On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:08:24 -0800, Marc <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote:

>Simply put, that is all you need to say. We know that there are a large
>number of incompetent drivers out there. Would you rather them be hitting
>you while driving larger or smaller vehicles? Do you think that their
>inferior skills attempt to control a 6000 lb vehicle with a high roll
>center that wasn't designed solely for on road use (despite the fact that
>they will never take it off-road) or would you rather them be in a 2000 lb
>vehicle with a low roll center optimized solely for on-road travel?

Given my druthers, I'd like to see a system of licensing that actually
keeps incompetent drivers off the roads.
Failing that (which is the reality), I'd like to see a system that at
the least tests for some sort of driving ability, instead of the
present American system that seems to believe that driving is a
necessity, and passes everyone who knows their ZIP code (and has the
testers prompt those who are in danger of failing even that criteria).

 

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:08:24 -0800, Marc <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote:

>Simply put, that is all you need to say. We know that there are a large
>number of incompetent drivers out there. Would you rather them be hitting
>you while driving larger or smaller vehicles? Do you think that their
>inferior skills attempt to control a 6000 lb vehicle with a high roll
>center that wasn't designed solely for on road use (despite the fact that
>they will never take it off-road) or would you rather them be in a 2000 lb
>vehicle with a low roll center optimized solely for on-road travel?

Given my druthers, I'd like to see a system of licensing that actually
keeps incompetent drivers off the roads.
Failing that (which is the reality), I'd like to see a system that at
the least tests for some sort of driving ability, instead of the
present American system that seems to believe that driving is a
necessity, and passes everyone who knows their ZIP code (and has the
testers prompt those who are in danger of failing even that criteria).

 

>
> Most SUVs are and will be car based in design. Virtually every
> manufacturer now has at least two car or mini van based SUVs and the
> trend will unfortunately continue until we are forced into calling a
> unibody soda can with a sewing machine engine in it a "truck".

Y'know, that's something I was thinking, too. Many SUVs are suffering from
their own popularity. Would ANY SUV be appropriate for severe off-road use
if it was manufactured recently? I don't know. What I have noticed though,
is some of the larger SUVs are substituting soft-ride car suspensions for
the previous hardened truck suspensions. OK, so it's more appropriate for
the way the vehicle is actually used by most owners. But what about the few
who actually want to take the thing off-road? -Dave (would go off-road if
he owned an SUV)

 

>
> Most SUVs are and will be car based in design. Virtually every
> manufacturer now has at least two car or mini van based SUVs and the
> trend will unfortunately continue until we are forced into calling a
> unibody soda can with a sewing machine engine in it a "truck".

Y'know, that's something I was thinking, too. Many SUVs are suffering from
their own popularity. Would ANY SUV be appropriate for severe off-road use
if it was manufactured recently? I don't know. What I have noticed though,
is some of the larger SUVs are substituting soft-ride car suspensions for
the previous hardened truck suspensions. OK, so it's more appropriate for
the way the vehicle is actually used by most owners. But what about the few
who actually want to take the thing off-road? -Dave (would go off-road if
he owned an SUV)

 

>
> Most SUVs are and will be car based in design. Virtually every
> manufacturer now has at least two car or mini van based SUVs and the
> trend will unfortunately continue until we are forced into calling a
> unibody soda can with a sewing machine engine in it a "truck".

Y'know, that's something I was thinking, too. Many SUVs are suffering from
their own popularity. Would ANY SUV be appropriate for severe off-road use
if it was manufactured recently? I don't know. What I have noticed though,
is some of the larger SUVs are substituting soft-ride car suspensions for
the previous hardened truck suspensions. OK, so it's more appropriate for
the way the vehicle is actually used by most owners. But what about the few
who actually want to take the thing off-road? -Dave (would go off-road if
he owned an SUV)

 

>
> The forester is really just the newest version of subaru's station wagon.
> They might market it differently, but it's a station wagon. (unless I
> remembered wrong and now look stupid:) ) Not an evil thing, just a
> AWD wagon in the tradition of the original AMC eagle.

Yeah, I know it's a decent vehicle. But it's virtually identical to what
she's currently driving, so I don't see the point. :) -Dave

 

>
> The forester is really just the newest version of subaru's station wagon.
> They might market it differently, but it's a station wagon. (unless I
> remembered wrong and now look stupid:) ) Not an evil thing, just a
> AWD wagon in the tradition of the original AMC eagle.

Yeah, I know it's a decent vehicle. But it's virtually identical to what
she's currently driving, so I don't see the point. :) -Dave

 

>
> The forester is really just the newest version of subaru's station wagon.
> They might market it differently, but it's a station wagon. (unless I
> remembered wrong and now look stupid:) ) Not an evil thing, just a
> AWD wagon in the tradition of the original AMC eagle.

Yeah, I know it's a decent vehicle. But it's virtually identical to what
she's currently driving, so I don't see the point. :) -Dave

 

>
> Fast forward 15 years and there won't be any cars left to hear you tell
> it, they will all be destroyed by SUVs.
> --

I know you weren't responding to me. I think you are a bit confused. -Dave

 

>
> Fast forward 15 years and there won't be any cars left to hear you tell
> it, they will all be destroyed by SUVs.
> --

I know you weren't responding to me. I think you are a bit confused. -Dave