help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission

Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced them
this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick and
Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the past I
managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and press socket
trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or his grammatical
skills - he replies frequently and provides good links).

Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a clicking
noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints showed no slop
when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a growl is heard from
transmission area, shifting into neutral does not effect the noise, shifting
into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. Transmission fluid level is good and
no discoloration.

In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the
sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift lever.

??????????

thanks
paul

Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

DOH!!!!
transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?

thanks again
paul


"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>
> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick
> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the past
> I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and press
> socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or his
> grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good links).
>
> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a
> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>
> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the
> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> lever.
>
> ??????????
>
> thanks
> paul
>

Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

DOH!!!!
transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?

thanks again
paul


"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>
> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick
> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the past
> I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and press
> socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or his
> grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good links).
>
> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a
> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>
> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the
> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> lever.
>
> ??????????
>
> thanks
> paul
>

Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

DOH!!!!
transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?

thanks again
paul


"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>
> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick
> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the past
> I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and press
> socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or his
> grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good links).
>
> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a
> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>
> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the
> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> lever.
>
> ??????????
>
> thanks
> paul
>

Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

DOH!!!!
transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?

thanks again
paul


"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>
> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick
> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the past
> I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and press
> socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or his
> grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good links).
>
> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a
> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>
> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the
> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> lever.
>
> ??????????
>
> thanks
> paul
>

Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

Double DOH and a YIKES!

Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very small
metal fines near the drain plug.
Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still noticable,
growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel drive.

This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?

thanks
paul

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> DOH!!!!
> transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
> there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
>
> thanks again
> paul
>
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>>
>> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
>> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
>> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick
>> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
>> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
>> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or
>> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good links).
>>
>> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
>> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
>> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a
>> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
>> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>>
>> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the
>> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
>> lever.
>>
>> ??????????
>>
>> thanks
>> paul
>>
>
>

Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

Double DOH and a YIKES!

Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very small
metal fines near the drain plug.
Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still noticable,
growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel drive.

This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?

thanks
paul

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> DOH!!!!
> transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
> there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
>
> thanks again
> paul
>
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>>
>> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
>> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
>> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick
>> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
>> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
>> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or
>> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good links).
>>
>> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
>> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
>> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a
>> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
>> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>>
>> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the
>> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
>> lever.
>>
>> ??????????
>>
>> thanks
>> paul
>>
>
>

Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

Double DOH and a YIKES!

Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very small
metal fines near the drain plug.
Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still noticable,
growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel drive.

This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?

thanks
paul

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> DOH!!!!
> transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
> there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
>
> thanks again
> paul
>
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>>
>> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
>> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
>> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick
>> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
>> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
>> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or
>> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good links).
>>
>> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
>> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
>> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a
>> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
>> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>>
>> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the
>> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
>> lever.
>>
>> ??????????
>>
>> thanks
>> paul
>>
>
>

Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

Double DOH and a YIKES!

Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very small
metal fines near the drain plug.
Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still noticable,
growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel drive.

This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?

thanks
paul

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> DOH!!!!
> transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
> there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
>
> thanks again
> paul
>
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
>>
>> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
>> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
>> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick
>> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
>> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
>> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or
>> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good links).
>>
>> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
>> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
>> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a
>> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
>> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
>> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
>>
>> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the
>> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
>> lever.
>>
>> ??????????
>>
>> thanks
>> paul
>>
>
>

Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
 

Take the transfer case apart and see what is wrong with it. "Apparent leak
towards front" could be front output shaft or less likely input shaft.
Input shaft is inside the housing bolted to the transmission, and less
likely to leak, but you should try to find the exact source before removing
the transfer case. I don't know the exact capacity of the Selec-Trac case,
but Command-Trac is only one to one point five quarts, depending on model.
That means that you "probably" didn't damage the transfer case with low
fluid.

I imagine that there is gear or differential damage or at least something
expensive, but if you stop driving it immediately you may prevent the case
from grenading.

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Double DOH and a YIKES!
>
> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very
small
> metal fines near the drain plug.
> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still
noticable,
> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel
drive.
>
> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas?
>
> thanks
> paul
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > DOH!!!!
> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is
> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it?
> >
> > thanks again
> > paul
> >
> >
> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission
> >>
> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed,
> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced
> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt'
trick
> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the
> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and
> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or
> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good
links).
> >>
> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a
> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints
> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a
> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not
> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise.
> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration.
> >>
> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever,
the
> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift
> >> lever.
> >>
> >> ??????????
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> paul
> >>
> >
> >
>
>