Eric

OK -- the tube doesn't twist past the limits of the socket joints. Haven't
had a chance to jack it up and check for that movement yet. Things have
been rather nuts. I'll get to it this weekend for sure.

Eric
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42528B08.5F9C1BEA@sympatico.ca...
> The tie rod and drag links will twist to the movement limits of the ball
> and socket joints. If the tube twists more, it needs to be tightened.
>
> You need to watch out for up and down movement more than the twist.
>
> Mike
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> Nope.. caster/camber (can't remember which) is good. I'll jack it up and
>> check to see if I can get movement.
>>
>> Are the tierod and drag link supposed to twist? I can grab it and twist
>> it
>> (imagine a motorcycle throttle) quite a bit.
>>
>> Eric
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42513900.A7684DCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ok, so if you stand up front and look at the front wheels, do either
>> > one
>> > of them tilt in or out at the top or bottom?
>> >
>> > If so, you could have a dead ball joint. You will need to jack the
>> > weight off the wheel and pry with a bar to see if you can get any
>> > movement in it.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Eric wrote:
>> >>
>> >> BTW -- just found a pic of the ujoints. Can't imagine those are
>> >> making
>> >> the
>> >> noise...
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:4250A700.D9794112@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Well besides the pump itself there are u-joints at the ends of the
>> >> > front
>> >> > axles right behind the wheel. To make a noise when not spinning
>> >> > they
>> >> > would have to be seriously seized. You can cut the wheels to the
>> >> > side
>> >> > and inspect them. If they are flopping or show tons of rust...
>> >> > Well I
>> >> > guess you could just get down there and listen while someone else
>> >> > turns
>> >> > the wheel...
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> > Eric wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You can make a grinding noise with the engine off and stopped and
>> >> >> > rocking the steering wheel?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> YES!! That's the problem!! More obvious when the motor is
>> >> >> running,
>> >> >> as I
>> >> >> can turn the wheel further (33x12.50 MTs don't turn to easily
>> >> >> without
>> >> >> power
>> >> >> assist!)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eric
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:424FF944.6CDFC0E7@sympatico.ca...
>> >> >> > On the matter of the drag link, it does not come apart. You have
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > buy
>> >> >> > the whole $120.00 or so part.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > They don't 'grind' when bad, the steering wheel just flops loose
>> >> >> > side
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > side.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You can make a grinding noise with the engine off and stopped and
>> >> >> > rocking the steering wheel?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Have you check the power steering fluid?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike
>> >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Eric wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> My TJ's been making a lot of noises when steering lately. To
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> point I
>> >> >> >> could hold my cell phone out the window and the person on the
>> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> end
>> >> >> >> could hear the grinding.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After much checking, it seemed that the tie rod end at the drag
>> >> >> >> link
>> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> culprit. To be honest, I can't seem to finger it, but a buddy
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> mine
>> >> >> >> crawled under there and swore that was the one. If it were left
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> me,
>> >> >> >> I'd
>> >> >> >> probably have to replace all of the ones on the passenger side.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyhow, getting it out of the drag link just took a minute.
>> >> >> >> Piece
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> cake.
>> >> >> >> Loosened the retainer. Again, easy stuff. The problem is
>> >> >> >> getting
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> out
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the tie rod. I've got a pretty long pipe-wrench on the tie rod
>> >> >> >> end
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> can't get it to come loose. Seems like the end is stuck in the
>> >> >> >> tie
>> >> >> >> rod.
>> >> >> >> After playing around with the end itself, I just can't see how
>> >> >> >> that's
>> >> >> >> making
>> >> >> >> the noise, though. I put it back (since I can't get it out!)
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> wonder
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> the noise isn't another ball joint. I think it could be the
>> >> >> >> joint
>> >> >> >> at
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> top of the knuckle (the part the caliper attaches to). I know
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> shoot
>> >> >> >> grease into that zerk it comes right out of the dust boot.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Any thoughts? How do you get a tie rod end out when it's stuck
>> >> >> >> like
>> >> >> >> that?
>> >> >> >> Honestly, this could be a lack-of-muscle issue, but I had good
>> >> >> >> leverage.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Eric
>> >> >> >> 99 TJ SE

Eric

OK -- the tube doesn't twist past the limits of the socket joints. Haven't
had a chance to jack it up and check for that movement yet. Things have
been rather nuts. I'll get to it this weekend for sure.

Eric
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42528B08.5F9C1BEA@sympatico.ca...
> The tie rod and drag links will twist to the movement limits of the ball
> and socket joints. If the tube twists more, it needs to be tightened.
>
> You need to watch out for up and down movement more than the twist.
>
> Mike
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> Nope.. caster/camber (can't remember which) is good. I'll jack it up and
>> check to see if I can get movement.
>>
>> Are the tierod and drag link supposed to twist? I can grab it and twist
>> it
>> (imagine a motorcycle throttle) quite a bit.
>>
>> Eric
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42513900.A7684DCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ok, so if you stand up front and look at the front wheels, do either
>> > one
>> > of them tilt in or out at the top or bottom?
>> >
>> > If so, you could have a dead ball joint. You will need to jack the
>> > weight off the wheel and pry with a bar to see if you can get any
>> > movement in it.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Eric wrote:
>> >>
>> >> BTW -- just found a pic of the ujoints. Can't imagine those are
>> >> making
>> >> the
>> >> noise...
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:4250A700.D9794112@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Well besides the pump itself there are u-joints at the ends of the
>> >> > front
>> >> > axles right behind the wheel. To make a noise when not spinning
>> >> > they
>> >> > would have to be seriously seized. You can cut the wheels to the
>> >> > side
>> >> > and inspect them. If they are flopping or show tons of rust...
>> >> > Well I
>> >> > guess you could just get down there and listen while someone else
>> >> > turns
>> >> > the wheel...
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> > Eric wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You can make a grinding noise with the engine off and stopped and
>> >> >> > rocking the steering wheel?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> YES!! That's the problem!! More obvious when the motor is
>> >> >> running,
>> >> >> as I
>> >> >> can turn the wheel further (33x12.50 MTs don't turn to easily
>> >> >> without
>> >> >> power
>> >> >> assist!)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eric
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:424FF944.6CDFC0E7@sympatico.ca...
>> >> >> > On the matter of the drag link, it does not come apart. You have
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > buy
>> >> >> > the whole $120.00 or so part.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > They don't 'grind' when bad, the steering wheel just flops loose
>> >> >> > side
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > side.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You can make a grinding noise with the engine off and stopped and
>> >> >> > rocking the steering wheel?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Have you check the power steering fluid?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike
>> >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Eric wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> My TJ's been making a lot of noises when steering lately. To
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> point I
>> >> >> >> could hold my cell phone out the window and the person on the
>> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> end
>> >> >> >> could hear the grinding.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After much checking, it seemed that the tie rod end at the drag
>> >> >> >> link
>> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> culprit. To be honest, I can't seem to finger it, but a buddy
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> mine
>> >> >> >> crawled under there and swore that was the one. If it were left
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> me,
>> >> >> >> I'd
>> >> >> >> probably have to replace all of the ones on the passenger side.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyhow, getting it out of the drag link just took a minute.
>> >> >> >> Piece
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> cake.
>> >> >> >> Loosened the retainer. Again, easy stuff. The problem is
>> >> >> >> getting
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> out
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the tie rod. I've got a pretty long pipe-wrench on the tie rod
>> >> >> >> end
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> can't get it to come loose. Seems like the end is stuck in the
>> >> >> >> tie
>> >> >> >> rod.
>> >> >> >> After playing around with the end itself, I just can't see how
>> >> >> >> that's
>> >> >> >> making
>> >> >> >> the noise, though. I put it back (since I can't get it out!)
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> wonder
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> the noise isn't another ball joint. I think it could be the
>> >> >> >> joint
>> >> >> >> at
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> top of the knuckle (the part the caliper attaches to). I know
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> shoot
>> >> >> >> grease into that zerk it comes right out of the dust boot.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Any thoughts? How do you get a tie rod end out when it's stuck
>> >> >> >> like
>> >> >> >> that?
>> >> >> >> Honestly, this could be a lack-of-muscle issue, but I had good
>> >> >> >> leverage.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Eric
>> >> >> >> 99 TJ SE

Eric

OK -- the tube doesn't twist past the limits of the socket joints. Haven't
had a chance to jack it up and check for that movement yet. Things have
been rather nuts. I'll get to it this weekend for sure.

Eric
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42528B08.5F9C1BEA@sympatico.ca...
> The tie rod and drag links will twist to the movement limits of the ball
> and socket joints. If the tube twists more, it needs to be tightened.
>
> You need to watch out for up and down movement more than the twist.
>
> Mike
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> Nope.. caster/camber (can't remember which) is good. I'll jack it up and
>> check to see if I can get movement.
>>
>> Are the tierod and drag link supposed to twist? I can grab it and twist
>> it
>> (imagine a motorcycle throttle) quite a bit.
>>
>> Eric
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42513900.A7684DCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ok, so if you stand up front and look at the front wheels, do either
>> > one
>> > of them tilt in or out at the top or bottom?
>> >
>> > If so, you could have a dead ball joint. You will need to jack the
>> > weight off the wheel and pry with a bar to see if you can get any
>> > movement in it.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Eric wrote:
>> >>
>> >> BTW -- just found a pic of the ujoints. Can't imagine those are
>> >> making
>> >> the
>> >> noise...
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:4250A700.D9794112@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Well besides the pump itself there are u-joints at the ends of the
>> >> > front
>> >> > axles right behind the wheel. To make a noise when not spinning
>> >> > they
>> >> > would have to be seriously seized. You can cut the wheels to the
>> >> > side
>> >> > and inspect them. If they are flopping or show tons of rust...
>> >> > Well I
>> >> > guess you could just get down there and listen while someone else
>> >> > turns
>> >> > the wheel...
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> > Eric wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You can make a grinding noise with the engine off and stopped and
>> >> >> > rocking the steering wheel?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> YES!! That's the problem!! More obvious when the motor is
>> >> >> running,
>> >> >> as I
>> >> >> can turn the wheel further (33x12.50 MTs don't turn to easily
>> >> >> without
>> >> >> power
>> >> >> assist!)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eric
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:424FF944.6CDFC0E7@sympatico.ca...
>> >> >> > On the matter of the drag link, it does not come apart. You have
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > buy
>> >> >> > the whole $120.00 or so part.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > They don't 'grind' when bad, the steering wheel just flops loose
>> >> >> > side
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > side.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You can make a grinding noise with the engine off and stopped and
>> >> >> > rocking the steering wheel?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Have you check the power steering fluid?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike
>> >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Eric wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> My TJ's been making a lot of noises when steering lately. To
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> point I
>> >> >> >> could hold my cell phone out the window and the person on the
>> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> end
>> >> >> >> could hear the grinding.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After much checking, it seemed that the tie rod end at the drag
>> >> >> >> link
>> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> culprit. To be honest, I can't seem to finger it, but a buddy
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> mine
>> >> >> >> crawled under there and swore that was the one. If it were left
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> me,
>> >> >> >> I'd
>> >> >> >> probably have to replace all of the ones on the passenger side.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyhow, getting it out of the drag link just took a minute.
>> >> >> >> Piece
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> cake.
>> >> >> >> Loosened the retainer. Again, easy stuff. The problem is
>> >> >> >> getting
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> out
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the tie rod. I've got a pretty long pipe-wrench on the tie rod
>> >> >> >> end
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> can't get it to come loose. Seems like the end is stuck in the
>> >> >> >> tie
>> >> >> >> rod.
>> >> >> >> After playing around with the end itself, I just can't see how
>> >> >> >> that's
>> >> >> >> making
>> >> >> >> the noise, though. I put it back (since I can't get it out!)
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> wonder
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> the noise isn't another ball joint. I think it could be the
>> >> >> >> joint
>> >> >> >> at
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> top of the knuckle (the part the caliper attaches to). I know
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> shoot
>> >> >> >> grease into that zerk it comes right out of the dust boot.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Any thoughts? How do you get a tie rod end out when it's stuck
>> >> >> >> like
>> >> >> >> that?
>> >> >> >> Honestly, this could be a lack-of-muscle issue, but I had good
>> >> >> >> leverage.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Eric
>> >> >> >> 99 TJ SE

Eric

OK -- the tube doesn't twist past the limits of the socket joints. Haven't
had a chance to jack it up and check for that movement yet. Things have
been rather nuts. I'll get to it this weekend for sure.

Eric
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42528B08.5F9C1BEA@sympatico.ca...
> The tie rod and drag links will twist to the movement limits of the ball
> and socket joints. If the tube twists more, it needs to be tightened.
>
> You need to watch out for up and down movement more than the twist.
>
> Mike
>
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> Nope.. caster/camber (can't remember which) is good. I'll jack it up and
>> check to see if I can get movement.
>>
>> Are the tierod and drag link supposed to twist? I can grab it and twist
>> it
>> (imagine a motorcycle throttle) quite a bit.
>>
>> Eric
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42513900.A7684DCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ok, so if you stand up front and look at the front wheels, do either
>> > one
>> > of them tilt in or out at the top or bottom?
>> >
>> > If so, you could have a dead ball joint. You will need to jack the
>> > weight off the wheel and pry with a bar to see if you can get any
>> > movement in it.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Eric wrote:
>> >>
>> >> BTW -- just found a pic of the ujoints. Can't imagine those are
>> >> making
>> >> the
>> >> noise...
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:4250A700.D9794112@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Well besides the pump itself there are u-joints at the ends of the
>> >> > front
>> >> > axles right behind the wheel. To make a noise when not spinning
>> >> > they
>> >> > would have to be seriously seized. You can cut the wheels to the
>> >> > side
>> >> > and inspect them. If they are flopping or show tons of rust...
>> >> > Well I
>> >> > guess you could just get down there and listen while someone else
>> >> > turns
>> >> > the wheel...
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> > Eric wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You can make a grinding noise with the engine off and stopped and
>> >> >> > rocking the steering wheel?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> YES!! That's the problem!! More obvious when the motor is
>> >> >> running,
>> >> >> as I
>> >> >> can turn the wheel further (33x12.50 MTs don't turn to easily
>> >> >> without
>> >> >> power
>> >> >> assist!)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eric
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:424FF944.6CDFC0E7@sympatico.ca...
>> >> >> > On the matter of the drag link, it does not come apart. You have
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > buy
>> >> >> > the whole $120.00 or so part.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > They don't 'grind' when bad, the steering wheel just flops loose
>> >> >> > side
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > side.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You can make a grinding noise with the engine off and stopped and
>> >> >> > rocking the steering wheel?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Have you check the power steering fluid?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike
>> >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Eric wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> My TJ's been making a lot of noises when steering lately. To
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> point I
>> >> >> >> could hold my cell phone out the window and the person on the
>> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> end
>> >> >> >> could hear the grinding.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After much checking, it seemed that the tie rod end at the drag
>> >> >> >> link
>> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> culprit. To be honest, I can't seem to finger it, but a buddy
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> mine
>> >> >> >> crawled under there and swore that was the one. If it were left
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> me,
>> >> >> >> I'd
>> >> >> >> probably have to replace all of the ones on the passenger side.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyhow, getting it out of the drag link just took a minute.
>> >> >> >> Piece
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> cake.
>> >> >> >> Loosened the retainer. Again, easy stuff. The problem is
>> >> >> >> getting
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> out
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the tie rod. I've got a pretty long pipe-wrench on the tie rod
>> >> >> >> end
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> can't get it to come loose. Seems like the end is stuck in the
>> >> >> >> tie
>> >> >> >> rod.
>> >> >> >> After playing around with the end itself, I just can't see how
>> >> >> >> that's
>> >> >> >> making
>> >> >> >> the noise, though. I put it back (since I can't get it out!)
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> wonder
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> the noise isn't another ball joint. I think it could be the
>> >> >> >> joint
>> >> >> >> at
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> top of the knuckle (the part the caliper attaches to). I know
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> shoot
>> >> >> >> grease into that zerk it comes right out of the dust boot.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Any thoughts? How do you get a tie rod end out when it's stuck
>> >> >> >> like
>> >> >> >> that?
>> >> >> >> Honestly, this could be a lack-of-muscle issue, but I had good
>> >> >> >> leverage.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Eric
>> >> >> >> 99 TJ SE

Steve

Thanks Bill....but don't these all show how to get them apart?
how do they get together? Hammer?

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technica...010037_JPG.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/pitmanTool.jpg
> http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...ucklebench.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Steve wrote:
>>
>> ok...you guys are talking about using some good force to get these things
>> off...I'll admit I didn't research it...but bear with me! If it's so
>> hard
>> to get off...how do you get it on?!

Steve

Thanks Bill....but don't these all show how to get them apart?
how do they get together? Hammer?

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42531F77.BB7C60DF@***.net...
> http://www.4x4xplor.com/images/front...nt-track08.jpg
> http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technica...010037_JPG.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/pitmanTool.jpg
> http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...ucklebench.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Steve wrote:
>>
>> ok...you guys are talking about using some good force to get these things
>> off...I'll admit I didn't research it...but bear with me! If it's so
>> hard
>> to get off...how do you get it on?!

Steve

Thanks Bill....but don't these all show how to get them apart?
how do they get together? Hammer?

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42531F77.BB7C60DF@***.net...
> http://www.4x4xplor.com/images/front...nt-track08.jpg
> http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technica...010037_JPG.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/pitmanTool.jpg
> http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...ucklebench.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Steve wrote:
>>
>> ok...you guys are talking about using some good force to get these things
>> off...I'll admit I didn't research it...but bear with me! If it's so
>> hard
>> to get off...how do you get it on?!

Steve

Thanks Bill....but don't these all show how to get them apart?
how do they get together? Hammer?

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42531F77.BB7C60DF@***.net...
> http://www.4x4xplor.com/images/front...nt-track08.jpg
> http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technica...010037_JPG.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/pitmanTool.jpg
> http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...ucklebench.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Steve wrote:
>>
>> ok...you guys are talking about using some good force to get these things
>> off...I'll admit I didn't research it...but bear with me! If it's so
>> hard
>> to get off...how do you get it on?!

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Steve,
They are on a taper, just holding them together offers enough drag
to zip the nut on and torque it:
http://www.4x4xplor.com/images/front...nt-track06.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Steve wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill....but don't these all show how to get them apart?
> how do they get together? Hammer?

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Steve,
They are on a taper, just holding them together offers enough drag
to zip the nut on and torque it:
http://www.4x4xplor.com/images/front...nt-track06.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Steve wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill....but don't these all show how to get them apart?
> how do they get together? Hammer?