Help: CJ idle/running problem
05-25-2004, 06:38 PM
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Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
You are welcome.
Mike
Rob wrote:
>
> I really appreciate your time and ideas in this thread. I'll dig into
> the gas tank issue and decide which way to go. At least I have some
> peace of mind now knowing why it wasn't running right.
>
> Again, many thanks,
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:31:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Your tank has a screen on the gas pickup line, but rust can get through
> >it.
> >
> >Your problem usually happens when someone left the tank empty for
> >extended periods and condensation killed it. It might really be dead or
> >you might be able to flush it with a bunch of filters.
> >
> >For rust like that, you can likely use compressed air and back blow the
> >filters. The first one is trash but the ones that fill up fast can be
> >cleaned.
> >
> >This also doesn't say good things for the gas lines themselves.
> >
> >I have the 76L plastic tank on mine. The fuel pickup and the skid plate
> >are different than the steel tank.
> >
> >If your tank is in good shape on the outside, there are places and kits
> >you can buy to epoxy the inside of the tank. There used to be a place
> >local to me that did them for $75.00 or something and Bike shops sell
> >the kits for Bike gas tanks.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, the mystery is solved, but not without its own problems. The
> >> owner says he changed filters just a couple weeks prior to my coming
> >> to get the Jeep. In a desparation attempt, I changed the fuel filter
> >> and sure enough, a bunch of rust came out of the old and it began
> >> running fine with the new filter - for about 5 minutes then the same
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> I'm assuming rust in the tank - do you guys recommend something to fix
> >> this tak, replace with another metal tank, or going plastic?
> >>
> >> Any issues to be aware of if I go from 15 to 21 gallons?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> On Mon, 17 May 2004 03:02:55 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
> >> >blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
> >> >an idle.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks again,
> >> >
> >> >Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
> >> >>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
> >> >>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
> >> >>
> >> >>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
> >> >>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
> >> >>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
> >> >>if its full or not.
> >> >>
> >> >>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
> >> >>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
> >> >>
> >> >>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
> >> >>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
> >> >>the intake manifold.
> >> >>
> >> >>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
> >> >>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
> >> >>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
> >> >>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
> >> >>the CJ and I can't even drive it!
> >> >>
> >> >>Rob
> >> >>
Mike
Rob wrote:
>
> I really appreciate your time and ideas in this thread. I'll dig into
> the gas tank issue and decide which way to go. At least I have some
> peace of mind now knowing why it wasn't running right.
>
> Again, many thanks,
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:31:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Your tank has a screen on the gas pickup line, but rust can get through
> >it.
> >
> >Your problem usually happens when someone left the tank empty for
> >extended periods and condensation killed it. It might really be dead or
> >you might be able to flush it with a bunch of filters.
> >
> >For rust like that, you can likely use compressed air and back blow the
> >filters. The first one is trash but the ones that fill up fast can be
> >cleaned.
> >
> >This also doesn't say good things for the gas lines themselves.
> >
> >I have the 76L plastic tank on mine. The fuel pickup and the skid plate
> >are different than the steel tank.
> >
> >If your tank is in good shape on the outside, there are places and kits
> >you can buy to epoxy the inside of the tank. There used to be a place
> >local to me that did them for $75.00 or something and Bike shops sell
> >the kits for Bike gas tanks.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, the mystery is solved, but not without its own problems. The
> >> owner says he changed filters just a couple weeks prior to my coming
> >> to get the Jeep. In a desparation attempt, I changed the fuel filter
> >> and sure enough, a bunch of rust came out of the old and it began
> >> running fine with the new filter - for about 5 minutes then the same
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> I'm assuming rust in the tank - do you guys recommend something to fix
> >> this tak, replace with another metal tank, or going plastic?
> >>
> >> Any issues to be aware of if I go from 15 to 21 gallons?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> On Mon, 17 May 2004 03:02:55 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
> >> >blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
> >> >an idle.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks again,
> >> >
> >> >Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
> >> >>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
> >> >>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
> >> >>
> >> >>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
> >> >>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
> >> >>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
> >> >>if its full or not.
> >> >>
> >> >>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
> >> >>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
> >> >>
> >> >>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
> >> >>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
> >> >>the intake manifold.
> >> >>
> >> >>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
> >> >>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
> >> >>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
> >> >>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
> >> >>the CJ and I can't even drive it!
> >> >>
> >> >>Rob
> >> >>
05-25-2004, 06:38 PM
#72
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Posts: n/a
Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
You are welcome.
Mike
Rob wrote:
>
> I really appreciate your time and ideas in this thread. I'll dig into
> the gas tank issue and decide which way to go. At least I have some
> peace of mind now knowing why it wasn't running right.
>
> Again, many thanks,
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:31:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Your tank has a screen on the gas pickup line, but rust can get through
> >it.
> >
> >Your problem usually happens when someone left the tank empty for
> >extended periods and condensation killed it. It might really be dead or
> >you might be able to flush it with a bunch of filters.
> >
> >For rust like that, you can likely use compressed air and back blow the
> >filters. The first one is trash but the ones that fill up fast can be
> >cleaned.
> >
> >This also doesn't say good things for the gas lines themselves.
> >
> >I have the 76L plastic tank on mine. The fuel pickup and the skid plate
> >are different than the steel tank.
> >
> >If your tank is in good shape on the outside, there are places and kits
> >you can buy to epoxy the inside of the tank. There used to be a place
> >local to me that did them for $75.00 or something and Bike shops sell
> >the kits for Bike gas tanks.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, the mystery is solved, but not without its own problems. The
> >> owner says he changed filters just a couple weeks prior to my coming
> >> to get the Jeep. In a desparation attempt, I changed the fuel filter
> >> and sure enough, a bunch of rust came out of the old and it began
> >> running fine with the new filter - for about 5 minutes then the same
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> I'm assuming rust in the tank - do you guys recommend something to fix
> >> this tak, replace with another metal tank, or going plastic?
> >>
> >> Any issues to be aware of if I go from 15 to 21 gallons?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> On Mon, 17 May 2004 03:02:55 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
> >> >blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
> >> >an idle.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks again,
> >> >
> >> >Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
> >> >>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
> >> >>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
> >> >>
> >> >>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
> >> >>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
> >> >>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
> >> >>if its full or not.
> >> >>
> >> >>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
> >> >>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
> >> >>
> >> >>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
> >> >>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
> >> >>the intake manifold.
> >> >>
> >> >>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
> >> >>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
> >> >>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
> >> >>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
> >> >>the CJ and I can't even drive it!
> >> >>
> >> >>Rob
> >> >>
Mike
Rob wrote:
>
> I really appreciate your time and ideas in this thread. I'll dig into
> the gas tank issue and decide which way to go. At least I have some
> peace of mind now knowing why it wasn't running right.
>
> Again, many thanks,
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:31:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Your tank has a screen on the gas pickup line, but rust can get through
> >it.
> >
> >Your problem usually happens when someone left the tank empty for
> >extended periods and condensation killed it. It might really be dead or
> >you might be able to flush it with a bunch of filters.
> >
> >For rust like that, you can likely use compressed air and back blow the
> >filters. The first one is trash but the ones that fill up fast can be
> >cleaned.
> >
> >This also doesn't say good things for the gas lines themselves.
> >
> >I have the 76L plastic tank on mine. The fuel pickup and the skid plate
> >are different than the steel tank.
> >
> >If your tank is in good shape on the outside, there are places and kits
> >you can buy to epoxy the inside of the tank. There used to be a place
> >local to me that did them for $75.00 or something and Bike shops sell
> >the kits for Bike gas tanks.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, the mystery is solved, but not without its own problems. The
> >> owner says he changed filters just a couple weeks prior to my coming
> >> to get the Jeep. In a desparation attempt, I changed the fuel filter
> >> and sure enough, a bunch of rust came out of the old and it began
> >> running fine with the new filter - for about 5 minutes then the same
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> I'm assuming rust in the tank - do you guys recommend something to fix
> >> this tak, replace with another metal tank, or going plastic?
> >>
> >> Any issues to be aware of if I go from 15 to 21 gallons?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> On Mon, 17 May 2004 03:02:55 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
> >> >blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
> >> >an idle.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks again,
> >> >
> >> >Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
> >> >>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
> >> >>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
> >> >>
> >> >>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
> >> >>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
> >> >>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
> >> >>if its full or not.
> >> >>
> >> >>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
> >> >>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
> >> >>
> >> >>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
> >> >>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
> >> >>the intake manifold.
> >> >>
> >> >>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
> >> >>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
> >> >>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
> >> >>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
> >> >>the CJ and I can't even drive it!
> >> >>
> >> >>Rob
> >> >>
05-25-2004, 06:38 PM
#73
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Help: CJ idle/running problem
You are welcome.
Mike
Rob wrote:
>
> I really appreciate your time and ideas in this thread. I'll dig into
> the gas tank issue and decide which way to go. At least I have some
> peace of mind now knowing why it wasn't running right.
>
> Again, many thanks,
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:31:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Your tank has a screen on the gas pickup line, but rust can get through
> >it.
> >
> >Your problem usually happens when someone left the tank empty for
> >extended periods and condensation killed it. It might really be dead or
> >you might be able to flush it with a bunch of filters.
> >
> >For rust like that, you can likely use compressed air and back blow the
> >filters. The first one is trash but the ones that fill up fast can be
> >cleaned.
> >
> >This also doesn't say good things for the gas lines themselves.
> >
> >I have the 76L plastic tank on mine. The fuel pickup and the skid plate
> >are different than the steel tank.
> >
> >If your tank is in good shape on the outside, there are places and kits
> >you can buy to epoxy the inside of the tank. There used to be a place
> >local to me that did them for $75.00 or something and Bike shops sell
> >the kits for Bike gas tanks.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, the mystery is solved, but not without its own problems. The
> >> owner says he changed filters just a couple weeks prior to my coming
> >> to get the Jeep. In a desparation attempt, I changed the fuel filter
> >> and sure enough, a bunch of rust came out of the old and it began
> >> running fine with the new filter - for about 5 minutes then the same
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> I'm assuming rust in the tank - do you guys recommend something to fix
> >> this tak, replace with another metal tank, or going plastic?
> >>
> >> Any issues to be aware of if I go from 15 to 21 gallons?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> On Mon, 17 May 2004 03:02:55 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
> >> >blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
> >> >an idle.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks again,
> >> >
> >> >Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
> >> >>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
> >> >>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
> >> >>
> >> >>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
> >> >>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
> >> >>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
> >> >>if its full or not.
> >> >>
> >> >>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
> >> >>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
> >> >>
> >> >>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
> >> >>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
> >> >>the intake manifold.
> >> >>
> >> >>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
> >> >>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
> >> >>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
> >> >>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
> >> >>the CJ and I can't even drive it!
> >> >>
> >> >>Rob
> >> >>
Mike
Rob wrote:
>
> I really appreciate your time and ideas in this thread. I'll dig into
> the gas tank issue and decide which way to go. At least I have some
> peace of mind now knowing why it wasn't running right.
>
> Again, many thanks,
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:31:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Your tank has a screen on the gas pickup line, but rust can get through
> >it.
> >
> >Your problem usually happens when someone left the tank empty for
> >extended periods and condensation killed it. It might really be dead or
> >you might be able to flush it with a bunch of filters.
> >
> >For rust like that, you can likely use compressed air and back blow the
> >filters. The first one is trash but the ones that fill up fast can be
> >cleaned.
> >
> >This also doesn't say good things for the gas lines themselves.
> >
> >I have the 76L plastic tank on mine. The fuel pickup and the skid plate
> >are different than the steel tank.
> >
> >If your tank is in good shape on the outside, there are places and kits
> >you can buy to epoxy the inside of the tank. There used to be a place
> >local to me that did them for $75.00 or something and Bike shops sell
> >the kits for Bike gas tanks.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, the mystery is solved, but not without its own problems. The
> >> owner says he changed filters just a couple weeks prior to my coming
> >> to get the Jeep. In a desparation attempt, I changed the fuel filter
> >> and sure enough, a bunch of rust came out of the old and it began
> >> running fine with the new filter - for about 5 minutes then the same
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> I'm assuming rust in the tank - do you guys recommend something to fix
> >> this tak, replace with another metal tank, or going plastic?
> >>
> >> Any issues to be aware of if I go from 15 to 21 gallons?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> On Mon, 17 May 2004 03:02:55 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Guess I really have two questions - first about the over filled oil /
> >> >blown seal. Second about how to diagnose the suddone failure to keep
> >> >an idle.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks again,
> >> >
> >> >Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:55:16 GMT, Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>I just returned from buying a CJ from about 280 miles away. While I
> >> >>was there I tested everything and all was a-ok. I checked the fluids
> >> >>and wanted to make sure everything was ok for the roadtrip home.
> >> >>
> >> >>Oil indicated a little low so we added a quart. Still showed low, but
> >> >>the guy then says that the dripstick broke off and when he replaced it
> >> >>he made his own markings - ok, so I can't go by the dipstick to tell
> >> >>if its full or not.
> >> >>
> >> >>Close to home it started idling really rough at slow speeds or with
> >> >>the clutch in. Soon it began to die completely with the clutch in.
> >> >>
> >> >>It's sat for a few hours, temps all back down and it still won't stay
> >> >>running. There;s oil all over the valve cover and some puddled around
> >> >>the intake manifold.
> >> >>
> >> >>I suspect there may have been too much oil. Question: If so, what
> >> >>damage may have been done and how can I tell? I understand that in
> >> >>some cars it may blow a seal. Knowing I'm going to look like an
> >> >>idiot, can someone wlak me through how to diagnose a blown seal?
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks a buch - it's painful to just come home and be excited about
> >> >>the CJ and I can't even drive it!
> >> >>
> >> >>Rob
> >> >>
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