Lloyd Parker wrote:

> Unless you're driving an Infiniti FX,

I actually like the styling of the Infinity FX, it's Japanese and it's an SUV.
What's the world coming to?

(Though I do think it'd look better if it was lowered and used slightly smaller
wheels, i.e. was a _CAR_. Kinda like the upcoming 300 Touring AWD, although it
still wouldn't look quite that good...)


--Aardwolf.

 

In article <3F9230F2.9408729A@itis.com>, se1aard1@itis.com says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > Repeal CAFE and what, bring back the 454cu "family sedan"? Now there's
> > a plan.
>
> That sounds like quite a plan (no quotes necessary by the way).
>
>
> >Offer it in 4wd and maybe I'll buy one.
>
> GM-Holden already does, almost. Tows 5000 lbs. All they need now is a ladder
> frame, which I believe one related model uses, and a big block V8 (or just an
> LS1 bored out to 427ci, which does already exist).
>
> --Aardwolf.
>

I assume you are talking about something like the Adventra. If they can
just avoid having the "SUV" moniker applied to it it will coast
effortlessly under the greenie radar. Of course that thing would never
sell in America if they called it a station wagon.


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In article <3F9230F2.9408729A@itis.com>, se1aard1@itis.com says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > Repeal CAFE and what, bring back the 454cu "family sedan"? Now there's
> > a plan.
>
> That sounds like quite a plan (no quotes necessary by the way).
>
>
> >Offer it in 4wd and maybe I'll buy one.
>
> GM-Holden already does, almost. Tows 5000 lbs. All they need now is a ladder
> frame, which I believe one related model uses, and a big block V8 (or just an
> LS1 bored out to 427ci, which does already exist).
>
> --Aardwolf.
>

I assume you are talking about something like the Adventra. If they can
just avoid having the "SUV" moniker applied to it it will coast
effortlessly under the greenie radar. Of course that thing would never
sell in America if they called it a station wagon.


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In article <3F9230F2.9408729A@itis.com>, se1aard1@itis.com says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > Repeal CAFE and what, bring back the 454cu "family sedan"? Now there's
> > a plan.
>
> That sounds like quite a plan (no quotes necessary by the way).
>
>
> >Offer it in 4wd and maybe I'll buy one.
>
> GM-Holden already does, almost. Tows 5000 lbs. All they need now is a ladder
> frame, which I believe one related model uses, and a big block V8 (or just an
> LS1 bored out to 427ci, which does already exist).
>
> --Aardwolf.
>

I assume you are talking about something like the Adventra. If they can
just avoid having the "SUV" moniker applied to it it will coast
effortlessly under the greenie radar. Of course that thing would never
sell in America if they called it a station wagon.


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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0310171205180.4904->
> > CAFE has effectively limited the weight of passenger vehicles. CAFE has
> > been shown to cost lives for exactly this reason.
>
> This may be true, but CAFE has also saved lives, because forcing vehicles
> to use less fuel helps to reduce pollution, and thus fewer people dying each
> year
> as a result of pollution-related illnesses. Most likely the lives lost by
> one
> thing are balanced by the other.
>

It's been shown more than once that the vast majority of the problem--probably
more than 80%--is caused by a very small minority of severely out of tune
vehicles, of any age, any engine size, but most less than 10 years old simply do
to demographic trends in the vehicle population. Even a 1968 Hemi Charger,
running within specifications (if any at all are still used as daily drivers
anywhere on this continent), is virtually indistinguishable from a brand new
car, emmissions wise, when compared to one of those aforementioned
pollution-spewing wrecks.

--Aardwolf

 

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0310171205180.4904->
> > CAFE has effectively limited the weight of passenger vehicles. CAFE has
> > been shown to cost lives for exactly this reason.
>
> This may be true, but CAFE has also saved lives, because forcing vehicles
> to use less fuel helps to reduce pollution, and thus fewer people dying each
> year
> as a result of pollution-related illnesses. Most likely the lives lost by
> one
> thing are balanced by the other.
>

It's been shown more than once that the vast majority of the problem--probably
more than 80%--is caused by a very small minority of severely out of tune
vehicles, of any age, any engine size, but most less than 10 years old simply do
to demographic trends in the vehicle population. Even a 1968 Hemi Charger,
running within specifications (if any at all are still used as daily drivers
anywhere on this continent), is virtually indistinguishable from a brand new
car, emmissions wise, when compared to one of those aforementioned
pollution-spewing wrecks.

--Aardwolf

 

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0310171205180.4904->
> > CAFE has effectively limited the weight of passenger vehicles. CAFE has
> > been shown to cost lives for exactly this reason.
>
> This may be true, but CAFE has also saved lives, because forcing vehicles
> to use less fuel helps to reduce pollution, and thus fewer people dying each
> year
> as a result of pollution-related illnesses. Most likely the lives lost by
> one
> thing are balanced by the other.
>

It's been shown more than once that the vast majority of the problem--probably
more than 80%--is caused by a very small minority of severely out of tune
vehicles, of any age, any engine size, but most less than 10 years old simply do
to demographic trends in the vehicle population. Even a 1968 Hemi Charger,
running within specifications (if any at all are still used as daily drivers
anywhere on this continent), is virtually indistinguishable from a brand new
car, emmissions wise, when compared to one of those aforementioned
pollution-spewing wrecks.

--Aardwolf

 

In article <3F9235DC.AD3A628B@itis.com>, Aardwolf wrote:
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0310171205180.4904->
>> > CAFE has effectively limited the weight of passenger vehicles. CAFE has
>> > been shown to cost lives for exactly this reason.
>>
>> This may be true, but CAFE has also saved lives, because forcing vehicles
>> to use less fuel helps to reduce pollution, and thus fewer people dying each
>> year
>> as a result of pollution-related illnesses. Most likely the lives lost by
>> one
>> thing are balanced by the other.
>>
>
> It's been shown more than once that the vast majority of the problem--probably
> more than 80%--is caused by a very small minority of severely out of tune
> vehicles, of any age, any engine size, but most less than 10 years old simply do
> to demographic trends in the vehicle population. Even a 1968 Hemi Charger,
> running within specifications (if any at all are still used as daily drivers
> anywhere on this continent), is virtually indistinguishable from a brand new
> car, emmissions wise, when compared to one of those aforementioned
> pollution-spewing wrecks.

You are generally correct.... but...
'68 is a little too far back, it would be impossible to get a stock
'68 to current new car levels. But it would probably be about the
same as an SUV on cold day. Back when IL had the same test for cars
of all years, my '73 had test results similiar to a '94 S10. this
was in 1995 or 96.

 

In article <3F9235DC.AD3A628B@itis.com>, Aardwolf wrote:
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0310171205180.4904->
>> > CAFE has effectively limited the weight of passenger vehicles. CAFE has
>> > been shown to cost lives for exactly this reason.
>>
>> This may be true, but CAFE has also saved lives, because forcing vehicles
>> to use less fuel helps to reduce pollution, and thus fewer people dying each
>> year
>> as a result of pollution-related illnesses. Most likely the lives lost by
>> one
>> thing are balanced by the other.
>>
>
> It's been shown more than once that the vast majority of the problem--probably
> more than 80%--is caused by a very small minority of severely out of tune
> vehicles, of any age, any engine size, but most less than 10 years old simply do
> to demographic trends in the vehicle population. Even a 1968 Hemi Charger,
> running within specifications (if any at all are still used as daily drivers
> anywhere on this continent), is virtually indistinguishable from a brand new
> car, emmissions wise, when compared to one of those aforementioned
> pollution-spewing wrecks.

You are generally correct.... but...
'68 is a little too far back, it would be impossible to get a stock
'68 to current new car levels. But it would probably be about the
same as an SUV on cold day. Back when IL had the same test for cars
of all years, my '73 had test results similiar to a '94 S10. this
was in 1995 or 96.

 

In article <3F9235DC.AD3A628B@itis.com>, Aardwolf wrote:
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0310171205180.4904->
>> > CAFE has effectively limited the weight of passenger vehicles. CAFE has
>> > been shown to cost lives for exactly this reason.
>>
>> This may be true, but CAFE has also saved lives, because forcing vehicles
>> to use less fuel helps to reduce pollution, and thus fewer people dying each
>> year
>> as a result of pollution-related illnesses. Most likely the lives lost by
>> one
>> thing are balanced by the other.
>>
>
> It's been shown more than once that the vast majority of the problem--probably
> more than 80%--is caused by a very small minority of severely out of tune
> vehicles, of any age, any engine size, but most less than 10 years old simply do
> to demographic trends in the vehicle population. Even a 1968 Hemi Charger,
> running within specifications (if any at all are still used as daily drivers
> anywhere on this continent), is virtually indistinguishable from a brand new
> car, emmissions wise, when compared to one of those aforementioned
> pollution-spewing wrecks.

You are generally correct.... but...
'68 is a little too far back, it would be impossible to get a stock
'68 to current new car levels. But it would probably be about the
same as an SUV on cold day. Back when IL had the same test for cars
of all years, my '73 had test results similiar to a '94 S10. this
was in 1995 or 96.