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#7211
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
countries like China refuse to play. Continuing to work with these guys to
resolve this policy is a good thing.... but:
The focus is all hosed. Just like I learned in college physics.... you can
"prove" anything you want with statistics, if you massage the data
appropriately. If you blindly look ONLY at the meteorological data over the
last 30 years, we seem to have a global warming problem, and the liberal
wackos in the media are really playing that up. HOWEVER, if you look back
further.... say back to the beginning .... when we first started really
collecting met data.... you'll find that, even over the short period of 100
years, we've seen a period of global COOLING.... and now we're in the upside
of the cycle. Climate changes are cyclic, and I've never seen the scare
tactics in the history books about the cooling side of the cycle....
hmmmm... guess there was no political advantage to it! Furthermore, climate
changes take HUNDREDS of years, not 10 or 20 or 30.... The scare about
global warming is simply unfounded...
Remember the panic about the "growing" hole in the ozone layer? It's like
somebody in the media realized there was a hole, and then created a panic,
because they arbitrarily decided it was growing when, in fact, it was
SHRINKING.... and it's HAS been shrinking since the 50's.... Hmmm....
haven't heard about that one lately have we?
I'm a snow skier.... and I don't quite understand why, if the climate is
warming at such an alarming rate, why Mount Baker got their all-time record
of 1100 inches of snow in '98, well into the "warming period" and why we've
seen so many epic snow years in the Rockies AND out east.... Targhee in
Wyoming has received over 200 inches so far this year.... shouldn't these
things happen during global "cooling" and not global "warming"? For some
reason, I don't see any reason to worry about Northern Alabama becoming the
next Mojave Desert soon....
But really don't have a strong opinion on this....
:-)
Steve
2000 Cherokee Classic
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:3FB55E72.A103DE37@kinez.net...
>
>
> Brent P wrote:
> >
> > The people of those countries are just trying to make some money and
> > get some food on the table. IMO, if the environmentalists and labor
> > unions really put their fundamental beliefs before politics there would
> > be a huge outcry about the pollution and the total lack of worker
> > protections in these countries. Instead there's a whimper now and then
> > about jobs going overseas, protecting US jobs and which famous person
> > has their signature line made in a sweat shop somewhere in the 3rd
world.
> > If there really was a desire to protect US jobs and the environment they
> > would be pushing for laws that prevented the sale of products unless the
> > production met set a standards. This way the workers would have a safe
> > work environment, a clean environment, etc and so on.
>
> There's the other side of that coin on which the local people are being
> paid slave wages but resent idealistic U.S. college students protesting
> the sweat shops, and the result being that the sweat shops close down
> over the publicity and pressure, and instead of, say, a young girl
> having a poor paying job in a sweat factory, she is now forced into
> prostitution in order to live. I heard a program on NPR in which they
> interviewed some of the angry foreigners about that while college
> protests were going on in the U.S. (OK OK - I admit it - I sometimes
> listen to NPR, or IPR or whatever they're calling themselves these
> days).
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
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> -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
countries like China refuse to play. Continuing to work with these guys to
resolve this policy is a good thing.... but:
The focus is all hosed. Just like I learned in college physics.... you can
"prove" anything you want with statistics, if you massage the data
appropriately. If you blindly look ONLY at the meteorological data over the
last 30 years, we seem to have a global warming problem, and the liberal
wackos in the media are really playing that up. HOWEVER, if you look back
further.... say back to the beginning .... when we first started really
collecting met data.... you'll find that, even over the short period of 100
years, we've seen a period of global COOLING.... and now we're in the upside
of the cycle. Climate changes are cyclic, and I've never seen the scare
tactics in the history books about the cooling side of the cycle....
hmmmm... guess there was no political advantage to it! Furthermore, climate
changes take HUNDREDS of years, not 10 or 20 or 30.... The scare about
global warming is simply unfounded...
Remember the panic about the "growing" hole in the ozone layer? It's like
somebody in the media realized there was a hole, and then created a panic,
because they arbitrarily decided it was growing when, in fact, it was
SHRINKING.... and it's HAS been shrinking since the 50's.... Hmmm....
haven't heard about that one lately have we?
I'm a snow skier.... and I don't quite understand why, if the climate is
warming at such an alarming rate, why Mount Baker got their all-time record
of 1100 inches of snow in '98, well into the "warming period" and why we've
seen so many epic snow years in the Rockies AND out east.... Targhee in
Wyoming has received over 200 inches so far this year.... shouldn't these
things happen during global "cooling" and not global "warming"? For some
reason, I don't see any reason to worry about Northern Alabama becoming the
next Mojave Desert soon....
But really don't have a strong opinion on this....
:-)
Steve
2000 Cherokee Classic
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:3FB55E72.A103DE37@kinez.net...
>
>
> Brent P wrote:
> >
> > The people of those countries are just trying to make some money and
> > get some food on the table. IMO, if the environmentalists and labor
> > unions really put their fundamental beliefs before politics there would
> > be a huge outcry about the pollution and the total lack of worker
> > protections in these countries. Instead there's a whimper now and then
> > about jobs going overseas, protecting US jobs and which famous person
> > has their signature line made in a sweat shop somewhere in the 3rd
world.
> > If there really was a desire to protect US jobs and the environment they
> > would be pushing for laws that prevented the sale of products unless the
> > production met set a standards. This way the workers would have a safe
> > work environment, a clean environment, etc and so on.
>
> There's the other side of that coin on which the local people are being
> paid slave wages but resent idealistic U.S. college students protesting
> the sweat shops, and the result being that the sweat shops close down
> over the publicity and pressure, and instead of, say, a young girl
> having a poor paying job in a sweat factory, she is now forced into
> prostitution in order to live. I heard a program on NPR in which they
> interviewed some of the angry foreigners about that while college
> protests were going on in the U.S. (OK OK - I admit it - I sometimes
> listen to NPR, or IPR or whatever they're calling themselves these
> days).
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
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> -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
#7212
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
countries like China refuse to play. Continuing to work with these guys to
resolve this policy is a good thing.... but:
The focus is all hosed. Just like I learned in college physics.... you can
"prove" anything you want with statistics, if you massage the data
appropriately. If you blindly look ONLY at the meteorological data over the
last 30 years, we seem to have a global warming problem, and the liberal
wackos in the media are really playing that up. HOWEVER, if you look back
further.... say back to the beginning .... when we first started really
collecting met data.... you'll find that, even over the short period of 100
years, we've seen a period of global COOLING.... and now we're in the upside
of the cycle. Climate changes are cyclic, and I've never seen the scare
tactics in the history books about the cooling side of the cycle....
hmmmm... guess there was no political advantage to it! Furthermore, climate
changes take HUNDREDS of years, not 10 or 20 or 30.... The scare about
global warming is simply unfounded...
Remember the panic about the "growing" hole in the ozone layer? It's like
somebody in the media realized there was a hole, and then created a panic,
because they arbitrarily decided it was growing when, in fact, it was
SHRINKING.... and it's HAS been shrinking since the 50's.... Hmmm....
haven't heard about that one lately have we?
I'm a snow skier.... and I don't quite understand why, if the climate is
warming at such an alarming rate, why Mount Baker got their all-time record
of 1100 inches of snow in '98, well into the "warming period" and why we've
seen so many epic snow years in the Rockies AND out east.... Targhee in
Wyoming has received over 200 inches so far this year.... shouldn't these
things happen during global "cooling" and not global "warming"? For some
reason, I don't see any reason to worry about Northern Alabama becoming the
next Mojave Desert soon....
But really don't have a strong opinion on this....
:-)
Steve
2000 Cherokee Classic
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:3FB55E72.A103DE37@kinez.net...
>
>
> Brent P wrote:
> >
> > The people of those countries are just trying to make some money and
> > get some food on the table. IMO, if the environmentalists and labor
> > unions really put their fundamental beliefs before politics there would
> > be a huge outcry about the pollution and the total lack of worker
> > protections in these countries. Instead there's a whimper now and then
> > about jobs going overseas, protecting US jobs and which famous person
> > has their signature line made in a sweat shop somewhere in the 3rd
world.
> > If there really was a desire to protect US jobs and the environment they
> > would be pushing for laws that prevented the sale of products unless the
> > production met set a standards. This way the workers would have a safe
> > work environment, a clean environment, etc and so on.
>
> There's the other side of that coin on which the local people are being
> paid slave wages but resent idealistic U.S. college students protesting
> the sweat shops, and the result being that the sweat shops close down
> over the publicity and pressure, and instead of, say, a young girl
> having a poor paying job in a sweat factory, she is now forced into
> prostitution in order to live. I heard a program on NPR in which they
> interviewed some of the angry foreigners about that while college
> protests were going on in the U.S. (OK OK - I admit it - I sometimes
> listen to NPR, or IPR or whatever they're calling themselves these
> days).
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
countries like China refuse to play. Continuing to work with these guys to
resolve this policy is a good thing.... but:
The focus is all hosed. Just like I learned in college physics.... you can
"prove" anything you want with statistics, if you massage the data
appropriately. If you blindly look ONLY at the meteorological data over the
last 30 years, we seem to have a global warming problem, and the liberal
wackos in the media are really playing that up. HOWEVER, if you look back
further.... say back to the beginning .... when we first started really
collecting met data.... you'll find that, even over the short period of 100
years, we've seen a period of global COOLING.... and now we're in the upside
of the cycle. Climate changes are cyclic, and I've never seen the scare
tactics in the history books about the cooling side of the cycle....
hmmmm... guess there was no political advantage to it! Furthermore, climate
changes take HUNDREDS of years, not 10 or 20 or 30.... The scare about
global warming is simply unfounded...
Remember the panic about the "growing" hole in the ozone layer? It's like
somebody in the media realized there was a hole, and then created a panic,
because they arbitrarily decided it was growing when, in fact, it was
SHRINKING.... and it's HAS been shrinking since the 50's.... Hmmm....
haven't heard about that one lately have we?
I'm a snow skier.... and I don't quite understand why, if the climate is
warming at such an alarming rate, why Mount Baker got their all-time record
of 1100 inches of snow in '98, well into the "warming period" and why we've
seen so many epic snow years in the Rockies AND out east.... Targhee in
Wyoming has received over 200 inches so far this year.... shouldn't these
things happen during global "cooling" and not global "warming"? For some
reason, I don't see any reason to worry about Northern Alabama becoming the
next Mojave Desert soon....
But really don't have a strong opinion on this....
:-)
Steve
2000 Cherokee Classic
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:3FB55E72.A103DE37@kinez.net...
>
>
> Brent P wrote:
> >
> > The people of those countries are just trying to make some money and
> > get some food on the table. IMO, if the environmentalists and labor
> > unions really put their fundamental beliefs before politics there would
> > be a huge outcry about the pollution and the total lack of worker
> > protections in these countries. Instead there's a whimper now and then
> > about jobs going overseas, protecting US jobs and which famous person
> > has their signature line made in a sweat shop somewhere in the 3rd
world.
> > If there really was a desire to protect US jobs and the environment they
> > would be pushing for laws that prevented the sale of products unless the
> > production met set a standards. This way the workers would have a safe
> > work environment, a clean environment, etc and so on.
>
> There's the other side of that coin on which the local people are being
> paid slave wages but resent idealistic U.S. college students protesting
> the sweat shops, and the result being that the sweat shops close down
> over the publicity and pressure, and instead of, say, a young girl
> having a poor paying job in a sweat factory, she is now forced into
> prostitution in order to live. I heard a program on NPR in which they
> interviewed some of the angry foreigners about that while college
> protests were going on in the U.S. (OK OK - I admit it - I sometimes
> listen to NPR, or IPR or whatever they're calling themselves these
> days).
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
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> -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
#7213
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
countries like China refuse to play. Continuing to work with these guys to
resolve this policy is a good thing.... but:
The focus is all hosed. Just like I learned in college physics.... you can
"prove" anything you want with statistics, if you massage the data
appropriately. If you blindly look ONLY at the meteorological data over the
last 30 years, we seem to have a global warming problem, and the liberal
wackos in the media are really playing that up. HOWEVER, if you look back
further.... say back to the beginning .... when we first started really
collecting met data.... you'll find that, even over the short period of 100
years, we've seen a period of global COOLING.... and now we're in the upside
of the cycle. Climate changes are cyclic, and I've never seen the scare
tactics in the history books about the cooling side of the cycle....
hmmmm... guess there was no political advantage to it! Furthermore, climate
changes take HUNDREDS of years, not 10 or 20 or 30.... The scare about
global warming is simply unfounded...
Remember the panic about the "growing" hole in the ozone layer? It's like
somebody in the media realized there was a hole, and then created a panic,
because they arbitrarily decided it was growing when, in fact, it was
SHRINKING.... and it's HAS been shrinking since the 50's.... Hmmm....
haven't heard about that one lately have we?
I'm a snow skier.... and I don't quite understand why, if the climate is
warming at such an alarming rate, why Mount Baker got their all-time record
of 1100 inches of snow in '98, well into the "warming period" and why we've
seen so many epic snow years in the Rockies AND out east.... Targhee in
Wyoming has received over 200 inches so far this year.... shouldn't these
things happen during global "cooling" and not global "warming"? For some
reason, I don't see any reason to worry about Northern Alabama becoming the
next Mojave Desert soon....
But really don't have a strong opinion on this....
:-)
Steve
2000 Cherokee Classic
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:3FB55E72.A103DE37@kinez.net...
>
>
> Brent P wrote:
> >
> > The people of those countries are just trying to make some money and
> > get some food on the table. IMO, if the environmentalists and labor
> > unions really put their fundamental beliefs before politics there would
> > be a huge outcry about the pollution and the total lack of worker
> > protections in these countries. Instead there's a whimper now and then
> > about jobs going overseas, protecting US jobs and which famous person
> > has their signature line made in a sweat shop somewhere in the 3rd
world.
> > If there really was a desire to protect US jobs and the environment they
> > would be pushing for laws that prevented the sale of products unless the
> > production met set a standards. This way the workers would have a safe
> > work environment, a clean environment, etc and so on.
>
> There's the other side of that coin on which the local people are being
> paid slave wages but resent idealistic U.S. college students protesting
> the sweat shops, and the result being that the sweat shops close down
> over the publicity and pressure, and instead of, say, a young girl
> having a poor paying job in a sweat factory, she is now forced into
> prostitution in order to live. I heard a program on NPR in which they
> interviewed some of the angry foreigners about that while college
> protests were going on in the U.S. (OK OK - I admit it - I sometimes
> listen to NPR, or IPR or whatever they're calling themselves these
> days).
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
countries like China refuse to play. Continuing to work with these guys to
resolve this policy is a good thing.... but:
The focus is all hosed. Just like I learned in college physics.... you can
"prove" anything you want with statistics, if you massage the data
appropriately. If you blindly look ONLY at the meteorological data over the
last 30 years, we seem to have a global warming problem, and the liberal
wackos in the media are really playing that up. HOWEVER, if you look back
further.... say back to the beginning .... when we first started really
collecting met data.... you'll find that, even over the short period of 100
years, we've seen a period of global COOLING.... and now we're in the upside
of the cycle. Climate changes are cyclic, and I've never seen the scare
tactics in the history books about the cooling side of the cycle....
hmmmm... guess there was no political advantage to it! Furthermore, climate
changes take HUNDREDS of years, not 10 or 20 or 30.... The scare about
global warming is simply unfounded...
Remember the panic about the "growing" hole in the ozone layer? It's like
somebody in the media realized there was a hole, and then created a panic,
because they arbitrarily decided it was growing when, in fact, it was
SHRINKING.... and it's HAS been shrinking since the 50's.... Hmmm....
haven't heard about that one lately have we?
I'm a snow skier.... and I don't quite understand why, if the climate is
warming at such an alarming rate, why Mount Baker got their all-time record
of 1100 inches of snow in '98, well into the "warming period" and why we've
seen so many epic snow years in the Rockies AND out east.... Targhee in
Wyoming has received over 200 inches so far this year.... shouldn't these
things happen during global "cooling" and not global "warming"? For some
reason, I don't see any reason to worry about Northern Alabama becoming the
next Mojave Desert soon....
But really don't have a strong opinion on this....
:-)
Steve
2000 Cherokee Classic
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:3FB55E72.A103DE37@kinez.net...
>
>
> Brent P wrote:
> >
> > The people of those countries are just trying to make some money and
> > get some food on the table. IMO, if the environmentalists and labor
> > unions really put their fundamental beliefs before politics there would
> > be a huge outcry about the pollution and the total lack of worker
> > protections in these countries. Instead there's a whimper now and then
> > about jobs going overseas, protecting US jobs and which famous person
> > has their signature line made in a sweat shop somewhere in the 3rd
world.
> > If there really was a desire to protect US jobs and the environment they
> > would be pushing for laws that prevented the sale of products unless the
> > production met set a standards. This way the workers would have a safe
> > work environment, a clean environment, etc and so on.
>
> There's the other side of that coin on which the local people are being
> paid slave wages but resent idealistic U.S. college students protesting
> the sweat shops, and the result being that the sweat shops close down
> over the publicity and pressure, and instead of, say, a young girl
> having a poor paying job in a sweat factory, she is now forced into
> prostitution in order to live. I heard a program on NPR in which they
> interviewed some of the angry foreigners about that while college
> protests were going on in the U.S. (OK OK - I admit it - I sometimes
> listen to NPR, or IPR or whatever they're calling themselves these
> days).
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
#7214
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
"Stroyer" <stroyer@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:vvdtb78hdq3g69@corp.supernews.com...
> Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
> Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in
that
> we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
> countries like China refuse to play.
You mean Developed countries like America? They decided to ratiy the treaty
then Bush said no...
So much dfor democracy, thats a dictatorship.
>
> I'm a snow skier.... and I don't quite understand why, if the climate is
> warming at such an alarming rate, why Mount Baker got their all-time
record
> of 1100 inches of snow in '98, well into the "warming period" and why
we've
> seen so many epic snow years in the Rockies AND out east.... Targhee in
> Wyoming has received over 200 inches so far this year.... shouldn't these
> things happen during global "cooling" and not global "warming"?
Extra heat means more evaporation leading to more water in the air than upon
hitting cold areas precipate out as heavier than normal rain or snow.
For some
> reason, I don't see any reason to worry about Northern Alabama becoming
the
> next Mojave Desert soon....
>
> But really don't have a strong opinion on this....
>
> :-)
>
> Steve
>
> 2000 Cherokee Classic
Rhys.
1988 Isuzu Bighorn, (Trooper in the states)
#7215
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
"Stroyer" <stroyer@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:vvdtb78hdq3g69@corp.supernews.com...
> Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
> Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in
that
> we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
> countries like China refuse to play.
You mean Developed countries like America? They decided to ratiy the treaty
then Bush said no...
So much dfor democracy, thats a dictatorship.
>
> I'm a snow skier.... and I don't quite understand why, if the climate is
> warming at such an alarming rate, why Mount Baker got their all-time
record
> of 1100 inches of snow in '98, well into the "warming period" and why
we've
> seen so many epic snow years in the Rockies AND out east.... Targhee in
> Wyoming has received over 200 inches so far this year.... shouldn't these
> things happen during global "cooling" and not global "warming"?
Extra heat means more evaporation leading to more water in the air than upon
hitting cold areas precipate out as heavier than normal rain or snow.
For some
> reason, I don't see any reason to worry about Northern Alabama becoming
the
> next Mojave Desert soon....
>
> But really don't have a strong opinion on this....
>
> :-)
>
> Steve
>
> 2000 Cherokee Classic
Rhys.
1988 Isuzu Bighorn, (Trooper in the states)
#7216
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
"Stroyer" <stroyer@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:vvdtb78hdq3g69@corp.supernews.com...
> Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
> Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in
that
> we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
> countries like China refuse to play.
You mean Developed countries like America? They decided to ratiy the treaty
then Bush said no...
So much dfor democracy, thats a dictatorship.
>
> I'm a snow skier.... and I don't quite understand why, if the climate is
> warming at such an alarming rate, why Mount Baker got their all-time
record
> of 1100 inches of snow in '98, well into the "warming period" and why
we've
> seen so many epic snow years in the Rockies AND out east.... Targhee in
> Wyoming has received over 200 inches so far this year.... shouldn't these
> things happen during global "cooling" and not global "warming"?
Extra heat means more evaporation leading to more water in the air than upon
hitting cold areas precipate out as heavier than normal rain or snow.
For some
> reason, I don't see any reason to worry about Northern Alabama becoming
the
> next Mojave Desert soon....
>
> But really don't have a strong opinion on this....
>
> :-)
>
> Steve
>
> 2000 Cherokee Classic
Rhys.
1988 Isuzu Bighorn, (Trooper in the states)
#7217
Guest
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
In article <3ff72a19@news.iconz.co.nz>, rnf2 wrote:
>
> "Stroyer" <stroyer@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:vvdtb78hdq3g69@corp.supernews.com...
>> Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
>> Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
>> we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
>> countries like China refuse to play.
> You mean Developed countries like America? They decided to ratiy the treaty
> then Bush said no...
> So much dfor democracy, thats a dictatorship.
So why didn't the US approve the kyoto treaty durring 8 years of the
rule of Bill Clinton? The answer is easy, the kyoto treaty does nothing
to reduce CO2 emissions. It only relocates them to other parts of the
world. This alone exposes it for what it is, a political and social
agenda, not for protecting the environment. If it were about protecting
the environment various manufacturing processes would have a set maximium
level of CO2 released regardless of where in the world the manufacturing
plant was located. Also, by encouraging yet more manufacturing to go to
nations with little in the way of environmental protections the treaty
would only bring about more environmental damage, not less. See the
rest of this thread as it has all be covered already.
> Extra heat means more evaporation leading to more water in the air than upon
> hitting cold areas precipate out as heavier than normal rain or snow.
That's the beauty of the global warming theory, no matter what happens
it proves global warming theory. Colder, wetter, hotter, drier, doesn't
matter it's all covered.
>
> "Stroyer" <stroyer@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:vvdtb78hdq3g69@corp.supernews.com...
>> Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
>> Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
>> we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
>> countries like China refuse to play.
> You mean Developed countries like America? They decided to ratiy the treaty
> then Bush said no...
> So much dfor democracy, thats a dictatorship.
So why didn't the US approve the kyoto treaty durring 8 years of the
rule of Bill Clinton? The answer is easy, the kyoto treaty does nothing
to reduce CO2 emissions. It only relocates them to other parts of the
world. This alone exposes it for what it is, a political and social
agenda, not for protecting the environment. If it were about protecting
the environment various manufacturing processes would have a set maximium
level of CO2 released regardless of where in the world the manufacturing
plant was located. Also, by encouraging yet more manufacturing to go to
nations with little in the way of environmental protections the treaty
would only bring about more environmental damage, not less. See the
rest of this thread as it has all be covered already.
> Extra heat means more evaporation leading to more water in the air than upon
> hitting cold areas precipate out as heavier than normal rain or snow.
That's the beauty of the global warming theory, no matter what happens
it proves global warming theory. Colder, wetter, hotter, drier, doesn't
matter it's all covered.
#7218
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
In article <3ff72a19@news.iconz.co.nz>, rnf2 wrote:
>
> "Stroyer" <stroyer@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:vvdtb78hdq3g69@corp.supernews.com...
>> Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
>> Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
>> we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
>> countries like China refuse to play.
> You mean Developed countries like America? They decided to ratiy the treaty
> then Bush said no...
> So much dfor democracy, thats a dictatorship.
So why didn't the US approve the kyoto treaty durring 8 years of the
rule of Bill Clinton? The answer is easy, the kyoto treaty does nothing
to reduce CO2 emissions. It only relocates them to other parts of the
world. This alone exposes it for what it is, a political and social
agenda, not for protecting the environment. If it were about protecting
the environment various manufacturing processes would have a set maximium
level of CO2 released regardless of where in the world the manufacturing
plant was located. Also, by encouraging yet more manufacturing to go to
nations with little in the way of environmental protections the treaty
would only bring about more environmental damage, not less. See the
rest of this thread as it has all be covered already.
> Extra heat means more evaporation leading to more water in the air than upon
> hitting cold areas precipate out as heavier than normal rain or snow.
That's the beauty of the global warming theory, no matter what happens
it proves global warming theory. Colder, wetter, hotter, drier, doesn't
matter it's all covered.
>
> "Stroyer" <stroyer@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:vvdtb78hdq3g69@corp.supernews.com...
>> Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
>> Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
>> we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
>> countries like China refuse to play.
> You mean Developed countries like America? They decided to ratiy the treaty
> then Bush said no...
> So much dfor democracy, thats a dictatorship.
So why didn't the US approve the kyoto treaty durring 8 years of the
rule of Bill Clinton? The answer is easy, the kyoto treaty does nothing
to reduce CO2 emissions. It only relocates them to other parts of the
world. This alone exposes it for what it is, a political and social
agenda, not for protecting the environment. If it were about protecting
the environment various manufacturing processes would have a set maximium
level of CO2 released regardless of where in the world the manufacturing
plant was located. Also, by encouraging yet more manufacturing to go to
nations with little in the way of environmental protections the treaty
would only bring about more environmental damage, not less. See the
rest of this thread as it has all be covered already.
> Extra heat means more evaporation leading to more water in the air than upon
> hitting cold areas precipate out as heavier than normal rain or snow.
That's the beauty of the global warming theory, no matter what happens
it proves global warming theory. Colder, wetter, hotter, drier, doesn't
matter it's all covered.
#7219
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
In article <3ff72a19@news.iconz.co.nz>, rnf2 wrote:
>
> "Stroyer" <stroyer@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:vvdtb78hdq3g69@corp.supernews.com...
>> Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
>> Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
>> we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
>> countries like China refuse to play.
> You mean Developed countries like America? They decided to ratiy the treaty
> then Bush said no...
> So much dfor democracy, thats a dictatorship.
So why didn't the US approve the kyoto treaty durring 8 years of the
rule of Bill Clinton? The answer is easy, the kyoto treaty does nothing
to reduce CO2 emissions. It only relocates them to other parts of the
world. This alone exposes it for what it is, a political and social
agenda, not for protecting the environment. If it were about protecting
the environment various manufacturing processes would have a set maximium
level of CO2 released regardless of where in the world the manufacturing
plant was located. Also, by encouraging yet more manufacturing to go to
nations with little in the way of environmental protections the treaty
would only bring about more environmental damage, not less. See the
rest of this thread as it has all be covered already.
> Extra heat means more evaporation leading to more water in the air than upon
> hitting cold areas precipate out as heavier than normal rain or snow.
That's the beauty of the global warming theory, no matter what happens
it proves global warming theory. Colder, wetter, hotter, drier, doesn't
matter it's all covered.
>
> "Stroyer" <stroyer@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:vvdtb78hdq3g69@corp.supernews.com...
>> Hey guys, I think we're missing the overal point, if we're talking Global
>> Warming. As far as environmental controls go, you guys are correct in that
>> we can't implement world environmental policy when the bigger developing
>> countries like China refuse to play.
> You mean Developed countries like America? They decided to ratiy the treaty
> then Bush said no...
> So much dfor democracy, thats a dictatorship.
So why didn't the US approve the kyoto treaty durring 8 years of the
rule of Bill Clinton? The answer is easy, the kyoto treaty does nothing
to reduce CO2 emissions. It only relocates them to other parts of the
world. This alone exposes it for what it is, a political and social
agenda, not for protecting the environment. If it were about protecting
the environment various manufacturing processes would have a set maximium
level of CO2 released regardless of where in the world the manufacturing
plant was located. Also, by encouraging yet more manufacturing to go to
nations with little in the way of environmental protections the treaty
would only bring about more environmental damage, not less. See the
rest of this thread as it has all be covered already.
> Extra heat means more evaporation leading to more water in the air than upon
> hitting cold areas precipate out as heavier than normal rain or snow.
That's the beauty of the global warming theory, no matter what happens
it proves global warming theory. Colder, wetter, hotter, drier, doesn't
matter it's all covered.
#7220
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?
"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:LdGJb.213224$8y1.751183@attbi_s52...
> In article <3ff72a19@news.iconz.co.nz>, rnf2 wrote:
>
> That's the beauty of the global warming theory, no matter what happens
> it proves global warming theory. Colder, wetter, hotter, drier, doesn't
> matter it's all covered.
>
Well, exactly. The fundamental part of the global warming theory is that
global warming is causing weather change. Thus, the weather change would
logically be either or any of colder, wetter, hotter, drier, etc.
However, weather change in and of itself, does not prove that global warming
is happening and is causing weather change. While the general public - like
you
- seems to have made this cyclical connection the scientists prove that the
globe is warming by the act of actually measuring it's temperature change
with
a thermometor over time. They also prove (or attempt to prove) that weather
change is happening by actually measuring that over time too.
Ted