SB

just a quick question....where's the other end of hte dipstick?! did it
break off in the engine? Will it get in to the oil pump or anything and do
damage?


"Rob" <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote in message
news:nt9ga0159btb1kjjqmkoragvgjmh52nrhv@4ax.com...
>
> I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
> was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
> and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
>
> Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
> the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
> he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
> if its full or not.
>
> Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
> the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
>
> It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
> running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
> the intake manifold.
>
> I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
> damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
> some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
> idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
>
> Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
> the CJ and I can't even drive it!
>
> Rob
>

Rob

That does sound like a nightmare.

It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb
with a Holley carb:
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html

I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well
seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in
color, others more reddish brown.

The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago.

Thanks again,

Rob


On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:16:11 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>You really don't want the same answer for both....
>
>Too much oil will hit the crankshaft. The crankshaft then turns the oil
>to foam. The oil pump pumps foam to the bearings. The engine then
>starts slowing down while seizing up from lack of oil.
>
>Or hopefully you can just drain the sucker and put the right amount in
>and that will stop the oil all over the place.
>
>You 'really' need to tell us what 'kind' of engine and the year for us
>to point you to say a common carb fix for no idle, leaky valve cover
>issues with one engine, etc...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>Rob wrote:
>>
>> Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
>> blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
>> an idle.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
>> >was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
>> >and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
>> >
>> >Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
>> >the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
>> >he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
>> >if its full or not.
>> >
>> >Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
>> >the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
>> >
>> >It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
>> >running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
>> >the intake manifold.
>> >
>> >I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
>> >damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
>> >some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
>> >idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
>> >
>> >Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
>> >the CJ and I can't even drive it!
>> >
>> >Rob
>> >

Rob

That does sound like a nightmare.

It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb
with a Holley carb:
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html

I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well
seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in
color, others more reddish brown.

The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago.

Thanks again,

Rob


On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:16:11 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>You really don't want the same answer for both....
>
>Too much oil will hit the crankshaft. The crankshaft then turns the oil
>to foam. The oil pump pumps foam to the bearings. The engine then
>starts slowing down while seizing up from lack of oil.
>
>Or hopefully you can just drain the sucker and put the right amount in
>and that will stop the oil all over the place.
>
>You 'really' need to tell us what 'kind' of engine and the year for us
>to point you to say a common carb fix for no idle, leaky valve cover
>issues with one engine, etc...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>Rob wrote:
>>
>> Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
>> blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
>> an idle.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
>> >was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
>> >and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
>> >
>> >Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
>> >the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
>> >he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
>> >if its full or not.
>> >
>> >Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
>> >the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
>> >
>> >It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
>> >running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
>> >the intake manifold.
>> >
>> >I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
>> >damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
>> >some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
>> >idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
>> >
>> >Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
>> >the CJ and I can't even drive it!
>> >
>> >Rob
>> >

Rob

That does sound like a nightmare.

It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb
with a Holley carb:
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html

I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well
seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in
color, others more reddish brown.

The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago.

Thanks again,

Rob


On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:16:11 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>You really don't want the same answer for both....
>
>Too much oil will hit the crankshaft. The crankshaft then turns the oil
>to foam. The oil pump pumps foam to the bearings. The engine then
>starts slowing down while seizing up from lack of oil.
>
>Or hopefully you can just drain the sucker and put the right amount in
>and that will stop the oil all over the place.
>
>You 'really' need to tell us what 'kind' of engine and the year for us
>to point you to say a common carb fix for no idle, leaky valve cover
>issues with one engine, etc...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>Rob wrote:
>>
>> Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
>> blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
>> an idle.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
>> >was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
>> >and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
>> >
>> >Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
>> >the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
>> >he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
>> >if its full or not.
>> >
>> >Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
>> >the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
>> >
>> >It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
>> >running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
>> >the intake manifold.
>> >
>> >I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
>> >damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
>> >some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
>> >idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
>> >
>> >Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
>> >the CJ and I can't even drive it!
>> >
>> >Rob
>> >

Rob

That does sound like a nightmare.

It's an '83 CJ-7 with the 258 I6. The owner replaced the stock carb
with a Holley carb:
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...SC/0-8007.html

I checked the plugs and none were oily, though all looked "well
seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some light in
color, others more reddish brown.

The motor was rebuilt in '97 about 14k miles ago.

Thanks again,

Rob


On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:16:11 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>You really don't want the same answer for both....
>
>Too much oil will hit the crankshaft. The crankshaft then turns the oil
>to foam. The oil pump pumps foam to the bearings. The engine then
>starts slowing down while seizing up from lack of oil.
>
>Or hopefully you can just drain the sucker and put the right amount in
>and that will stop the oil all over the place.
>
>You 'really' need to tell us what 'kind' of engine and the year for us
>to point you to say a common carb fix for no idle, leaky valve cover
>issues with one engine, etc...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>Rob wrote:
>>
>> Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
>> blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
>> an idle.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
>> >was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
>> >and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
>> >
>> >Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
>> >the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
>> >he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
>> >if its full or not.
>> >
>> >Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
>> >the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
>> >
>> >It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
>> >running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
>> >the intake manifold.
>> >
>> >I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
>> >damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
>> >some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
>> >idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
>> >
>> >Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
>> >the CJ and I can't even drive it!
>> >
>> >Rob
>> >

Rob

I checked the plugs today and luckily none were oily, though all
looked "well seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some
light in color, others more reddish brown.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll change the oil in the next day or two when I can get home before
dark.

Rob



On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:08:59 GMT, tookie_nospam@***.net (Tookie )
wrote:

>Change the oil as stated, but this engine may
>be worn and oil fouling the plugs - previous owner puts
>in a new set before he sells it, runs good for the test drive,
>hopefully that's not the case here
>Tookie - Denham Springs, LA
>88YJ, 4" lift, 33" TSLs, Lock-Rights
>PosiLock, 4.10s

Rob

I checked the plugs today and luckily none were oily, though all
looked "well seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some
light in color, others more reddish brown.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll change the oil in the next day or two when I can get home before
dark.

Rob



On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:08:59 GMT, tookie_nospam@***.net (Tookie )
wrote:

>Change the oil as stated, but this engine may
>be worn and oil fouling the plugs - previous owner puts
>in a new set before he sells it, runs good for the test drive,
>hopefully that's not the case here
>Tookie - Denham Springs, LA
>88YJ, 4" lift, 33" TSLs, Lock-Rights
>PosiLock, 4.10s

Rob

I checked the plugs today and luckily none were oily, though all
looked "well seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some
light in color, others more reddish brown.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll change the oil in the next day or two when I can get home before
dark.

Rob



On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:08:59 GMT, tookie_nospam@***.net (Tookie )
wrote:

>Change the oil as stated, but this engine may
>be worn and oil fouling the plugs - previous owner puts
>in a new set before he sells it, runs good for the test drive,
>hopefully that's not the case here
>Tookie - Denham Springs, LA
>88YJ, 4" lift, 33" TSLs, Lock-Rights
>PosiLock, 4.10s

Rob

I checked the plugs today and luckily none were oily, though all
looked "well seasoned". Roughly the look and feel of sandpaper - some
light in color, others more reddish brown.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll change the oil in the next day or two when I can get home before
dark.

Rob



On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:08:59 GMT, tookie_nospam@***.net (Tookie )
wrote:

>Change the oil as stated, but this engine may
>be worn and oil fouling the plugs - previous owner puts
>in a new set before he sells it, runs good for the test drive,
>hopefully that's not the case here
>Tookie - Denham Springs, LA
>88YJ, 4" lift, 33" TSLs, Lock-Rights
>PosiLock, 4.10s

Rob

He says he managed to get it out but I didn't ask how - though I
should have. Might have made for an interesting story.

On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:38:32 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>just a quick question....where's the other end of hte dipstick?! did it
>break off in the engine? Will it get in to the oil pump or anything and do
>damage?
>
>
>"Rob" <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote in message
>news:nt9ga0159btb1kjjqmkoragvgjmh52nrhv@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
>> was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
>> and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
>>
>> Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
>> the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
>> he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
>> if its full or not.
>>
>> Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
>> the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
>>
>> It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
>> running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
>> the intake manifold.
>>
>> I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
>> damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
>> some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
>> idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
>>
>> Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
>> the CJ and I can't even drive it!
>>
>> Rob
>>
>