Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:18:01 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>In article <1Vlkb.814725$Ho3.223551@sccrnsc03>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bms79l$6me$19@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
>>
>>No. We get them because their manufacturers (at least BMW) choose to ignore
>>CAFE and pass the tax on to the buyers.
>>
>
>No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we were
>in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
It isn't odd at all that you completely ignore market pressures, and
instead think that the Government is the instigator of all innovation.
People like you tend to think that way.
You're wrong, though.
wrote:
>In article <1Vlkb.814725$Ho3.223551@sccrnsc03>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bms79l$6me$19@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
>>
>>No. We get them because their manufacturers (at least BMW) choose to ignore
>>CAFE and pass the tax on to the buyers.
>>
>
>No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we were
>in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
It isn't odd at all that you completely ignore market pressures, and
instead think that the Government is the instigator of all innovation.
People like you tend to think that way.
You're wrong, though.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:18:01 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>In article <1Vlkb.814725$Ho3.223551@sccrnsc03>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bms79l$6me$19@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
>>
>>No. We get them because their manufacturers (at least BMW) choose to ignore
>>CAFE and pass the tax on to the buyers.
>>
>
>No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we were
>in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
It isn't odd at all that you completely ignore market pressures, and
instead think that the Government is the instigator of all innovation.
People like you tend to think that way.
You're wrong, though.
wrote:
>In article <1Vlkb.814725$Ho3.223551@sccrnsc03>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bms79l$6me$19@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
>>
>>No. We get them because their manufacturers (at least BMW) choose to ignore
>>CAFE and pass the tax on to the buyers.
>>
>
>No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we were
>in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
It isn't odd at all that you completely ignore market pressures, and
instead think that the Government is the instigator of all innovation.
People like you tend to think that way.
You're wrong, though.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>not play.
>
>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as cars
>are used.
And what would the buyers have done then?
Gone to >8000lb trucks?
You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
Why should you get to do that?
Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
people should live there.
wrote:
>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>not play.
>
>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as cars
>are used.
And what would the buyers have done then?
Gone to >8000lb trucks?
You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
Why should you get to do that?
Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
people should live there.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>not play.
>
>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as cars
>are used.
And what would the buyers have done then?
Gone to >8000lb trucks?
You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
Why should you get to do that?
Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
people should live there.
wrote:
>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>not play.
>
>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as cars
>are used.
And what would the buyers have done then?
Gone to >8000lb trucks?
You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
Why should you get to do that?
Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
people should live there.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>not play.
>
>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as cars
>are used.
And what would the buyers have done then?
Gone to >8000lb trucks?
You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
Why should you get to do that?
Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
people should live there.
wrote:
>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>not play.
>
>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as cars
>are used.
And what would the buyers have done then?
Gone to >8000lb trucks?
You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
Why should you get to do that?
Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
people should live there.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:07:16 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>>
>>And yet, all light truck makers have redesigned their frames in the
>>last few years.
>>There must be more incentive than you see.
>>
>>
>And what do they advertise? How "stiff" the frame is.
Uh, that's 'torsional' stiffness, Lloyd.
Keep up.
wrote:
>>
>>And yet, all light truck makers have redesigned their frames in the
>>last few years.
>>There must be more incentive than you see.
>>
>>
>And what do they advertise? How "stiff" the frame is.
Uh, that's 'torsional' stiffness, Lloyd.
Keep up.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:07:16 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>>
>>And yet, all light truck makers have redesigned their frames in the
>>last few years.
>>There must be more incentive than you see.
>>
>>
>And what do they advertise? How "stiff" the frame is.
Uh, that's 'torsional' stiffness, Lloyd.
Keep up.
wrote:
>>
>>And yet, all light truck makers have redesigned their frames in the
>>last few years.
>>There must be more incentive than you see.
>>
>>
>And what do they advertise? How "stiff" the frame is.
Uh, that's 'torsional' stiffness, Lloyd.
Keep up.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:07:16 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>>
>>And yet, all light truck makers have redesigned their frames in the
>>last few years.
>>There must be more incentive than you see.
>>
>>
>And what do they advertise? How "stiff" the frame is.
Uh, that's 'torsional' stiffness, Lloyd.
Keep up.
wrote:
>>
>>And yet, all light truck makers have redesigned their frames in the
>>last few years.
>>There must be more incentive than you see.
>>
>>
>And what do they advertise? How "stiff" the frame is.
Uh, that's 'torsional' stiffness, Lloyd.
Keep up.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US cause
petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
rhys
"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >>
> >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> >> >
> >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all the
other
> >> 60s crap.
> >>
> >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> >>
> >
> >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
>
> There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
>
>
> --
> Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
of
> a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
rhys
"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >>
> >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> >> >
> >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all the
other
> >> 60s crap.
> >>
> >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> >>
> >
> >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
>
> There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
>
>
> --
> Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
of
> a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US cause
petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
rhys
"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >>
> >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> >> >
> >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all the
other
> >> 60s crap.
> >>
> >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> >>
> >
> >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
>
> There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
>
>
> --
> Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
of
> a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
rhys
"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >>
> >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> >> >
> >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all the
other
> >> 60s crap.
> >>
> >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> >>
> >
> >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
>
> There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
>
>
> --
> Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
of
> a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.