII raged on. I wonder what your
life would be like now if Canada and England hadn't held out on their
own for those two years. Idiot indeed.
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>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F92C1AC.EC3FA467@kinez.net>, bputney@kinez.net says...
> > ...By the way, the only one I see trying to
> > take over numerous other countries like Hitler did, is from Texas.
>
> You are delusional if you really think that. I think we just met the
> criteria for Godwin's law.
When American's stop making this -------- parallel with Hitler I'll stop
pointing out that US Imperialism is really starting to show through int
he current administration.
>
> > > One would have to be an idiot to think that the way to fight willful
> > > murderers is to do nothing so that you don't antagonize them. The way
> > > to get rid of murderers is to get rid of them - not let them continue to
> > > kill at will unencumbered. You don't try to reason with them or
> > > negotiate with them.
> >
> > Show me how the numbers have decreased since the spending has increased.
>
> The proper question to ask is, over the next 2, 20, 30, 40 years how
> much the numbers *would* have increased had we not taken a stand?
> Neither you nor I can answer that with any certainty at this point, and
> we certainly can't afford to sit around doing nothing to wait and find
> out.
>
That's not he question to ask at all, because in 2, 20, 30, 40 the
numbers will increase, there is no question.
> I'm glad that your attitude wasn't prevalent in WWII after we were in it
> only 6 months. By the numbers, lots of money had been spent, and deaths
> only increased. So I guess we should have pulled out. I wonder what
> our lives would be like now. Idiot.
Ah the US education system at work, you seem unaware how the US sat at
the sidelines for TWO YEARS while WWII raged on. I wonder what your
life would be like now if Canada and England hadn't held out on their
own for those two years. Idiot indeed.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F931328.B2113D8A@kinez.net>, bputney@kinez.net says...
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F92C1AC.EC3FA467@kinez.net>, bputney@kinez.net says...
> > ...By the way, the only one I see trying to
> > take over numerous other countries like Hitler did, is from Texas.
>
> You are delusional if you really think that. I think we just met the
> criteria for Godwin's law.
When American's stop making this -------- parallel with Hitler I'll stop
pointing out that US Imperialism is really starting to show through int
he current administration.
>
> > > One would have to be an idiot to think that the way to fight willful
> > > murderers is to do nothing so that you don't antagonize them. The way
> > > to get rid of murderers is to get rid of them - not let them continue to
> > > kill at will unencumbered. You don't try to reason with them or
> > > negotiate with them.
> >
> > Show me how the numbers have decreased since the spending has increased.
>
> The proper question to ask is, over the next 2, 20, 30, 40 years how
> much the numbers *would* have increased had we not taken a stand?
> Neither you nor I can answer that with any certainty at this point, and
> we certainly can't afford to sit around doing nothing to wait and find
> out.
>
That's not he question to ask at all, because in 2, 20, 30, 40 the
numbers will increase, there is no question.
> I'm glad that your attitude wasn't prevalent in WWII after we were in it
> only 6 months. By the numbers, lots of money had been spent, and deaths
> only increased. So I guess we should have pulled out. I wonder what
> our lives would be like now. Idiot.
Ah the US education system at work, you seem unaware how the US sat at
the sidelines for TWO YEARS while WWII raged on. I wonder what your
life would be like now if Canada and England hadn't held out on their
own for those two years. Idiot indeed.
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>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F92C1AC.EC3FA467@kinez.net>, bputney@kinez.net says...
> > ...By the way, the only one I see trying to
> > take over numerous other countries like Hitler did, is from Texas.
>
> You are delusional if you really think that. I think we just met the
> criteria for Godwin's law.
When American's stop making this -------- parallel with Hitler I'll stop
pointing out that US Imperialism is really starting to show through int
he current administration.
>
> > > One would have to be an idiot to think that the way to fight willful
> > > murderers is to do nothing so that you don't antagonize them. The way
> > > to get rid of murderers is to get rid of them - not let them continue to
> > > kill at will unencumbered. You don't try to reason with them or
> > > negotiate with them.
> >
> > Show me how the numbers have decreased since the spending has increased.
>
> The proper question to ask is, over the next 2, 20, 30, 40 years how
> much the numbers *would* have increased had we not taken a stand?
> Neither you nor I can answer that with any certainty at this point, and
> we certainly can't afford to sit around doing nothing to wait and find
> out.
>
That's not he question to ask at all, because in 2, 20, 30, 40 the
numbers will increase, there is no question.
> I'm glad that your attitude wasn't prevalent in WWII after we were in it
> only 6 months. By the numbers, lots of money had been spent, and deaths
> only increased. So I guess we should have pulled out. I wonder what
> our lives would be like now. Idiot.
Ah the US education system at work, you seem unaware how the US sat at
the sidelines for TWO YEARS while WWII raged on. I wonder what your
life would be like now if Canada and England hadn't held out on their
own for those two years. Idiot indeed.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <lCEkb.282$wd3.2073786@news-text.cableinet.net>,
jeep@_nospam_milne.info says...
> yes, there are 5 million people in Scotland, 60 million in the UK. However,
> our motorways are amongs the most crowded in Europe, and average mileage is
> about 12K/yr. I'm not against improving road safety, just those who blindly
> attacking SUVs and ignore why people have those SUVs or how many miles they
> do in them ... let's face it, SUVs are an easy target .
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
Well that's the problem isn't it, these people are more than happy to
take try and take your 4x4 away in order for them to feel safer on the
roads, but spend a dime of their tax money on research into something
that could save thousands of lives like autonomous freeway navigation
and they'll kick the man responsible out of office.
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jeep@_nospam_milne.info says...
> yes, there are 5 million people in Scotland, 60 million in the UK. However,
> our motorways are amongs the most crowded in Europe, and average mileage is
> about 12K/yr. I'm not against improving road safety, just those who blindly
> attacking SUVs and ignore why people have those SUVs or how many miles they
> do in them ... let's face it, SUVs are an easy target .
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
Well that's the problem isn't it, these people are more than happy to
take try and take your 4x4 away in order for them to feel safer on the
roads, but spend a dime of their tax money on research into something
that could save thousands of lives like autonomous freeway navigation
and they'll kick the man responsible out of office.
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