Earle Horton

What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing there,
you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then that
points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> OK,
> I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
> BUT
> if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so
> I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
>
> For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
(this
> is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part time
> first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of
a
> yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
>
> any more thoughts????
>
> thank YOU
> paul
>
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at
> > differential).
> > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
> > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
> >
> > thanks
> > paul
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >>
> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> paul wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
> >>>
> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
> >>> small
> >>> metal fines near the drain plug.
> >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> >>> noticable,
> >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
> >>> drive.
> >>>
> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>> paul
> >>>
> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>> > DOH!!!!
> >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
> >>> > Is
> >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
it?
> >>> >
> >>> > thanks again
> >>> > paul
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> >>> >> speed,
> >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> >>> >> replaced
> >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
> >>> >> trick
> >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
the
> >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
and
> >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
> >>> >> or
> >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> >>> >> links).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
joints
> >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
and
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
not
> >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
lever,
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
shift
> >>> >> lever.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ??????????
> >>> >>
> >>> >> thanks
> >>> >> paul
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >
> >
>
>

paul

Thanks Earle, I will check for a bad bearing this evening after work and let
you know.

Is the interaxle a difficult fix?

thanks
paul

"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44c58a05$0$23772$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
> underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing
> there,
> you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then that
> points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.
>
> Earle
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> OK,
>> I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
>> BUT
>> if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so
>> I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
>>
>> For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
> (this
>> is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part
>> time
>> first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of
> a
>> yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
>>
>> any more thoughts????
>>
>> thank YOU
>> paul
>>
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1
>> > at
>> > differential).
>> > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
>> > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > paul
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
>> >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
>> >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
>> >>
>> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>
>> >> paul wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
>> >>>
>> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
>> >>> very
>> >>> small
>> >>> metal fines near the drain plug.
>> >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
>> >>> noticable,
>> >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
>> >>> drive.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>> paul
>> >>>
>> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>> > DOH!!!!
>> >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
>> >>> > front.
>> >>> > Is
>> >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
> it?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > thanks again
>> >>> > paul
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
>> >>> >> speed,
>> >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
>> >>> >> replaced
>> >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
>> >>> >> bolt'
>> >>> >> trick
>> >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
> the
>> >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
> and
>> >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
>> >>> >> animals,
>> >>> >> or
>> >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
>> >>> >> links).
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
> joints
>> >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
> and
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
> not
>> >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
> lever,
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
> shift
>> >>> >> lever.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> ??????????
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> thanks
>> >>> >> paul
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

paul

Thanks Earle, I will check for a bad bearing this evening after work and let
you know.

Is the interaxle a difficult fix?

thanks
paul

"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44c58a05$0$23772$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
> underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing
> there,
> you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then that
> points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.
>
> Earle
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> OK,
>> I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
>> BUT
>> if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so
>> I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
>>
>> For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
> (this
>> is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part
>> time
>> first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of
> a
>> yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
>>
>> any more thoughts????
>>
>> thank YOU
>> paul
>>
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1
>> > at
>> > differential).
>> > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
>> > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > paul
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
>> >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
>> >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
>> >>
>> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>
>> >> paul wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
>> >>>
>> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
>> >>> very
>> >>> small
>> >>> metal fines near the drain plug.
>> >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
>> >>> noticable,
>> >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
>> >>> drive.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>> paul
>> >>>
>> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>> > DOH!!!!
>> >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
>> >>> > front.
>> >>> > Is
>> >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
> it?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > thanks again
>> >>> > paul
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
>> >>> >> speed,
>> >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
>> >>> >> replaced
>> >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
>> >>> >> bolt'
>> >>> >> trick
>> >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
> the
>> >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
> and
>> >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
>> >>> >> animals,
>> >>> >> or
>> >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
>> >>> >> links).
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
> joints
>> >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
> and
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
> not
>> >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
> lever,
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
> shift
>> >>> >> lever.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> ??????????
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> thanks
>> >>> >> paul
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

paul

Thanks Earle, I will check for a bad bearing this evening after work and let
you know.

Is the interaxle a difficult fix?

thanks
paul

"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44c58a05$0$23772$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
> underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing
> there,
> you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then that
> points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.
>
> Earle
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> OK,
>> I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
>> BUT
>> if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so
>> I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
>>
>> For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
> (this
>> is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part
>> time
>> first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of
> a
>> yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
>>
>> any more thoughts????
>>
>> thank YOU
>> paul
>>
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1
>> > at
>> > differential).
>> > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
>> > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > paul
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
>> >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
>> >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
>> >>
>> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>
>> >> paul wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
>> >>>
>> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
>> >>> very
>> >>> small
>> >>> metal fines near the drain plug.
>> >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
>> >>> noticable,
>> >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
>> >>> drive.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>> paul
>> >>>
>> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>> > DOH!!!!
>> >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
>> >>> > front.
>> >>> > Is
>> >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
> it?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > thanks again
>> >>> > paul
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
>> >>> >> speed,
>> >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
>> >>> >> replaced
>> >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
>> >>> >> bolt'
>> >>> >> trick
>> >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
> the
>> >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
> and
>> >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
>> >>> >> animals,
>> >>> >> or
>> >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
>> >>> >> links).
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
> joints
>> >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
> and
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
> not
>> >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
> lever,
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
> shift
>> >>> >> lever.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> ??????????
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> thanks
>> >>> >> paul
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

paul

Thanks Earle, I will check for a bad bearing this evening after work and let
you know.

Is the interaxle a difficult fix?

thanks
paul

"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44c58a05$0$23772$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
> underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing
> there,
> you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then that
> points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.
>
> Earle
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> OK,
>> I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
>> BUT
>> if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so
>> I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
>>
>> For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
> (this
>> is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part
>> time
>> first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of
> a
>> yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
>>
>> any more thoughts????
>>
>> thank YOU
>> paul
>>
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1
>> > at
>> > differential).
>> > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
>> > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > paul
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
>> >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
>> >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
>> >>
>> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>
>> >> paul wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
>> >>>
>> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
>> >>> very
>> >>> small
>> >>> metal fines near the drain plug.
>> >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
>> >>> noticable,
>> >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
>> >>> drive.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>> paul
>> >>>
>> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>> > DOH!!!!
>> >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
>> >>> > front.
>> >>> > Is
>> >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
> it?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > thanks again
>> >>> > paul
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
>> >>> >> speed,
>> >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
>> >>> >> replaced
>> >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
>> >>> >> bolt'
>> >>> >> trick
>> >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
> the
>> >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
> and
>> >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
>> >>> >> animals,
>> >>> >> or
>> >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
>> >>> >> links).
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
> joints
>> >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
> and
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
> not
>> >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
> lever,
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
> shift
>> >>> >> lever.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> ??????????
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> thanks
>> >>> >> paul
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Earle Horton

You would have to disassemble the entire transfer case. It depends on how
comfortable you are around planetary gear assemblies, shafts, bearings, and
chains. Some people can rip right into one of these things, tell you what
is wrong, and have a parts list ready in an hour, two on a slow day.

From what you have said, the growl originates inside the transfer case, and
most people would call this a "difficult fix". I haven't had this
particular model apart, but if it were mine I would probably be
ambitious/dumb enough to try fixing it myself.

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ndsxg.949$zg.119@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Earle, I will check for a bad bearing this evening after work and
let
> you know.
>
> Is the interaxle a difficult fix?
>
> thanks
> paul
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44c58a05$0$23772$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
> > underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing
> > there,
> > you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then
that
> > points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> OK,
> >> I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
> >> BUT
> >> if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns.......
so
> >> I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
> >>
> >> For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
> > (this
> >> is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part
> >> time
> >> first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit
of
> > a
> >> yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
> >>
> >> any more thoughts????
> >>
> >> thank YOU
> >> paul
> >>
> >>
> >> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1
> >> > at
> >> > differential).
> >> > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
> >> > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
> >> >
> >> > thanks
> >> > paul
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that
and
> >> >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >> >>
> >> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >>
> >> >> paul wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
> >> >>> very
> >> >>> small
> >> >>> metal fines near the drain plug.
> >> >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> >> >>> noticable,
> >> >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> >> >>> drive.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> thanks
> >> >>> paul
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>> > DOH!!!!
> >> >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
> >> >>> > front.
> >> >>> > Is
> >> >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
> > it?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > thanks again
> >> >>> > paul
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> >> >>> >> speed,
> >> >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> >> >>> >> replaced
> >> >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
> >> >>> >> bolt'
> >> >>> >> trick
> >> >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ -
in
> > the
> >> >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
> > and
> >> >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
> >> >>> >> animals,
> >> >>> >> or
> >> >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> >> >>> >> links).
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately
heard
> >> >>> >> a
> >> >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
> > joints
> >> >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40
mph
> > and
> >> >>> >> a
> >> >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral
does
> > not
> >> >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> >> >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
> > lever,
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
> > shift
> >> >>> >> lever.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> ??????????
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> thanks
> >> >>> >> paul
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

You would have to disassemble the entire transfer case. It depends on how
comfortable you are around planetary gear assemblies, shafts, bearings, and
chains. Some people can rip right into one of these things, tell you what
is wrong, and have a parts list ready in an hour, two on a slow day.

From what you have said, the growl originates inside the transfer case, and
most people would call this a "difficult fix". I haven't had this
particular model apart, but if it were mine I would probably be
ambitious/dumb enough to try fixing it myself.

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ndsxg.949$zg.119@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Earle, I will check for a bad bearing this evening after work and
let
> you know.
>
> Is the interaxle a difficult fix?
>
> thanks
> paul
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44c58a05$0$23772$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
> > underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing
> > there,
> > you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then
that
> > points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> OK,
> >> I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
> >> BUT
> >> if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns.......
so
> >> I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
> >>
> >> For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
> > (this
> >> is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part
> >> time
> >> first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit
of
> > a
> >> yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
> >>
> >> any more thoughts????
> >>
> >> thank YOU
> >> paul
> >>
> >>
> >> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1
> >> > at
> >> > differential).
> >> > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
> >> > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
> >> >
> >> > thanks
> >> > paul
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that
and
> >> >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >> >>
> >> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >>
> >> >> paul wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
> >> >>> very
> >> >>> small
> >> >>> metal fines near the drain plug.
> >> >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> >> >>> noticable,
> >> >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> >> >>> drive.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> thanks
> >> >>> paul
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>> > DOH!!!!
> >> >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
> >> >>> > front.
> >> >>> > Is
> >> >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
> > it?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > thanks again
> >> >>> > paul
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> >> >>> >> speed,
> >> >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> >> >>> >> replaced
> >> >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
> >> >>> >> bolt'
> >> >>> >> trick
> >> >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ -
in
> > the
> >> >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
> > and
> >> >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
> >> >>> >> animals,
> >> >>> >> or
> >> >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> >> >>> >> links).
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately
heard
> >> >>> >> a
> >> >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
> > joints
> >> >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40
mph
> > and
> >> >>> >> a
> >> >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral
does
> > not
> >> >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> >> >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
> > lever,
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
> > shift
> >> >>> >> lever.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> ??????????
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> thanks
> >> >>> >> paul
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

You would have to disassemble the entire transfer case. It depends on how
comfortable you are around planetary gear assemblies, shafts, bearings, and
chains. Some people can rip right into one of these things, tell you what
is wrong, and have a parts list ready in an hour, two on a slow day.

From what you have said, the growl originates inside the transfer case, and
most people would call this a "difficult fix". I haven't had this
particular model apart, but if it were mine I would probably be
ambitious/dumb enough to try fixing it myself.

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ndsxg.949$zg.119@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Earle, I will check for a bad bearing this evening after work and
let
> you know.
>
> Is the interaxle a difficult fix?
>
> thanks
> paul
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44c58a05$0$23772$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
> > underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing
> > there,
> > you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then
that
> > points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> OK,
> >> I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
> >> BUT
> >> if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns.......
so
> >> I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
> >>
> >> For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
> > (this
> >> is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part
> >> time
> >> first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit
of
> > a
> >> yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
> >>
> >> any more thoughts????
> >>
> >> thank YOU
> >> paul
> >>
> >>
> >> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1
> >> > at
> >> > differential).
> >> > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
> >> > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
> >> >
> >> > thanks
> >> > paul
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that
and
> >> >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >> >>
> >> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >>
> >> >> paul wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
> >> >>> very
> >> >>> small
> >> >>> metal fines near the drain plug.
> >> >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> >> >>> noticable,
> >> >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> >> >>> drive.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> thanks
> >> >>> paul
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>> > DOH!!!!
> >> >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
> >> >>> > front.
> >> >>> > Is
> >> >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
> > it?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > thanks again
> >> >>> > paul
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> >> >>> >> speed,
> >> >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> >> >>> >> replaced
> >> >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
> >> >>> >> bolt'
> >> >>> >> trick
> >> >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ -
in
> > the
> >> >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
> > and
> >> >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
> >> >>> >> animals,
> >> >>> >> or
> >> >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> >> >>> >> links).
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately
heard
> >> >>> >> a
> >> >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
> > joints
> >> >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40
mph
> > and
> >> >>> >> a
> >> >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral
does
> > not
> >> >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> >> >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
> > lever,
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
> > shift
> >> >>> >> lever.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> ??????????
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> thanks
> >> >>> >> paul
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

You would have to disassemble the entire transfer case. It depends on how
comfortable you are around planetary gear assemblies, shafts, bearings, and
chains. Some people can rip right into one of these things, tell you what
is wrong, and have a parts list ready in an hour, two on a slow day.

From what you have said, the growl originates inside the transfer case, and
most people would call this a "difficult fix". I haven't had this
particular model apart, but if it were mine I would probably be
ambitious/dumb enough to try fixing it myself.

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ndsxg.949$zg.119@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Earle, I will check for a bad bearing this evening after work and
let
> you know.
>
> Is the interaxle a difficult fix?
>
> thanks
> paul
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44c58a05$0$23772$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
> > underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing
> > there,
> > you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then
that
> > points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> OK,
> >> I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
> >> BUT
> >> if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns.......
so
> >> I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
> >>
> >> For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
> > (this
> >> is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part
> >> time
> >> first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit
of
> > a
> >> yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
> >>
> >> any more thoughts????
> >>
> >> thank YOU
> >> paul
> >>
> >>
> >> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1
> >> > at
> >> > differential).
> >> > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
> >> > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
> >> >
> >> > thanks
> >> > paul
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that
and
> >> >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >> >>
> >> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >>
> >> >> paul wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
> >> >>> very
> >> >>> small
> >> >>> metal fines near the drain plug.
> >> >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> >> >>> noticable,
> >> >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> >> >>> drive.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> thanks
> >> >>> paul
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>> > DOH!!!!
> >> >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
> >> >>> > front.
> >> >>> > Is
> >> >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
> > it?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > thanks again
> >> >>> > paul
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> >> >>> >> speed,
> >> >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> >> >>> >> replaced
> >> >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
> >> >>> >> bolt'
> >> >>> >> trick
> >> >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ -
in
> > the
> >> >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
> > and
> >> >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
> >> >>> >> animals,
> >> >>> >> or
> >> >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> >> >>> >> links).
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately
heard
> >> >>> >> a
> >> >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
> > joints
> >> >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40
mph
> > and
> >> >>> >> a
> >> >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral
does
> > not
> >> >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> >> >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
> > lever,
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
> > shift
> >> >>> >> lever.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> ??????????
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> thanks
> >> >>> >> paul
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

RoyJ

I just had my NP231 apart for a new chain and general cleanup. Not much
more than to it than take it apart, clean, and reassemble. The 242 is
very similar except for the addition of the differential assembly hung
on the shaft instead of the synchro assembly.

Earle Horton wrote:
> You would have to disassemble the entire transfer case. It depends on how
> comfortable you are around planetary gear assemblies, shafts, bearings, and
> chains. Some people can rip right into one of these things, tell you what
> is wrong, and have a parts list ready in an hour, two on a slow day.
>
> From what you have said, the growl originates inside the transfer case, and
> most people would call this a "difficult fix". I haven't had this
> particular model apart, but if it were mine I would probably be
> ambitious/dumb enough to try fixing it myself.
>
> Earle
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:ndsxg.949$zg.119@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
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>>Thanks Earle, I will check for a bad bearing this evening after work and
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> let
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>>you know.
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>>Is the interaxle a difficult fix?
>>
>>thanks
>>paul
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:44c58a05$0$23772$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews .com...
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>>>What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
>>>underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing
>>>there,
>>>you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then
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> that
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>>>points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>>>OK,
>>>>I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!!
>>>>BUT
>>>>if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns.......
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> so
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>>>>I'm thinking that something to do with the front output???
>>>>
>>>>For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time
>>>
>>>(this
>>>
>>>>is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part
>>>>time
>>>>first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit
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> of
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>>>a
>>>
>>>>yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD.
>>>>
>>>>any more thoughts????
>>>>
>>>>thank YOU
>>>>paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1
>>>>>at
>>>>>differential).
>>>>>I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
>>>>>The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
>>>>>
>>>>>thanks
>>>>>paul
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that
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> and
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>>>>>>try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>paul wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Double DOH and a YIKES!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
>>>>>>>very
>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>metal fines near the drain plug.
>>>>>>>Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
>>>>>>>noticable,
>>>>>>>growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
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> wheel
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>>>>>>>drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>thanks
>>>>>>>paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DOH!!!!
>>>>>>>>transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
>>>>>>>>front.
>>>>>>>>Is
>>>>>>>>there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
>>>
>>>it?
>>>
>>>>>>>>thanks again
>>>>>>>>paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
>>>>>>>>>speed,
>>>>>>>>>inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
>>>>>>>>>replaced
>>>>>>>>>them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
>>>>>>>>>bolt'
>>>>>>>>>trick
>>>>>>>>>and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ -
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> in
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>>>the
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>>>>>>>>>past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>>press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
>>>>>>>>>animals,
>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
>>>>>>>>>links).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately
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> heard
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>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
>>>
>>>joints
>>>
>>>>>>>>>showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40
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> mph
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>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral
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> does
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>>>not
>>>
>>>>>>>>>effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
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> noise.
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>>>>>>>>>Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
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>>>lever,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
>>>
>>>shift
>>>
>>>>>>>>>lever.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>??????????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>thanks
>>>>>>>>>paul
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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