Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
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> Gee - imagine that. Conservatives opposing the raising of taxes. How
> unusual! Have you ever heard of such a thing!? To quote Mel Brooks:
> "Wooof!".
>
Your the one that is bitching about allowing morons on the road
because their children will be punished if they can't drive. Yet your
now opposing one of the few mechanisms that we have to keep the
morons off the road, which is making vehicle ownership more
expensive? I guess you don't realize that most of the morons
in the country don't happen to be that wealthy. (save the morons
in the White House and Congress, of course)
Ted
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Bill Putney" <bputney@kinez.net> wrote in message
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>
> Gee - imagine that. Conservatives opposing the raising of taxes. How
> unusual! Have you ever heard of such a thing!? To quote Mel Brooks:
> "Wooof!".
>
Your the one that is bitching about allowing morons on the road
because their children will be punished if they can't drive. Yet your
now opposing one of the few mechanisms that we have to keep the
morons off the road, which is making vehicle ownership more
expensive? I guess you don't realize that most of the morons
in the country don't happen to be that wealthy. (save the morons
in the White House and Congress, of course)
Ted
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Like I said, the emissions are only soot. Amounts are falling. Proper
catalysts are on the way.
The other key toxins (oxides of nitrogen and sulfur) are gone.
DAS
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"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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> Heard it before. It's clever not to count the emissions diesels put
> out (particulates), but it doesn't fool most people.
> --
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catalysts are on the way.
The other key toxins (oxides of nitrogen and sulfur) are gone.
DAS
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"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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> Heard it before. It's clever not to count the emissions diesels put
> out (particulates), but it doesn't fool most people.
> --
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Like I said, the emissions are only soot. Amounts are falling. Proper
catalysts are on the way.
The other key toxins (oxides of nitrogen and sulfur) are gone.
DAS
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"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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[.............]>
> Heard it before. It's clever not to count the emissions diesels put
> out (particulates), but it doesn't fool most people.
> --
.............
catalysts are on the way.
The other key toxins (oxides of nitrogen and sulfur) are gone.
DAS
--
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NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
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"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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[.............]>
> Heard it before. It's clever not to count the emissions diesels put
> out (particulates), but it doesn't fool most people.
> --
.............
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Like I said, the emissions are only soot. Amounts are falling. Proper
catalysts are on the way.
The other key toxins (oxides of nitrogen and sulfur) are gone.
DAS
--
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NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
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"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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[.............]>
> Heard it before. It's clever not to count the emissions diesels put
> out (particulates), but it doesn't fool most people.
> --
.............
catalysts are on the way.
The other key toxins (oxides of nitrogen and sulfur) are gone.
DAS
--
---
NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
---
"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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[.............]>
> Heard it before. It's clever not to count the emissions diesels put
> out (particulates), but it doesn't fool most people.
> --
.............
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
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> > Back when station wagons were popular, there were no SUV's (at least not
> > like they are known today with interior A/C and DVD player, etc.) If
you
> > could mandate that all SUV production be replaced by station wagon
> > production, you might have something there. But given a choice between
> > a large station wagon and a SUV I think your smoking weed if you
seriously
> > believe that a large market segment would give their SUV's up to go to
> > station wagons.
>
> You don't have a family, do you. (not a question) -Dave
>
I do, and I find that a minivan is a lot more useful in hauling their little
butts around. (or rather, my wife does since she drives it)
And I grew up in a family that ran station wagons until we were in
high school and could drive ourselves. And on top of that I happen to
own one. (a station wagon). It's not a daily driver, it's purpose is
a backup car in case the van craps out and I have it up on jackstands
for a couple days. My daily driver (right now) is an econobox, due to
the amount of miles I accumulate a week.
So pardon but I think I have a pretty good idea of what would happen
if an attempt was made to convince SUV (and minivan) owners to
go to station wagons.
Ted
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
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> > Back when station wagons were popular, there were no SUV's (at least not
> > like they are known today with interior A/C and DVD player, etc.) If
you
> > could mandate that all SUV production be replaced by station wagon
> > production, you might have something there. But given a choice between
> > a large station wagon and a SUV I think your smoking weed if you
seriously
> > believe that a large market segment would give their SUV's up to go to
> > station wagons.
>
> You don't have a family, do you. (not a question) -Dave
>
I do, and I find that a minivan is a lot more useful in hauling their little
butts around. (or rather, my wife does since she drives it)
And I grew up in a family that ran station wagons until we were in
high school and could drive ourselves. And on top of that I happen to
own one. (a station wagon). It's not a daily driver, it's purpose is
a backup car in case the van craps out and I have it up on jackstands
for a couple days. My daily driver (right now) is an econobox, due to
the amount of miles I accumulate a week.
So pardon but I think I have a pretty good idea of what would happen
if an attempt was made to convince SUV (and minivan) owners to
go to station wagons.
Ted
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
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> > Back when station wagons were popular, there were no SUV's (at least not
> > like they are known today with interior A/C and DVD player, etc.) If
you
> > could mandate that all SUV production be replaced by station wagon
> > production, you might have something there. But given a choice between
> > a large station wagon and a SUV I think your smoking weed if you
seriously
> > believe that a large market segment would give their SUV's up to go to
> > station wagons.
>
> You don't have a family, do you. (not a question) -Dave
>
I do, and I find that a minivan is a lot more useful in hauling their little
butts around. (or rather, my wife does since she drives it)
And I grew up in a family that ran station wagons until we were in
high school and could drive ourselves. And on top of that I happen to
own one. (a station wagon). It's not a daily driver, it's purpose is
a backup car in case the van craps out and I have it up on jackstands
for a couple days. My daily driver (right now) is an econobox, due to
the amount of miles I accumulate a week.
So pardon but I think I have a pretty good idea of what would happen
if an attempt was made to convince SUV (and minivan) owners to
go to station wagons.
Ted
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Aardwolf" <se1aard1@itis.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> I disagree--to an extent. As I've said before, people will buy what
they're
> told they want. If there were a lot of Magnum-type wagons and sedans that
> actually had some real style and to them--AND available AWD, and more to
the
> point if there was actually advertising to explain to people how kick-***
they
> thought they were, I'll bet there would be a large shift away from
suddently
> stodgy, ill handling trucks. Sure a number of people would still buy
trucks
> to haul stuff around, and some might still want some for image--they
always
> have, even pre-Dukes of Hazzard, but Navigators and Envoys and Escalades?
> They'd be gone.
>
You cannot substitute "styling" for interior leg and head room. You have to
go
back to the early 70's like a 73 T-Bird or a Old 98 before you can find a
sedan that could actually fit 4 adults comfortably. Sure, if automakers
started
producing such vehicles again, you might knock off a few SUVs that were
bought to haul adults around, but the people that bought SUV's for real
hauling aren't going to go to a wagon, and the people that bought them to
haul
families aren't going to go to a wagon either (although they would have
been
a lot smarter to have bought either a minivan or a full size van, IMHO)
and the posers that bought them to pretend they are offroaders in the
city aren't going to go to a sedan either.
Where station wagons shine is if you have ONE driver that regularly
has a need of hauling small to mid size delivery. For example the
admin that needs to drive a computer across town, the wife that
likes going to the rummage sales on the weekend, the janitor
who has to haul cleaning supplies to a building, the construction
foreman who goes to a couple job sites, and a smattering
of service guys who don't need to carry ladders or large tools.
Ted
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Aardwolf" <se1aard1@itis.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> I disagree--to an extent. As I've said before, people will buy what
they're
> told they want. If there were a lot of Magnum-type wagons and sedans that
> actually had some real style and to them--AND available AWD, and more to
the
> point if there was actually advertising to explain to people how kick-***
they
> thought they were, I'll bet there would be a large shift away from
suddently
> stodgy, ill handling trucks. Sure a number of people would still buy
trucks
> to haul stuff around, and some might still want some for image--they
always
> have, even pre-Dukes of Hazzard, but Navigators and Envoys and Escalades?
> They'd be gone.
>
You cannot substitute "styling" for interior leg and head room. You have to
go
back to the early 70's like a 73 T-Bird or a Old 98 before you can find a
sedan that could actually fit 4 adults comfortably. Sure, if automakers
started
producing such vehicles again, you might knock off a few SUVs that were
bought to haul adults around, but the people that bought SUV's for real
hauling aren't going to go to a wagon, and the people that bought them to
haul
families aren't going to go to a wagon either (although they would have
been
a lot smarter to have bought either a minivan or a full size van, IMHO)
and the posers that bought them to pretend they are offroaders in the
city aren't going to go to a sedan either.
Where station wagons shine is if you have ONE driver that regularly
has a need of hauling small to mid size delivery. For example the
admin that needs to drive a computer across town, the wife that
likes going to the rummage sales on the weekend, the janitor
who has to haul cleaning supplies to a building, the construction
foreman who goes to a couple job sites, and a smattering
of service guys who don't need to carry ladders or large tools.
Ted