Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <MPG.19fbd425bcc7fbbb989e1c@news.eastlink.ca>,
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
> >spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com says...
> >> >
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Wellt here's one that gets below 10mpg that I can think of it that one
> >just bearly sells at all.
> Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, Hummer, Escalade, Escalade EXT, Escalade ESL,
Hummer
> H1, Hummer H2, Expedition, Excursion, Durango, Range Rover.
>
> Try looking at the real mpg reported in road tests.
To borrow a phrase from you Lloyd, your lying.
And it isn't even a convincing lie.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <MPG.19fbd425bcc7fbbb989e1c@news.eastlink.ca>,
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
> >spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com says...
> >> >
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Wellt here's one that gets below 10mpg that I can think of it that one
> >just bearly sells at all.
> Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, Hummer, Escalade, Escalade EXT, Escalade ESL,
Hummer
> H1, Hummer H2, Expedition, Excursion, Durango, Range Rover.
>
> Try looking at the real mpg reported in road tests.
To borrow a phrase from you Lloyd, your lying.
And it isn't even a convincing lie.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > They are *EPA estimates* for those mileages.
> > Check with just about any magazine that does tests on such vehicles,
> > and you will find very few that actually match the EPA estimates.
> > Personally, I usually get from 10% to 20% better mileage than the EPA
> > estimates, depending on what I'm carrying, and type of road travelled.
> >
>
>
> That's odd. Every truck or SUV I've ever driven gets about 20% less than
> the EPA estimates, lightly loaded in mostly highway driving. In contrast,
> I've never driven a car that got less than the EPA estimates, most cars
beat
> the estimate by at least 10%. -Dave
>
The same vehicle will get different milages with different drivers, just as
two identical vehicles can get different milages with the same driver. Many
variables come into play. I get 17.6 on the interstate, 12.5 around town in
a 3/4 ton 4x4, which I consider good for the type of vehicle it is.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > They are *EPA estimates* for those mileages.
> > Check with just about any magazine that does tests on such vehicles,
> > and you will find very few that actually match the EPA estimates.
> > Personally, I usually get from 10% to 20% better mileage than the EPA
> > estimates, depending on what I'm carrying, and type of road travelled.
> >
>
>
> That's odd. Every truck or SUV I've ever driven gets about 20% less than
> the EPA estimates, lightly loaded in mostly highway driving. In contrast,
> I've never driven a car that got less than the EPA estimates, most cars
beat
> the estimate by at least 10%. -Dave
>
The same vehicle will get different milages with different drivers, just as
two identical vehicles can get different milages with the same driver. Many
variables come into play. I get 17.6 on the interstate, 12.5 around town in
a 3/4 ton 4x4, which I consider good for the type of vehicle it is.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > They are *EPA estimates* for those mileages.
> > Check with just about any magazine that does tests on such vehicles,
> > and you will find very few that actually match the EPA estimates.
> > Personally, I usually get from 10% to 20% better mileage than the EPA
> > estimates, depending on what I'm carrying, and type of road travelled.
> >
>
>
> That's odd. Every truck or SUV I've ever driven gets about 20% less than
> the EPA estimates, lightly loaded in mostly highway driving. In contrast,
> I've never driven a car that got less than the EPA estimates, most cars
beat
> the estimate by at least 10%. -Dave
>
The same vehicle will get different milages with different drivers, just as
two identical vehicles can get different milages with the same driver. Many
variables come into play. I get 17.6 on the interstate, 12.5 around town in
a 3/4 ton 4x4, which I consider good for the type of vehicle it is.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <bmuf8j02h0d@enews4.newsguy.com>,
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
> >SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >
> >My '01 V8 Grand Cherokee get's 23+. They sell pretty well, don't you
think?
> >
> >
> Then my Mercedes gets 120 mpg.
Another lie. It really is impossible for you to tell the truth isn't it LP?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <bmuf8j02h0d@enews4.newsguy.com>,
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
> >SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >
> >My '01 V8 Grand Cherokee get's 23+. They sell pretty well, don't you
think?
> >
> >
> Then my Mercedes gets 120 mpg.
Another lie. It really is impossible for you to tell the truth isn't it LP?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <bmuf8j02h0d@enews4.newsguy.com>,
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
> >SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >
> >My '01 V8 Grand Cherokee get's 23+. They sell pretty well, don't you
think?
> >
> >
> Then my Mercedes gets 120 mpg.
Another lie. It really is impossible for you to tell the truth isn't it LP?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <o1d8pv8jv6rfrdhdlkpno562ibok77emfa@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:34:32 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> > wrote:
> >
> >>In article <bmuf8j02h0d@enews4.newsguy.com>,
> >> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
> >>>> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs
that
> >>>SELL
> >>>> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
don't
> >>>> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>>
> >>>My '01 V8 Grand Cherokee get's 23+. They sell pretty well, don't you
think?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Then my Mercedes gets 120 mpg.
> >
> > Ah, yes.
> > The standard Liberal resposte: "That can't be so, becasue it doesn't
> > adhere to my ideas."
>
> Don't you find it odd that Dr. Parker drives a MB, yet favors CAFE?
> What is MB's CAFE rating these days anyway?
I find everything about Lloyd odd. I'd killfile him if I didn't like
watching him squirm so much.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <o1d8pv8jv6rfrdhdlkpno562ibok77emfa@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:34:32 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> > wrote:
> >
> >>In article <bmuf8j02h0d@enews4.newsguy.com>,
> >> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
> >>>> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs
that
> >>>SELL
> >>>> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
don't
> >>>> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>>
> >>>My '01 V8 Grand Cherokee get's 23+. They sell pretty well, don't you
think?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Then my Mercedes gets 120 mpg.
> >
> > Ah, yes.
> > The standard Liberal resposte: "That can't be so, becasue it doesn't
> > adhere to my ideas."
>
> Don't you find it odd that Dr. Parker drives a MB, yet favors CAFE?
> What is MB's CAFE rating these days anyway?
I find everything about Lloyd odd. I'd killfile him if I didn't like
watching him squirm so much.
