help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
07-24-2006, 11:01 AM
#21
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Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Mike,
Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
starts to go bad.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
>
> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> paul wrote:
> >
> > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> >
> > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
small
> > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
noticable,
> > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
drive.
> >
> > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> >
> > thanks
> > paul
> >
> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > DOH!!!!
> > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
Is
> > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > >
> > > thanks again
> > > paul
> > >
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > >>
> > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
speed,
> > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
replaced
> > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
trick
> > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
or
> > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
links).
> > >>
> > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
a
> > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > >>
> > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
the
> > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > >> lever.
> > >>
> > >> ??????????
> > >>
> > >> thanks
> > >> paul
> > >>
> > >
> > >
Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
starts to go bad.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
>
> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> paul wrote:
> >
> > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> >
> > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
small
> > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
noticable,
> > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
drive.
> >
> > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> >
> > thanks
> > paul
> >
> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > DOH!!!!
> > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
Is
> > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > >
> > > thanks again
> > > paul
> > >
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > >>
> > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
speed,
> > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
replaced
> > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
trick
> > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
or
> > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
links).
> > >>
> > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
a
> > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > >>
> > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
the
> > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > >> lever.
> > >>
> > >> ??????????
> > >>
> > >> thanks
> > >> paul
> > >>
> > >
> > >
07-24-2006, 12:59 PM
#22
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Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
cage.
If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
vibration too.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
> joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
> starts to go bad.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >
> > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > paul wrote:
> > >
> > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > >
> > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
> small
> > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> noticable,
> > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
> drive.
> > >
> > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > paul
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
> Is
> > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > > >
> > > > thanks again
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > >>
> > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> speed,
> > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> replaced
> > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
> trick
> > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
> or
> > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> links).
> > > >>
> > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
> a
> > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > >>
> > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
> the
> > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > > >> lever.
> > > >>
> > > >> ??????????
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> paul
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
cage.
If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
vibration too.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
> joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
> starts to go bad.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >
> > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > paul wrote:
> > >
> > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > >
> > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
> small
> > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> noticable,
> > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
> drive.
> > >
> > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > paul
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
> Is
> > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > > >
> > > > thanks again
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > >>
> > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> speed,
> > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> replaced
> > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
> trick
> > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
> or
> > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> links).
> > > >>
> > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
> a
> > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > >>
> > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
> the
> > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > > >> lever.
> > > >>
> > > >> ??????????
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> paul
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
07-24-2006, 12:59 PM
#23
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
cage.
If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
vibration too.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
> joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
> starts to go bad.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >
> > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > paul wrote:
> > >
> > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > >
> > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
> small
> > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> noticable,
> > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
> drive.
> > >
> > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > paul
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
> Is
> > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > > >
> > > > thanks again
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > >>
> > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> speed,
> > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> replaced
> > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
> trick
> > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
> or
> > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> links).
> > > >>
> > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
> a
> > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > >>
> > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
> the
> > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > > >> lever.
> > > >>
> > > >> ??????????
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> paul
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
cage.
If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
vibration too.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
> joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
> starts to go bad.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >
> > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > paul wrote:
> > >
> > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > >
> > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
> small
> > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> noticable,
> > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
> drive.
> > >
> > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > paul
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
> Is
> > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > > >
> > > > thanks again
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > >>
> > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> speed,
> > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> replaced
> > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
> trick
> > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
> or
> > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> links).
> > > >>
> > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
> a
> > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > >>
> > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
> the
> > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > > >> lever.
> > > >>
> > > >> ??????????
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> paul
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
07-24-2006, 12:59 PM
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
cage.
If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
vibration too.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
> joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
> starts to go bad.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >
> > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > paul wrote:
> > >
> > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > >
> > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
> small
> > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> noticable,
> > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
> drive.
> > >
> > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > paul
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
> Is
> > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > > >
> > > > thanks again
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > >>
> > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> speed,
> > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> replaced
> > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
> trick
> > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
> or
> > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> links).
> > > >>
> > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
> a
> > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > >>
> > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
> the
> > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > > >> lever.
> > > >>
> > > >> ??????????
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> paul
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
cage.
If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
vibration too.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
> joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
> starts to go bad.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >
> > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > paul wrote:
> > >
> > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > >
> > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
> small
> > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> noticable,
> > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
> drive.
> > >
> > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > paul
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
> Is
> > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > > >
> > > > thanks again
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > >>
> > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> speed,
> > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> replaced
> > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
> trick
> > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
> or
> > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> links).
> > > >>
> > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
> a
> > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > >>
> > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
> the
> > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > > >> lever.
> > > >>
> > > >> ??????????
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> paul
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
07-24-2006, 12:59 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
cage.
If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
vibration too.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
> joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
> starts to go bad.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >
> > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > paul wrote:
> > >
> > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > >
> > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
> small
> > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> noticable,
> > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
> drive.
> > >
> > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > paul
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
> Is
> > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > > >
> > > > thanks again
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > >>
> > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> speed,
> > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> replaced
> > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
> trick
> > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
> or
> > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> links).
> > > >>
> > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
> a
> > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > >>
> > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
> the
> > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > > >> lever.
> > > >>
> > > >> ??????????
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> paul
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
cage.
If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
vibration too.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV
> joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it
> starts to go bad.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> >
> > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > paul wrote:
> > >
> > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > >
> > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
> small
> > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> noticable,
> > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
> drive.
> > >
> > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > paul
> > >
> > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front.
> Is
> > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> > > >
> > > > thanks again
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > >>
> > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> speed,
> > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> replaced
> > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
> trick
> > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals,
> or
> > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> links).
> > > >>
> > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
> a
> > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > >>
> > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
> the
> > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> > > >> lever.
> > > >>
> > > >> ??????????
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> paul
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
07-24-2006, 02:37 PM
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Some of them have a centering device inside the cage.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
> cage.
>
> If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
> vibration too.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint?
The CV
> > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when
it
> > starts to go bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> > >
> > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > paul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > > >
> > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
very
> > small
> > > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> > noticable,
> > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> > drive.
> > > >
> > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
front.
> > Is
> > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
it?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again
> > > > > paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> > speed,
> > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> > replaced
> > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
bolt'
> > trick
> > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
the
> > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
and
> > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
animals,
> > or
> > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> > links).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
a
> > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
joints
> > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
and
> > a
> > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
not
> > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
lever,
> > the
> > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
shift
> > > > >> lever.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ??????????
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks
> > > > >> paul
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
> cage.
>
> If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
> vibration too.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint?
The CV
> > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when
it
> > starts to go bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> > >
> > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > paul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > > >
> > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
very
> > small
> > > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> > noticable,
> > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> > drive.
> > > >
> > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
front.
> > Is
> > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
it?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again
> > > > > paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> > speed,
> > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> > replaced
> > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
bolt'
> > trick
> > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
the
> > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
and
> > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
animals,
> > or
> > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> > links).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
a
> > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
joints
> > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
and
> > a
> > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
not
> > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
lever,
> > the
> > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
shift
> > > > >> lever.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ??????????
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks
> > > > >> paul
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
07-24-2006, 02:37 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Some of them have a centering device inside the cage.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
> cage.
>
> If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
> vibration too.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint?
The CV
> > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when
it
> > starts to go bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> > >
> > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > paul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > > >
> > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
very
> > small
> > > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> > noticable,
> > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> > drive.
> > > >
> > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
front.
> > Is
> > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
it?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again
> > > > > paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> > speed,
> > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> > replaced
> > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
bolt'
> > trick
> > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
the
> > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
and
> > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
animals,
> > or
> > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> > links).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
a
> > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
joints
> > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
and
> > a
> > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
not
> > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
lever,
> > the
> > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
shift
> > > > >> lever.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ??????????
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks
> > > > >> paul
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
> cage.
>
> If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
> vibration too.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint?
The CV
> > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when
it
> > starts to go bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> > >
> > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > paul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > > >
> > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
very
> > small
> > > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> > noticable,
> > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> > drive.
> > > >
> > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
front.
> > Is
> > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
it?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again
> > > > > paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> > speed,
> > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> > replaced
> > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
bolt'
> > trick
> > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
the
> > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
and
> > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
animals,
> > or
> > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> > links).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
a
> > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
joints
> > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
and
> > a
> > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
not
> > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
lever,
> > the
> > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
shift
> > > > >> lever.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ??????????
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks
> > > > >> paul
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
07-24-2006, 02:37 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Some of them have a centering device inside the cage.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
> cage.
>
> If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
> vibration too.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint?
The CV
> > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when
it
> > starts to go bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> > >
> > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > paul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > > >
> > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
very
> > small
> > > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> > noticable,
> > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> > drive.
> > > >
> > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
front.
> > Is
> > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
it?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again
> > > > > paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> > speed,
> > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> > replaced
> > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
bolt'
> > trick
> > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
the
> > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
and
> > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
animals,
> > or
> > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> > links).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
a
> > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
joints
> > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
and
> > a
> > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
not
> > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
lever,
> > the
> > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
shift
> > > > >> lever.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ??????????
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks
> > > > >> paul
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
> cage.
>
> If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
> vibration too.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint?
The CV
> > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when
it
> > starts to go bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> > >
> > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > paul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > > >
> > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
very
> > small
> > > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> > noticable,
> > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> > drive.
> > > >
> > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
front.
> > Is
> > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
it?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again
> > > > > paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> > speed,
> > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> > replaced
> > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
bolt'
> > trick
> > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
the
> > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
and
> > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
animals,
> > or
> > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> > links).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
a
> > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
joints
> > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
and
> > a
> > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
not
> > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
lever,
> > the
> > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
shift
> > > > >> lever.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ??????????
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks
> > > > >> paul
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
07-24-2006, 02:37 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Some of them have a centering device inside the cage.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
> cage.
>
> If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
> vibration too.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint?
The CV
> > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when
it
> > starts to go bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> > >
> > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > paul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > > >
> > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
very
> > small
> > > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> > noticable,
> > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> > drive.
> > > >
> > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
front.
> > Is
> > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
it?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again
> > > > > paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> > speed,
> > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> > replaced
> > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
bolt'
> > trick
> > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
the
> > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
and
> > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
animals,
> > or
> > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> > links).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
a
> > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
joints
> > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
and
> > a
> > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
not
> > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
lever,
> > the
> > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
shift
> > > > >> lever.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ??????????
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks
> > > > >> paul
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
> cage.
>
> If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from
> vibration too.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint?
The CV
> > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when
it
> > starts to go bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
> > >
> > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > paul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Double DOH and a YIKES!
> > > >
> > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some
very
> > small
> > > > metal fines near the drain plug.
> > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
> > noticable,
> > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4
wheel
> > drive.
> > > >
> > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > DOH!!!!
> > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards
front.
> > Is
> > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is
it?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again
> > > > > paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
> > speed,
> > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad.....
> > replaced
> > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial
bolt'
> > trick
> > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in
the
> > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket
and
> > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm
animals,
> > or
> > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
> > links).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard
a
> > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft
joints
> > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph
and
> > a
> > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does
not
> > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the
noise.
> > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift
lever,
> > the
> > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the
shift
> > > > >> lever.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ??????????
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks
> > > > >> paul
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
07-24-2006, 06:42 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at
differential).
I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
thanks
paul
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
>
> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> paul wrote:
>>
>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
>>
>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
>> small
>> metal fines near the drain plug.
>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
>> noticable,
>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
>> drive.
>>
>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
>>
>> thanks
>> paul
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > DOH!!!!
>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
>> >
>> > thanks again
>> > paul
>> >
>> >
>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>> >>
>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
>> >> speed,
>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
>> >> trick
>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or
>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
>> >> links).
>> >>
>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
>> >> a
>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>> >>
>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
>> >> the
>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
>> >> lever.
>> >>
>> >> ??????????
>> >>
>> >> thanks
>> >> paul
>> >>
>> >
>> >
differential).
I will try disconnecting it and see what happens.
The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers.
thanks
paul
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca...
> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and
> try driving it before I messed with the t-case.
>
> Metal filings aren't a good sign though....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> paul wrote:
>>
>> Double DOH and a YIKES!
>>
>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
>> small
>> metal fines near the drain plug.
>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
>> noticable,
>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
>> drive.
>>
>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
>>
>> thanks
>> paul
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > DOH!!!!
>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
>> >
>> > thanks again
>> > paul
>> >
>> >
>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>> >>
>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher
>> >> speed,
>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
>> >> trick
>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or
>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
>> >> links).
>> >>
>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and
>> >> a
>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>> >>
>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
>> >> the
>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
>> >> lever.
>> >>
>> >> ??????????
>> >>
>> >> thanks
>> >> paul
>> >>
>> >
>> >