Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
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Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
With those lifters and rods in, will the valves close at any point in
the crankshaft's revolution?
Mike
Harris Family wrote:
>
> Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > No.
> >
> > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > Check the distributor's position.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Harris Family wrote:
> > >
> > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are open
> > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> incorrect
> > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this whole
> > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> distributor
> > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank 360
> > > degrees.
> > > >
> > > > JoBo
> > > >
> > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap on
> my
> > > '86
> > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I went
> to
> > > put
> > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were opened on
> #1
> > > cyl
> > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for compression.
> > > Apparently
> > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> amiss.
> > > Got
> > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > pushrods
> > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
the crankshaft's revolution?
Mike
Harris Family wrote:
>
> Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > No.
> >
> > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > Check the distributor's position.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Harris Family wrote:
> > >
> > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are open
> > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> incorrect
> > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this whole
> > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> distributor
> > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank 360
> > > degrees.
> > > >
> > > > JoBo
> > > >
> > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap on
> my
> > > '86
> > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I went
> to
> > > put
> > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were opened on
> #1
> > > cyl
> > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for compression.
> > > Apparently
> > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> amiss.
> > > Got
> > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > pushrods
> > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
With those lifters and rods in, will the valves close at any point in
the crankshaft's revolution?
Mike
Harris Family wrote:
>
> Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > No.
> >
> > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > Check the distributor's position.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Harris Family wrote:
> > >
> > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are open
> > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> incorrect
> > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this whole
> > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> distributor
> > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank 360
> > > degrees.
> > > >
> > > > JoBo
> > > >
> > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap on
> my
> > > '86
> > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I went
> to
> > > put
> > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were opened on
> #1
> > > cyl
> > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for compression.
> > > Apparently
> > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> amiss.
> > > Got
> > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > pushrods
> > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
the crankshaft's revolution?
Mike
Harris Family wrote:
>
> Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > No.
> >
> > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > Check the distributor's position.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Harris Family wrote:
> > >
> > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are open
> > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> incorrect
> > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this whole
> > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> distributor
> > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank 360
> > > degrees.
> > > >
> > > > JoBo
> > > >
> > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap on
> my
> > > '86
> > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I went
> to
> > > put
> > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were opened on
> #1
> > > cyl
> > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for compression.
> > > Apparently
> > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> amiss.
> > > Got
> > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > pushrods
> > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
With those lifters and rods in, will the valves close at any point in
the crankshaft's revolution?
Mike
Harris Family wrote:
>
> Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > No.
> >
> > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > Check the distributor's position.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Harris Family wrote:
> > >
> > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are open
> > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> incorrect
> > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this whole
> > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> distributor
> > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank 360
> > > degrees.
> > > >
> > > > JoBo
> > > >
> > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap on
> my
> > > '86
> > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I went
> to
> > > put
> > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were opened on
> #1
> > > cyl
> > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for compression.
> > > Apparently
> > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> amiss.
> > > Got
> > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > pushrods
> > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
the crankshaft's revolution?
Mike
Harris Family wrote:
>
> Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > No.
> >
> > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > Check the distributor's position.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Harris Family wrote:
> > >
> > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are open
> > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> incorrect
> > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this whole
> > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> distributor
> > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank 360
> > > degrees.
> > > >
> > > > JoBo
> > > >
> > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap on
> my
> > > '86
> > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I went
> to
> > > put
> > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were opened on
> #1
> > > cyl
> > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for compression.
> > > Apparently
> > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> amiss.
> > > Got
> > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > pushrods
> > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
Quite simply, Pull the spark plug from #1 and feel the air rush out as you
turn the crank to the 0degree mark. The air rush is the compression stroke
bringing you to TDC.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC4F0.660C7DFF@sympatico.ca...
> How can you do it with the distributor cap in place?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
turn the crank to the 0degree mark. The air rush is the compression stroke
bringing you to TDC.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC4F0.660C7DFF@sympatico.ca...
> How can you do it with the distributor cap in place?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
Quite simply, Pull the spark plug from #1 and feel the air rush out as you
turn the crank to the 0degree mark. The air rush is the compression stroke
bringing you to TDC.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC4F0.660C7DFF@sympatico.ca...
> How can you do it with the distributor cap in place?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
turn the crank to the 0degree mark. The air rush is the compression stroke
bringing you to TDC.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC4F0.660C7DFF@sympatico.ca...
> How can you do it with the distributor cap in place?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
Quite simply, Pull the spark plug from #1 and feel the air rush out as you
turn the crank to the 0degree mark. The air rush is the compression stroke
bringing you to TDC.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC4F0.660C7DFF@sympatico.ca...
> How can you do it with the distributor cap in place?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
turn the crank to the 0degree mark. The air rush is the compression stroke
bringing you to TDC.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC4F0.660C7DFF@sympatico.ca...
> How can you do it with the distributor cap in place?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
Quite simply, Pull the spark plug from #1 and feel the air rush out as you
turn the crank to the 0degree mark. The air rush is the compression stroke
bringing you to TDC.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC4F0.660C7DFF@sympatico.ca...
> How can you do it with the distributor cap in place?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
turn the crank to the 0degree mark. The air rush is the compression stroke
bringing you to TDC.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC4F0.660C7DFF@sympatico.ca...
> How can you do it with the distributor cap in place?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
No. I couldn't even tighten any down without hitting the #1 and #6 cylinders
(both are up at TDC). Also in a previous post of yours you said there are 2
TDC's. That isn't really true. there is only one. The crankshaft can go to 0
degrees twice in a complete cycle and when it is at 0 degreees both times
the valves on number 1and 6 are closed.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC64F.C9D39A86@sympatico.ca...
> With those lifters and rods in, will the valves close at any point in
> the crankshaft's revolution?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
(both are up at TDC). Also in a previous post of yours you said there are 2
TDC's. That isn't really true. there is only one. The crankshaft can go to 0
degrees twice in a complete cycle and when it is at 0 degreees both times
the valves on number 1and 6 are closed.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC64F.C9D39A86@sympatico.ca...
> With those lifters and rods in, will the valves close at any point in
> the crankshaft's revolution?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
No. I couldn't even tighten any down without hitting the #1 and #6 cylinders
(both are up at TDC). Also in a previous post of yours you said there are 2
TDC's. That isn't really true. there is only one. The crankshaft can go to 0
degrees twice in a complete cycle and when it is at 0 degreees both times
the valves on number 1and 6 are closed.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC64F.C9D39A86@sympatico.ca...
> With those lifters and rods in, will the valves close at any point in
> the crankshaft's revolution?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
(both are up at TDC). Also in a previous post of yours you said there are 2
TDC's. That isn't really true. there is only one. The crankshaft can go to 0
degrees twice in a complete cycle and when it is at 0 degreees both times
the valves on number 1and 6 are closed.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC64F.C9D39A86@sympatico.ca...
> With those lifters and rods in, will the valves close at any point in
> the crankshaft's revolution?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Help! doing the 4.0 head swap on a 258!
No. I couldn't even tighten any down without hitting the #1 and #6 cylinders
(both are up at TDC). Also in a previous post of yours you said there are 2
TDC's. That isn't really true. there is only one. The crankshaft can go to 0
degrees twice in a complete cycle and when it is at 0 degreees both times
the valves on number 1and 6 are closed.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC64F.C9D39A86@sympatico.ca...
> With those lifters and rods in, will the valves close at any point in
> the crankshaft's revolution?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
(both are up at TDC). Also in a previous post of yours you said there are 2
TDC's. That isn't really true. there is only one. The crankshaft can go to 0
degrees twice in a complete cycle and when it is at 0 degreees both times
the valves on number 1and 6 are closed.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:411AC64F.C9D39A86@sympatico.ca...
> With those lifters and rods in, will the valves close at any point in
> the crankshaft's revolution?
>
> Mike
>
> Harris Family wrote:
> >
> > Comon Mike.... Give me credit for at least knowing how to dothis...
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A1DE7.2A5B6A73@sympatico.ca...
> > > No.
> > >
> > > You have 2 TDC's. One has the valves closed, one has them both open.
> > > Check the distributor's position.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Harris Family wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The distributor position is irrelevant in this case. The valves are
open
> > > > because either the pushrods are too long or the rockers are of an
> > incorrect
> > > > design for this head. I never removed the distributor during this
whole
> > > > operation. All I did was pull the old head and bolt on the new.
> > > > "Jo Bo" <jromas@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:08mSc.11877$Nl1.1300@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > > > > Maybe a dumb question but have you checked the position of the
> > distributor
> > > > > rotor for pointing to #1 cylinder? If not try turning the crank
360
> > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > JoBo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:gJeSc.3870$Qa4.538@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > > > Folks, I'm in a pickle!
> > > > > > Hope you can help me. I'm in the process of doing the head swap
on
> > my
> > > > '86
> > > > > > CJ7. Got the head installed no problem. Here's my catch, when I
went
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > the 258 stock rockers and pushrods back in, my valves were
opened on
> > #1
> > > > cyl
> > > > > > when its at TDC. AS we all know this is not good for
compression.
> > > > Apparently
> > > > > > either my pushrods are too long or something in the rockers is
> > amiss.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > any ideas? Should I be using 4.0l rockers, pivot assemblies, and
> > > > pushrods
> > > > > > instead of the old 258 engine parts?
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > Rich Harris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
