How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
In article <60dv91thqvkkl7d1q05tp8kmul8a9bejaa@4ax.com>,
John Davies <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I just don't buy that line. Maybe it's true compared to older
> cars without side airbags and modern crumple zone engineering.
>
> There is no way an open vehicle with old technology can match a modern
> car with unibody and side airbags for opccupant protection.
>
> I'm not saying the car would survive the hit better, but that the
> injuries of the folks inside will be significantly less. If I had
> triplets I would buy the safest car I could afford.
>
John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
B
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Brian Heller
It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.
John Davies <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I just don't buy that line. Maybe it's true compared to older
> cars without side airbags and modern crumple zone engineering.
>
> There is no way an open vehicle with old technology can match a modern
> car with unibody and side airbags for opccupant protection.
>
> I'm not saying the car would survive the hit better, but that the
> injuries of the folks inside will be significantly less. If I had
> triplets I would buy the safest car I could afford.
>
John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
B
--
Brian Heller
It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
I get my insurance through the Credit Union. $651 per year for 300K
coverage.
"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
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> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Switch insurance companies:
>
> Brilliant! I never thought of that. <G>
>
> Actually, I've shopped all the discounters, like Geico and Progressive and
> they are the same, or higher, once my home owner's discount is factored
> in. The '99 TJ Sport costs more for me to insure than a fully loaded '05
> 4x4 Taco.
>
> Maybe it's a regional statistic thing?
>
> This weekend, I'll pull out the declarations sheet and provide more
> details.
>
> Barry
coverage.
"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
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> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Switch insurance companies:
>
> Brilliant! I never thought of that. <G>
>
> Actually, I've shopped all the discounters, like Geico and Progressive and
> they are the same, or higher, once my home owner's discount is factored
> in. The '99 TJ Sport costs more for me to insure than a fully loaded '05
> 4x4 Taco.
>
> Maybe it's a regional statistic thing?
>
> This weekend, I'll pull out the declarations sheet and provide more
> details.
>
> Barry
#183
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
I get my insurance through the Credit Union. $651 per year for 300K
coverage.
"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
news:aYWne.15752$iA6.5466@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Switch insurance companies:
>
> Brilliant! I never thought of that. <G>
>
> Actually, I've shopped all the discounters, like Geico and Progressive and
> they are the same, or higher, once my home owner's discount is factored
> in. The '99 TJ Sport costs more for me to insure than a fully loaded '05
> 4x4 Taco.
>
> Maybe it's a regional statistic thing?
>
> This weekend, I'll pull out the declarations sheet and provide more
> details.
>
> Barry
coverage.
"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
news:aYWne.15752$iA6.5466@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Switch insurance companies:
>
> Brilliant! I never thought of that. <G>
>
> Actually, I've shopped all the discounters, like Geico and Progressive and
> they are the same, or higher, once my home owner's discount is factored
> in. The '99 TJ Sport costs more for me to insure than a fully loaded '05
> 4x4 Taco.
>
> Maybe it's a regional statistic thing?
>
> This weekend, I'll pull out the declarations sheet and provide more
> details.
>
> Barry
#184
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
I get my insurance through the Credit Union. $651 per year for 300K
coverage.
"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
news:aYWne.15752$iA6.5466@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Switch insurance companies:
>
> Brilliant! I never thought of that. <G>
>
> Actually, I've shopped all the discounters, like Geico and Progressive and
> they are the same, or higher, once my home owner's discount is factored
> in. The '99 TJ Sport costs more for me to insure than a fully loaded '05
> 4x4 Taco.
>
> Maybe it's a regional statistic thing?
>
> This weekend, I'll pull out the declarations sheet and provide more
> details.
>
> Barry
coverage.
"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
news:aYWne.15752$iA6.5466@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Switch insurance companies:
>
> Brilliant! I never thought of that. <G>
>
> Actually, I've shopped all the discounters, like Geico and Progressive and
> they are the same, or higher, once my home owner's discount is factored
> in. The '99 TJ Sport costs more for me to insure than a fully loaded '05
> 4x4 Taco.
>
> Maybe it's a regional statistic thing?
>
> This weekend, I'll pull out the declarations sheet and provide more
> details.
>
> Barry
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
I get my insurance through the Credit Union. $651 per year for 300K
coverage.
"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
news:aYWne.15752$iA6.5466@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Switch insurance companies:
>
> Brilliant! I never thought of that. <G>
>
> Actually, I've shopped all the discounters, like Geico and Progressive and
> they are the same, or higher, once my home owner's discount is factored
> in. The '99 TJ Sport costs more for me to insure than a fully loaded '05
> 4x4 Taco.
>
> Maybe it's a regional statistic thing?
>
> This weekend, I'll pull out the declarations sheet and provide more
> details.
>
> Barry
coverage.
"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
news:aYWne.15752$iA6.5466@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> Switch insurance companies:
>
> Brilliant! I never thought of that. <G>
>
> Actually, I've shopped all the discounters, like Geico and Progressive and
> they are the same, or higher, once my home owner's discount is factored
> in. The '99 TJ Sport costs more for me to insure than a fully loaded '05
> 4x4 Taco.
>
> Maybe it's a regional statistic thing?
>
> This weekend, I'll pull out the declarations sheet and provide more
> details.
>
> Barry
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:10:29 GMT, Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
mass.
Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
This thread isn't about which vehicle survives a crash with less
damage - it's about protecting newborn triplets.
Have you ever looked at pics of old wrecked cars? They had thick steel
bodies, no crumple zones and no seat belts. Usually the front end was
tweaked a little and the left side of the windshield is gone from the
driver being thrown forward and killed. The cars were cheap to fix for
the widows - they just had to hose out the blood and replace the glass
;(
John Davies
wrote:
>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
mass.
Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
This thread isn't about which vehicle survives a crash with less
damage - it's about protecting newborn triplets.
Have you ever looked at pics of old wrecked cars? They had thick steel
bodies, no crumple zones and no seat belts. Usually the front end was
tweaked a little and the left side of the windshield is gone from the
driver being thrown forward and killed. The cars were cheap to fix for
the widows - they just had to hose out the blood and replace the glass
;(
John Davies
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:10:29 GMT, Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
mass.
Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
This thread isn't about which vehicle survives a crash with less
damage - it's about protecting newborn triplets.
Have you ever looked at pics of old wrecked cars? They had thick steel
bodies, no crumple zones and no seat belts. Usually the front end was
tweaked a little and the left side of the windshield is gone from the
driver being thrown forward and killed. The cars were cheap to fix for
the widows - they just had to hose out the blood and replace the glass
;(
John Davies
wrote:
>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
mass.
Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
This thread isn't about which vehicle survives a crash with less
damage - it's about protecting newborn triplets.
Have you ever looked at pics of old wrecked cars? They had thick steel
bodies, no crumple zones and no seat belts. Usually the front end was
tweaked a little and the left side of the windshield is gone from the
driver being thrown forward and killed. The cars were cheap to fix for
the widows - they just had to hose out the blood and replace the glass
;(
John Davies
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:10:29 GMT, Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
mass.
Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
This thread isn't about which vehicle survives a crash with less
damage - it's about protecting newborn triplets.
Have you ever looked at pics of old wrecked cars? They had thick steel
bodies, no crumple zones and no seat belts. Usually the front end was
tweaked a little and the left side of the windshield is gone from the
driver being thrown forward and killed. The cars were cheap to fix for
the widows - they just had to hose out the blood and replace the glass
;(
John Davies
wrote:
>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
mass.
Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
This thread isn't about which vehicle survives a crash with less
damage - it's about protecting newborn triplets.
Have you ever looked at pics of old wrecked cars? They had thick steel
bodies, no crumple zones and no seat belts. Usually the front end was
tweaked a little and the left side of the windshield is gone from the
driver being thrown forward and killed. The cars were cheap to fix for
the widows - they just had to hose out the blood and replace the glass
;(
John Davies
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:10:29 GMT, Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
mass.
Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
This thread isn't about which vehicle survives a crash with less
damage - it's about protecting newborn triplets.
Have you ever looked at pics of old wrecked cars? They had thick steel
bodies, no crumple zones and no seat belts. Usually the front end was
tweaked a little and the left side of the windshield is gone from the
driver being thrown forward and killed. The cars were cheap to fix for
the widows - they just had to hose out the blood and replace the glass
;(
John Davies
wrote:
>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
mass.
Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
This thread isn't about which vehicle survives a crash with less
damage - it's about protecting newborn triplets.
Have you ever looked at pics of old wrecked cars? They had thick steel
bodies, no crumple zones and no seat belts. Usually the front end was
tweaked a little and the left side of the windshield is gone from the
driver being thrown forward and killed. The cars were cheap to fix for
the widows - they just had to hose out the blood and replace the glass
;(
John Davies
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Re: How to get three carseats in a Wrangler
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:10:29 GMT, Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
>
> Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
> typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
> pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
> mass.
>
> Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
> steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
> extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
> drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
> will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
I had to chuckle when I read this - last summer my TJ was hit by a Ford
F150, squarely on the driver's side front wheel. Fortunately it was a
relatively low-speed crash (we both saw it coming and stood on the brakes),
but it ended up doing $800 worth of damage to his front bumper, mount, etc.
As for the Jeep... well, it needed an alignment, but it needed one before
that, so... ;)
I was lucky. I am *extremely* well aware of that. But I still find it
amusing. (BTW, since I was at fault for the accident, I gave him a check to
get his truck repaired. =) )
Tirya
--
TDC Inca Jeeper
A girl and her Jeep... it's a beautiful thing...
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> On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:10:29 GMT, Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which
>>says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with
>>their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger
>>vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.
>
> Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The
> typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans
> pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in
> mass.
>
> Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a
> steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of
> extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I
> drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it
> will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..
I had to chuckle when I read this - last summer my TJ was hit by a Ford
F150, squarely on the driver's side front wheel. Fortunately it was a
relatively low-speed crash (we both saw it coming and stood on the brakes),
but it ended up doing $800 worth of damage to his front bumper, mount, etc.
As for the Jeep... well, it needed an alignment, but it needed one before
that, so... ;)
I was lucky. I am *extremely* well aware of that. But I still find it
amusing. (BTW, since I was at fault for the accident, I gave him a check to
get his truck repaired. =) )
Tirya
--
TDC Inca Jeeper
A girl and her Jeep... it's a beautiful thing...