Brent P wrote:
> In article <3F99A319.703@computer.org>, Matthew S. Whiting wrote:
>
>
>>I agree. Saying we don't know for sure is accurate. Saying evolution
>>is based on fact and creation is not based on fact, is simply not
>>accurate. The only honest answer is that we don't know the complete
>>answer and likely never will. Lloyd, and others who claim to be
>>scientists, are incorrect at best, and disingenuous at worst, when they
>>claim that evolution is fact based.
>
>
> Evolution is based in facts, evidence. It's an explanation based upon
> the evidence, the facts. It still could be incorrect, but it is based
> in fact.

Sorry, but I believe that facts are things that are correct, not incorrect.


>>I believe creation is the best available explanation. They believe
>>evolution is the best available explanation. However, you can't say
>>either is based on fact or provides a complete explanation.
>
>
> What if the means of creation is evolution? Throws the monkey into
> the wrench now doesn't it :)
>
>

And what if the means of evolution was intelligent design through
creation? :-)

Matt

 

rnf2 wrote:
> "John Mielke" <mielkman@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:3f99929f.212852660@news.mi.comcast.giganews.c om...
>
>>On Fri, 24 Oct 03 16:07:26 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <bn94sb$u9r3o$1@ID-207166.news.uni-berlin.de>,
>>> "Joe" <me@privacy.net (jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"CO2 is produced by human activities"
>>>>and nothing else.
>>>
>>>Liar. Noone has ever said that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>So there was NO CO2 before humans evolved??
>>>
>>>There was around 280 ppm for hundreds of thousands of years, until the
>>
> mid
>
>>>19th century. Now there's 350 ppm, over a 25% increase.
>>
>>What test equipment did they use a hundred thousand years ago?
>>(i.e. How does anybody know what level it was that long ago?)
>>
>>
>
> Ice core in Antartica, peat cores in bogs, ice cores in Alaska.
>
> plenty of ways of finding out about the limate long before metrologists
> evolved.
>
> rhys
>
>

If we only knew for sure how old the ice and peat was...

Matt

 

rnf2 wrote:
> "John Mielke" <mielkman@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:3f99929f.212852660@news.mi.comcast.giganews.c om...
>
>>On Fri, 24 Oct 03 16:07:26 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <bn94sb$u9r3o$1@ID-207166.news.uni-berlin.de>,
>>> "Joe" <me@privacy.net (jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"CO2 is produced by human activities"
>>>>and nothing else.
>>>
>>>Liar. Noone has ever said that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>So there was NO CO2 before humans evolved??
>>>
>>>There was around 280 ppm for hundreds of thousands of years, until the
>>
> mid
>
>>>19th century. Now there's 350 ppm, over a 25% increase.
>>
>>What test equipment did they use a hundred thousand years ago?
>>(i.e. How does anybody know what level it was that long ago?)
>>
>>
>
> Ice core in Antartica, peat cores in bogs, ice cores in Alaska.
>
> plenty of ways of finding out about the limate long before metrologists
> evolved.
>
> rhys
>
>

If we only knew for sure how old the ice and peat was...

Matt

 

rnf2 wrote:
> "John Mielke" <mielkman@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:3f99929f.212852660@news.mi.comcast.giganews.c om...
>
>>On Fri, 24 Oct 03 16:07:26 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <bn94sb$u9r3o$1@ID-207166.news.uni-berlin.de>,
>>> "Joe" <me@privacy.net (jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"CO2 is produced by human activities"
>>>>and nothing else.
>>>
>>>Liar. Noone has ever said that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>So there was NO CO2 before humans evolved??
>>>
>>>There was around 280 ppm for hundreds of thousands of years, until the
>>
> mid
>
>>>19th century. Now there's 350 ppm, over a 25% increase.
>>
>>What test equipment did they use a hundred thousand years ago?
>>(i.e. How does anybody know what level it was that long ago?)
>>
>>
>
> Ice core in Antartica, peat cores in bogs, ice cores in Alaska.
>
> plenty of ways of finding out about the limate long before metrologists
> evolved.
>
> rhys
>
>

If we only knew for sure how old the ice and peat was...

Matt

 

"comfortable" is relative. The Subarus are built for "average" males (5'9"
give or take). Some people are unnaturally large and need a bigger vehicle
to feel comfortable.

"I believe you're wrong on that"
http://www.audiworld.com/news/01/all.../content.shtml
"Many have chosen to take a car chassis and build a more sport-ute inspired
design on top as seen with offerings such as the Lexus RX300 (Toyota Camry
platform), Subaru Forrester (Impreza platform),..."

http://www.epinions.com/content_47286488708
"Handling is very car-like as it's based on an Impreza chassis"

There are other sources for this...

"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
news:BLjmb.1017$RQ1.22@newsread3.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > The forester is SMALLER than the Legacy. The Forester is built on the
> > Imprezza frame...
> >
>
> I believe you're wrong on that as, afaik, the forester is the largest
> subaru. But even if you're correct, the legacy would need to be about
twice
> as large as a forester to come close to comfortable. -Dave
>
>

 

"comfortable" is relative. The Subarus are built for "average" males (5'9"
give or take). Some people are unnaturally large and need a bigger vehicle
to feel comfortable.

"I believe you're wrong on that"
http://www.audiworld.com/news/01/all.../content.shtml
"Many have chosen to take a car chassis and build a more sport-ute inspired
design on top as seen with offerings such as the Lexus RX300 (Toyota Camry
platform), Subaru Forrester (Impreza platform),..."

http://www.epinions.com/content_47286488708
"Handling is very car-like as it's based on an Impreza chassis"

There are other sources for this...

"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
news:BLjmb.1017$RQ1.22@newsread3.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > The forester is SMALLER than the Legacy. The Forester is built on the
> > Imprezza frame...
> >
>
> I believe you're wrong on that as, afaik, the forester is the largest
> subaru. But even if you're correct, the legacy would need to be about
twice
> as large as a forester to come close to comfortable. -Dave
>
>

 

"comfortable" is relative. The Subarus are built for "average" males (5'9"
give or take). Some people are unnaturally large and need a bigger vehicle
to feel comfortable.

"I believe you're wrong on that"
http://www.audiworld.com/news/01/all.../content.shtml
"Many have chosen to take a car chassis and build a more sport-ute inspired
design on top as seen with offerings such as the Lexus RX300 (Toyota Camry
platform), Subaru Forrester (Impreza platform),..."

http://www.epinions.com/content_47286488708
"Handling is very car-like as it's based on an Impreza chassis"

There are other sources for this...

"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
news:BLjmb.1017$RQ1.22@newsread3.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > The forester is SMALLER than the Legacy. The Forester is built on the
> > Imprezza frame...
> >
>
> I believe you're wrong on that as, afaik, the forester is the largest
> subaru. But even if you're correct, the legacy would need to be about
twice
> as large as a forester to come close to comfortable. -Dave
>
>

 

Approximately 10/24/03 18:40, Matthew S. Whiting uttered for posterity:
>
> And what if the means of evolution was intelligent design through
> creation? :-)

With a creature capable of posing this argument as a result, I'd
have to question the actual intelligence of this designer.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

 

Approximately 10/24/03 18:40, Matthew S. Whiting uttered for posterity:
>
> And what if the means of evolution was intelligent design through
> creation? :-)

With a creature capable of posing this argument as a result, I'd
have to question the actual intelligence of this designer.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

 

Approximately 10/24/03 18:40, Matthew S. Whiting uttered for posterity:
>
> And what if the means of evolution was intelligent design through
> creation? :-)

With a creature capable of posing this argument as a result, I'd
have to question the actual intelligence of this designer.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ***