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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, vlj wrote:
> Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies.
This is very well documented by historic texts.
> It was then co-opted by the church(es).
This, too, is very well documented by historic texts.
> Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of property
> and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter and
> then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is most
> medieval ...
Well, at the very least, it begs the very interesting question of what
basis the likes of C.E. White have for defending the definition set
approximately 180 years ago on the grounds it's "Traditional",
simultaneously disregarding the many additional historical centuries of
considerably less savory "tradition" in the matter of marriage.
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> Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies.
This is very well documented by historic texts.
> It was then co-opted by the church(es).
This, too, is very well documented by historic texts.
> Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of property
> and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter and
> then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is most
> medieval ...
Well, at the very least, it begs the very interesting question of what
basis the likes of C.E. White have for defending the definition set
approximately 180 years ago on the grounds it's "Traditional",
simultaneously disregarding the many additional historical centuries of
considerably less savory "tradition" in the matter of marriage.
DS
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, vlj wrote:
> Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies.
This is very well documented by historic texts.
> It was then co-opted by the church(es).
This, too, is very well documented by historic texts.
> Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of property
> and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter and
> then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is most
> medieval ...
Well, at the very least, it begs the very interesting question of what
basis the likes of C.E. White have for defending the definition set
approximately 180 years ago on the grounds it's "Traditional",
simultaneously disregarding the many additional historical centuries of
considerably less savory "tradition" in the matter of marriage.
DS
> Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies.
This is very well documented by historic texts.
> It was then co-opted by the church(es).
This, too, is very well documented by historic texts.
> Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of property
> and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter and
> then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is most
> medieval ...
Well, at the very least, it begs the very interesting question of what
basis the likes of C.E. White have for defending the definition set
approximately 180 years ago on the grounds it's "Traditional",
simultaneously disregarding the many additional historical centuries of
considerably less savory "tradition" in the matter of marriage.
DS
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, vlj wrote:
> Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies.
This is very well documented by historic texts.
> It was then co-opted by the church(es).
This, too, is very well documented by historic texts.
> Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of property
> and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter and
> then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is most
> medieval ...
Well, at the very least, it begs the very interesting question of what
basis the likes of C.E. White have for defending the definition set
approximately 180 years ago on the grounds it's "Traditional",
simultaneously disregarding the many additional historical centuries of
considerably less savory "tradition" in the matter of marriage.
DS
> Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies.
This is very well documented by historic texts.
> It was then co-opted by the church(es).
This, too, is very well documented by historic texts.
> Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of property
> and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter and
> then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is most
> medieval ...
Well, at the very least, it begs the very interesting question of what
basis the likes of C.E. White have for defending the definition set
approximately 180 years ago on the grounds it's "Traditional",
simultaneously disregarding the many additional historical centuries of
considerably less savory "tradition" in the matter of marriage.
DS
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:02:06 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Brandon Sommerville wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:00:25 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I am not suggesting that the government institutionalize discrimination. Marriage
>> >is a union between a man and a woman. It is not a same --- union. If there are
>> >particular laws related to the term "marriage" that make "marriages" beneficial
>> >and same --- unions feel they deserve these benefits, then change the law, or
>> >have the law ruled unconstitutional. Don't try to circumvent the process by
>> >redefining the word.
>>
>> This confuses me greatly. If two men or two women want to be joined
>> as a family in a marriage, how does it detract from your marriage?
>
>It is not a marriage.
It's a commitment between two people to live together and care for
each other. Sounds like a marriage to me. Hell, hopefully they'll be
better at it than hetero couples, isn't the divorce rate around 50%
now?
>I am not opposed to people of the same --- entering into a
>commited relationship, but that is not the same thing as a traditional marriage.
How does calling their relationship marriage change your marriage?
>If
>there are benefits related to a traditional marriage that same --- couple feel they
>are entitled to, then they should petition their representatives to pass laws to
>extend these benefits to them and not try to duck the process by redefining an
>establishment that has long been in place.
Just become something is traditionally limited doesn't make that
limitation sensible.
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<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Brandon Sommerville wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:00:25 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I am not suggesting that the government institutionalize discrimination. Marriage
>> >is a union between a man and a woman. It is not a same --- union. If there are
>> >particular laws related to the term "marriage" that make "marriages" beneficial
>> >and same --- unions feel they deserve these benefits, then change the law, or
>> >have the law ruled unconstitutional. Don't try to circumvent the process by
>> >redefining the word.
>>
>> This confuses me greatly. If two men or two women want to be joined
>> as a family in a marriage, how does it detract from your marriage?
>
>It is not a marriage.
It's a commitment between two people to live together and care for
each other. Sounds like a marriage to me. Hell, hopefully they'll be
better at it than hetero couples, isn't the divorce rate around 50%
now?
>I am not opposed to people of the same --- entering into a
>commited relationship, but that is not the same thing as a traditional marriage.
How does calling their relationship marriage change your marriage?
>If
>there are benefits related to a traditional marriage that same --- couple feel they
>are entitled to, then they should petition their representatives to pass laws to
>extend these benefits to them and not try to duck the process by redefining an
>establishment that has long been in place.
Just become something is traditionally limited doesn't make that
limitation sensible.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:02:06 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Brandon Sommerville wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:00:25 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I am not suggesting that the government institutionalize discrimination. Marriage
>> >is a union between a man and a woman. It is not a same --- union. If there are
>> >particular laws related to the term "marriage" that make "marriages" beneficial
>> >and same --- unions feel they deserve these benefits, then change the law, or
>> >have the law ruled unconstitutional. Don't try to circumvent the process by
>> >redefining the word.
>>
>> This confuses me greatly. If two men or two women want to be joined
>> as a family in a marriage, how does it detract from your marriage?
>
>It is not a marriage.
It's a commitment between two people to live together and care for
each other. Sounds like a marriage to me. Hell, hopefully they'll be
better at it than hetero couples, isn't the divorce rate around 50%
now?
>I am not opposed to people of the same --- entering into a
>commited relationship, but that is not the same thing as a traditional marriage.
How does calling their relationship marriage change your marriage?
>If
>there are benefits related to a traditional marriage that same --- couple feel they
>are entitled to, then they should petition their representatives to pass laws to
>extend these benefits to them and not try to duck the process by redefining an
>establishment that has long been in place.
Just become something is traditionally limited doesn't make that
limitation sensible.
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<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Brandon Sommerville wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:00:25 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I am not suggesting that the government institutionalize discrimination. Marriage
>> >is a union between a man and a woman. It is not a same --- union. If there are
>> >particular laws related to the term "marriage" that make "marriages" beneficial
>> >and same --- unions feel they deserve these benefits, then change the law, or
>> >have the law ruled unconstitutional. Don't try to circumvent the process by
>> >redefining the word.
>>
>> This confuses me greatly. If two men or two women want to be joined
>> as a family in a marriage, how does it detract from your marriage?
>
>It is not a marriage.
It's a commitment between two people to live together and care for
each other. Sounds like a marriage to me. Hell, hopefully they'll be
better at it than hetero couples, isn't the divorce rate around 50%
now?
>I am not opposed to people of the same --- entering into a
>commited relationship, but that is not the same thing as a traditional marriage.
How does calling their relationship marriage change your marriage?
>If
>there are benefits related to a traditional marriage that same --- couple feel they
>are entitled to, then they should petition their representatives to pass laws to
>extend these benefits to them and not try to duck the process by redefining an
>establishment that has long been in place.
Just become something is traditionally limited doesn't make that
limitation sensible.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:02:06 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Brandon Sommerville wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:00:25 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I am not suggesting that the government institutionalize discrimination. Marriage
>> >is a union between a man and a woman. It is not a same --- union. If there are
>> >particular laws related to the term "marriage" that make "marriages" beneficial
>> >and same --- unions feel they deserve these benefits, then change the law, or
>> >have the law ruled unconstitutional. Don't try to circumvent the process by
>> >redefining the word.
>>
>> This confuses me greatly. If two men or two women want to be joined
>> as a family in a marriage, how does it detract from your marriage?
>
>It is not a marriage.
It's a commitment between two people to live together and care for
each other. Sounds like a marriage to me. Hell, hopefully they'll be
better at it than hetero couples, isn't the divorce rate around 50%
now?
>I am not opposed to people of the same --- entering into a
>commited relationship, but that is not the same thing as a traditional marriage.
How does calling their relationship marriage change your marriage?
>If
>there are benefits related to a traditional marriage that same --- couple feel they
>are entitled to, then they should petition their representatives to pass laws to
>extend these benefits to them and not try to duck the process by redefining an
>establishment that has long been in place.
Just become something is traditionally limited doesn't make that
limitation sensible.
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<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Brandon Sommerville wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:00:25 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I am not suggesting that the government institutionalize discrimination. Marriage
>> >is a union between a man and a woman. It is not a same --- union. If there are
>> >particular laws related to the term "marriage" that make "marriages" beneficial
>> >and same --- unions feel they deserve these benefits, then change the law, or
>> >have the law ruled unconstitutional. Don't try to circumvent the process by
>> >redefining the word.
>>
>> This confuses me greatly. If two men or two women want to be joined
>> as a family in a marriage, how does it detract from your marriage?
>
>It is not a marriage.
It's a commitment between two people to live together and care for
each other. Sounds like a marriage to me. Hell, hopefully they'll be
better at it than hetero couples, isn't the divorce rate around 50%
now?
>I am not opposed to people of the same --- entering into a
>commited relationship, but that is not the same thing as a traditional marriage.
How does calling their relationship marriage change your marriage?
>If
>there are benefits related to a traditional marriage that same --- couple feel they
>are entitled to, then they should petition their representatives to pass laws to
>extend these benefits to them and not try to duck the process by redefining an
>establishment that has long been in place.
Just become something is traditionally limited doesn't make that
limitation sensible.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:45:46 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Why are trees called tress, dogs called dogs, etc. If I call a cat a dog, does
>that make it a dog?
Not the same thing. You're refusing to call a cat a cat if it doesn't
have a tail.
>The laws related to the institution of marriage were set
>in place with the understanding that a marriage was a union between a man and
>a woman. Trying to extend those laws to cover same --- unions is not the right
>way to fix a perceived injustice. It may be the "liberal" way, but that
>doesn't make it right.
How does having two men or two women instead of a man and a woman make
the laws fall apart?
Is it because there might be questions about who wears the tux and who
the dress? Who changes their last name? Beyond that, I can't see any
issues at all.
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<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Why are trees called tress, dogs called dogs, etc. If I call a cat a dog, does
>that make it a dog?
Not the same thing. You're refusing to call a cat a cat if it doesn't
have a tail.
>The laws related to the institution of marriage were set
>in place with the understanding that a marriage was a union between a man and
>a woman. Trying to extend those laws to cover same --- unions is not the right
>way to fix a perceived injustice. It may be the "liberal" way, but that
>doesn't make it right.
How does having two men or two women instead of a man and a woman make
the laws fall apart?
Is it because there might be questions about who wears the tux and who
the dress? Who changes their last name? Beyond that, I can't see any
issues at all.
--
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:45:46 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Why are trees called tress, dogs called dogs, etc. If I call a cat a dog, does
>that make it a dog?
Not the same thing. You're refusing to call a cat a cat if it doesn't
have a tail.
>The laws related to the institution of marriage were set
>in place with the understanding that a marriage was a union between a man and
>a woman. Trying to extend those laws to cover same --- unions is not the right
>way to fix a perceived injustice. It may be the "liberal" way, but that
>doesn't make it right.
How does having two men or two women instead of a man and a woman make
the laws fall apart?
Is it because there might be questions about who wears the tux and who
the dress? Who changes their last name? Beyond that, I can't see any
issues at all.
--
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<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Why are trees called tress, dogs called dogs, etc. If I call a cat a dog, does
>that make it a dog?
Not the same thing. You're refusing to call a cat a cat if it doesn't
have a tail.
>The laws related to the institution of marriage were set
>in place with the understanding that a marriage was a union between a man and
>a woman. Trying to extend those laws to cover same --- unions is not the right
>way to fix a perceived injustice. It may be the "liberal" way, but that
>doesn't make it right.
How does having two men or two women instead of a man and a woman make
the laws fall apart?
Is it because there might be questions about who wears the tux and who
the dress? Who changes their last name? Beyond that, I can't see any
issues at all.
--
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:45:46 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Why are trees called tress, dogs called dogs, etc. If I call a cat a dog, does
>that make it a dog?
Not the same thing. You're refusing to call a cat a cat if it doesn't
have a tail.
>The laws related to the institution of marriage were set
>in place with the understanding that a marriage was a union between a man and
>a woman. Trying to extend those laws to cover same --- unions is not the right
>way to fix a perceived injustice. It may be the "liberal" way, but that
>doesn't make it right.
How does having two men or two women instead of a man and a woman make
the laws fall apart?
Is it because there might be questions about who wears the tux and who
the dress? Who changes their last name? Beyond that, I can't see any
issues at all.
--
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<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Why are trees called tress, dogs called dogs, etc. If I call a cat a dog, does
>that make it a dog?
Not the same thing. You're refusing to call a cat a cat if it doesn't
have a tail.
>The laws related to the institution of marriage were set
>in place with the understanding that a marriage was a union between a man and
>a woman. Trying to extend those laws to cover same --- unions is not the right
>way to fix a perceived injustice. It may be the "liberal" way, but that
>doesn't make it right.
How does having two men or two women instead of a man and a woman make
the laws fall apart?
Is it because there might be questions about who wears the tux and who
the dress? Who changes their last name? Beyond that, I can't see any
issues at all.
--
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
it's "septic decay" (non-aerated) that occurs without Oxygen... producing
Methane!
different bacteria perform the two types of decomposition
aerated: think well-turned compost pile -or- fermentation vat
non-aerated: think outhouse -or- poorly-turned compost pile
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Fermentation is, by definition, carried out without oxygen and
therefore
> > produces no CO2."
> > Go back to grade school:
> > "Alcohol fermentation is done by yeast and some kinds of bacteria. The
> > "waste" products of this process are ethanol and carbon dioxide (CO2)"
> > http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio104/cellresp.htm
>
> IIRC, the big concern of the environuts a few (maybe 10 or 15) years ago
that
> wanted to put something similar to sealed diapers on cows and other farm
animals
> was the release of too much methane into the atmosphere. Wouldn't you
like to
> have had the DependsT concession if that had gone thru, z?
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address
with
> "x")
>
>
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Methane!
different bacteria perform the two types of decomposition
aerated: think well-turned compost pile -or- fermentation vat
non-aerated: think outhouse -or- poorly-turned compost pile
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:3FCBD484.B1CFA8B@kinez.net...
>
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Fermentation is, by definition, carried out without oxygen and
therefore
> > produces no CO2."
> > Go back to grade school:
> > "Alcohol fermentation is done by yeast and some kinds of bacteria. The
> > "waste" products of this process are ethanol and carbon dioxide (CO2)"
> > http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio104/cellresp.htm
>
> IIRC, the big concern of the environuts a few (maybe 10 or 15) years ago
that
> wanted to put something similar to sealed diapers on cows and other farm
animals
> was the release of too much methane into the atmosphere. Wouldn't you
like to
> have had the DependsT concession if that had gone thru, z?
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address
with
> "x")
>
>
>
>
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