On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:31:18 -0500, "Daniel J. Stern"
<dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>...it's worth noting here that massage therapy for a wide range of
>ailments and injuries *is* covered under OHIP. The training and licencing
>standards for LMTs are accordingly tougher. This is a great example of how
>the Canadian system doesn't just toss everyone an aspirin and say "get
>lost" as those who've no direct experience with it seem to think.

To read some of this crap you'd think we were living in a third world
nation here. I guess some people like waiting 2 or more hours in the
doctor's waiting room to get looked at.
--
Brandon Sommerville
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:31:18 -0500, "Daniel J. Stern"
<dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>...it's worth noting here that massage therapy for a wide range of
>ailments and injuries *is* covered under OHIP. The training and licencing
>standards for LMTs are accordingly tougher. This is a great example of how
>the Canadian system doesn't just toss everyone an aspirin and say "get
>lost" as those who've no direct experience with it seem to think.

To read some of this crap you'd think we were living in a third world
nation here. I guess some people like waiting 2 or more hours in the
doctor's waiting room to get looked at.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail

Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.

 

Wrong way Jeepers.

You want to reply and leave 'this' group out of the reply.

That way the lemmings will hopefully follow up and miss this group.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

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> Dan Gates <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:
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Wrong way Jeepers.

You want to reply and leave 'this' group out of the reply.

That way the lemmings will hopefully follow up and miss this group.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <auadnZZDP9zV8lKiRVn-iQ@magma.ca>,
> Dan Gates <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:
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Wrong way Jeepers.

You want to reply and leave 'this' group out of the reply.

That way the lemmings will hopefully follow up and miss this group.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <auadnZZDP9zV8lKiRVn-iQ@magma.ca>,
> Dan Gates <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:
> .
>
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In article <qsGdnU1wvJHBylKiRVn-jg@magma.ca>,
Dan Gates <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:
>
>My experience (ageing parents, two fairly recent children and their
>maladies, friends surviving cancer) has been extremely positive. Waits
>tend to be for MRIs, synthetic hip and knee replacements and such, 15
>years ago, how long did you have to wait for such things? About 10
>years! We keep forgetting that these are pretty new, expensive
>technologies, some of which have not proven to be any more effective
>than the old, cheap technologies.

Err, hip and knee replacements are certainly expensive, but also
proven. Same with MRIs. Hip replacement has been around for about 40
years, knee replacement a bit less. MRI has been around since the
'70s. These are not particularly new technologies.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

 

In article <qsGdnU1wvJHBylKiRVn-jg@magma.ca>,
Dan Gates <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:
>
>My experience (ageing parents, two fairly recent children and their
>maladies, friends surviving cancer) has been extremely positive. Waits
>tend to be for MRIs, synthetic hip and knee replacements and such, 15
>years ago, how long did you have to wait for such things? About 10
>years! We keep forgetting that these are pretty new, expensive
>technologies, some of which have not proven to be any more effective
>than the old, cheap technologies.

Err, hip and knee replacements are certainly expensive, but also
proven. Same with MRIs. Hip replacement has been around for about 40
years, knee replacement a bit less. MRI has been around since the
'70s. These are not particularly new technologies.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

 

In article <qsGdnU1wvJHBylKiRVn-jg@magma.ca>,
Dan Gates <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote:
>
>My experience (ageing parents, two fairly recent children and their
>maladies, friends surviving cancer) has been extremely positive. Waits
>tend to be for MRIs, synthetic hip and knee replacements and such, 15
>years ago, how long did you have to wait for such things? About 10
>years! We keep forgetting that these are pretty new, expensive
>technologies, some of which have not proven to be any more effective
>than the old, cheap technologies.

Err, hip and knee replacements are certainly expensive, but also
proven. Same with MRIs. Hip replacement has been around for about 40
years, knee replacement a bit less. MRI has been around since the
'70s. These are not particularly new technologies.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

 

"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312031922420.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > Canada's healthcare system sucks.
>
> I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American living
> here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
> better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
> exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the Canadian
> system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs of
> most of the people at a reasonable cost.
>
> DS
>

That's great. My experience in a French system was that it did fine for
everyday stuff: bandages, pain killers, antibiotics. Even then it could be
a littel scary depending on the doctor you see. I was in an accident and
hurt my hand and wrist. No big deal, but I was rushed to the hospital in a
scary ambulance ride (for sprain wrist!) and then when I got there, they
took my vitals and then took care of my hand. All went well enough until
the doctor saw my pulse rate. She thought is was too slow, dangerously so,
and so perscribed some pills (in a plastic bag) to speed my heart up. When
I got home I promply threw them away. I think my heart rate was in the
50's, which is not too slow. I felt great. No different than I ever did.

A friend of mine had a more serious condition and even though he had the
money to see a private doctor, went to the clinic. He went home in a box
because they didn't misdiagnosed his condition.

The problem was, in my view, that the best doctors wouldn't come near the
socialized system, which paid poorly and rationed care. You cannot avoid
the trade-offs of a socialized system and a private competitive system. A
private system will leave some behind. A socialized system will give
everyone less quality and quantity overall. It's true with any "product".

 

"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312031922420.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > Canada's healthcare system sucks.
>
> I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American living
> here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
> better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
> exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the Canadian
> system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs of
> most of the people at a reasonable cost.
>
> DS
>

That's great. My experience in a French system was that it did fine for
everyday stuff: bandages, pain killers, antibiotics. Even then it could be
a littel scary depending on the doctor you see. I was in an accident and
hurt my hand and wrist. No big deal, but I was rushed to the hospital in a
scary ambulance ride (for sprain wrist!) and then when I got there, they
took my vitals and then took care of my hand. All went well enough until
the doctor saw my pulse rate. She thought is was too slow, dangerously so,
and so perscribed some pills (in a plastic bag) to speed my heart up. When
I got home I promply threw them away. I think my heart rate was in the
50's, which is not too slow. I felt great. No different than I ever did.

A friend of mine had a more serious condition and even though he had the
money to see a private doctor, went to the clinic. He went home in a box
because they didn't misdiagnosed his condition.

The problem was, in my view, that the best doctors wouldn't come near the
socialized system, which paid poorly and rationed care. You cannot avoid
the trade-offs of a socialized system and a private competitive system. A
private system will leave some behind. A socialized system will give
everyone less quality and quantity overall. It's true with any "product".