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Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at
differential). I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. thanks paul "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > paul wrote: >> >> Double DOH and a YIKES! >> >> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very >> small >> metal fines near the drain plug. >> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still >> noticable, >> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel >> drive. >> >> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? >> >> thanks >> paul >> >> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> > DOH!!!! >> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is >> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? >> > >> > thanks again >> > paul >> > >> > >> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission >> >> >> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher >> >> speed, >> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced >> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' >> >> trick >> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the >> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and >> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or >> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good >> >> links). >> >> >> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a >> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints >> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and >> >> a >> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not >> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. >> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. >> >> >> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, >> >> the >> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift >> >> lever. >> >> >> >> ?????????? >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> paul >> >> >> > >> > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at
differential). I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. thanks paul "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > paul wrote: >> >> Double DOH and a YIKES! >> >> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very >> small >> metal fines near the drain plug. >> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still >> noticable, >> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel >> drive. >> >> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? >> >> thanks >> paul >> >> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> > DOH!!!! >> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is >> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? >> > >> > thanks again >> > paul >> > >> > >> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission >> >> >> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher >> >> speed, >> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced >> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' >> >> trick >> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the >> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and >> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or >> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good >> >> links). >> >> >> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a >> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints >> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and >> >> a >> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not >> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. >> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. >> >> >> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, >> >> the >> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift >> >> lever. >> >> >> >> ?????????? >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> paul >> >> >> > >> > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at
differential). I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. thanks paul "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > paul wrote: >> >> Double DOH and a YIKES! >> >> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very >> small >> metal fines near the drain plug. >> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still >> noticable, >> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel >> drive. >> >> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? >> >> thanks >> paul >> >> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> > DOH!!!! >> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is >> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? >> > >> > thanks again >> > paul >> > >> > >> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission >> >> >> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher >> >> speed, >> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced >> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' >> >> trick >> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the >> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and >> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or >> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good >> >> links). >> >> >> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a >> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints >> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and >> >> a >> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not >> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. >> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. >> >> >> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, >> >> the >> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift >> >> lever. >> >> >> >> ?????????? >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> paul >> >> >> > >> > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
OK,
I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!! BUT if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so I'm thinking that something to do with the front output??? For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time (this is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part time first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of a yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD. any more thoughts???? thank YOU paul "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at > differential). > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. > > thanks > paul > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case. >> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> paul wrote: >>> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES! >>> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very >>> small >>> metal fines near the drain plug. >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still >>> noticable, >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel >>> drive. >>> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? >>> >>> thanks >>> paul >>> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> > DOH!!!! >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. >>> > Is >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? >>> > >>> > thanks again >>> > paul >>> > >>> > >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission >>> >> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher >>> >> speed, >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... >>> >> replaced >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' >>> >> trick >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, >>> >> or >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good >>> >> links). >>> >> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and >>> >> a >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. >>> >> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, >>> >> the >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift >>> >> lever. >>> >> >>> >> ?????????? >>> >> >>> >> thanks >>> >> paul >>> >> >>> > >>> > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
OK,
I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!! BUT if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so I'm thinking that something to do with the front output??? For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time (this is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part time first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of a yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD. any more thoughts???? thank YOU paul "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at > differential). > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. > > thanks > paul > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case. >> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> paul wrote: >>> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES! >>> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very >>> small >>> metal fines near the drain plug. >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still >>> noticable, >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel >>> drive. >>> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? >>> >>> thanks >>> paul >>> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> > DOH!!!! >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. >>> > Is >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? >>> > >>> > thanks again >>> > paul >>> > >>> > >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission >>> >> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher >>> >> speed, >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... >>> >> replaced >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' >>> >> trick >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, >>> >> or >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good >>> >> links). >>> >> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and >>> >> a >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. >>> >> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, >>> >> the >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift >>> >> lever. >>> >> >>> >> ?????????? >>> >> >>> >> thanks >>> >> paul >>> >> >>> > >>> > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
OK,
I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!! BUT if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so I'm thinking that something to do with the front output??? For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time (this is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part time first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of a yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD. any more thoughts???? thank YOU paul "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at > differential). > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. > > thanks > paul > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case. >> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> paul wrote: >>> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES! >>> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very >>> small >>> metal fines near the drain plug. >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still >>> noticable, >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel >>> drive. >>> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? >>> >>> thanks >>> paul >>> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> > DOH!!!! >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. >>> > Is >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? >>> > >>> > thanks again >>> > paul >>> > >>> > >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission >>> >> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher >>> >> speed, >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... >>> >> replaced >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' >>> >> trick >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, >>> >> or >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good >>> >> links). >>> >> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and >>> >> a >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. >>> >> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, >>> >> the >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift >>> >> lever. >>> >> >>> >> ?????????? >>> >> >>> >> thanks >>> >> paul >>> >> >>> > >>> > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
OK,
I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!! BUT if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so I'm thinking that something to do with the front output??? For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time (this is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part time first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of a yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD. any more thoughts???? thank YOU paul "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at > differential). > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. > > thanks > paul > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case. >> >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> paul wrote: >>> >>> Double DOH and a YIKES! >>> >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very >>> small >>> metal fines near the drain plug. >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still >>> noticable, >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel >>> drive. >>> >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? >>> >>> thanks >>> paul >>> >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> > DOH!!!! >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. >>> > Is >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? >>> > >>> > thanks again >>> > paul >>> > >>> > >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission >>> >> >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher >>> >> speed, >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... >>> >> replaced >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' >>> >> trick >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, >>> >> or >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good >>> >> links). >>> >> >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and >>> >> a >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. >>> >> >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, >>> >> the >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift >>> >> lever. >>> >> >>> >> ?????????? >>> >> >>> >> thanks >>> >> paul >>> >> >>> > >>> > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing there, you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then that points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case. Earle "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > OK, > I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!! > BUT > if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so > I'm thinking that something to do with the front output??? > > For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time (this > is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part time > first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of a > yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD. > > any more thoughts???? > > thank YOU > paul > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at > > differential). > > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. > > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. > > > > thanks > > paul > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > >> > >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > >> > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> > >> paul wrote: > >>> > >>> Double DOH and a YIKES! > >>> > >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > >>> small > >>> metal fines near the drain plug. > >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > >>> noticable, > >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > >>> drive. > >>> > >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > >>> > >>> thanks > >>> paul > >>> > >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >>> > DOH!!!! > >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > >>> > Is > >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > >>> > > >>> > thanks again > >>> > paul > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > >>> >> > >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > >>> >> speed, > >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > >>> >> replaced > >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > >>> >> trick > >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > >>> >> or > >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > >>> >> links). > >>> >> > >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > >>> >> a > >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > >>> >> > >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > >>> >> the > >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > >>> >> lever. > >>> >> > >>> >> ?????????? > >>> >> > >>> >> thanks > >>> >> paul > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing there, you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then that points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case. Earle "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > OK, > I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!! > BUT > if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so > I'm thinking that something to do with the front output??? > > For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time (this > is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part time > first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of a > yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD. > > any more thoughts???? > > thank YOU > paul > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at > > differential). > > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. > > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. > > > > thanks > > paul > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > >> > >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > >> > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> > >> paul wrote: > >>> > >>> Double DOH and a YIKES! > >>> > >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > >>> small > >>> metal fines near the drain plug. > >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > >>> noticable, > >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > >>> drive. > >>> > >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > >>> > >>> thanks > >>> paul > >>> > >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >>> > DOH!!!! > >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > >>> > Is > >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > >>> > > >>> > thanks again > >>> > paul > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > >>> >> > >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > >>> >> speed, > >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > >>> >> replaced > >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > >>> >> trick > >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > >>> >> or > >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > >>> >> links). > >>> >> > >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > >>> >> a > >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > >>> >> > >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > >>> >> the > >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > >>> >> lever. > >>> >> > >>> >> ?????????? > >>> >> > >>> >> thanks > >>> >> paul > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
What happens when you manually turn the front output shaft or yoke, from
underneath the vehicle, with the TC in 2H? If you have a bad bearing there, you should be able to feel it. There may be play too. If not, then that points to your interaxle differential, internal to the transfer case. Earle "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:O_exg.916$zg.615@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > OK, > I removed the front drive shaft and the sounds was gone!!!! > BUT > if I put the transfer case into 4 wheel drive the sound returns....... so > I'm thinking that something to do with the front output??? > > For what it's worth, last winter when shifting into 4 wheel full time (this > is a Select-Trac NP242J) the shifting sequence goes thru 4 wheel part time > first and sometimes would want to 'hang' in part time, requiring a bit of a > yanking motion to engage full time 4 WD. > > any more thoughts???? > > thank YOU > paul > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > news:61cxg.896$zg.578@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at > > differential). > > I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. > > The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. > > > > thanks > > paul > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > >> You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > >> try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > >> > >> Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > >> > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> > >> paul wrote: > >>> > >>> Double DOH and a YIKES! > >>> > >>> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > >>> small > >>> metal fines near the drain plug. > >>> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > >>> noticable, > >>> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > >>> drive. > >>> > >>> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > >>> > >>> thanks > >>> paul > >>> > >>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >>> > DOH!!!! > >>> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > >>> > Is > >>> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > >>> > > >>> > thanks again > >>> > paul > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >>> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > >>> >> > >>> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > >>> >> speed, > >>> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > >>> >> replaced > >>> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > >>> >> trick > >>> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > >>> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > >>> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > >>> >> or > >>> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > >>> >> links). > >>> >> > >>> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > >>> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > >>> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > >>> >> a > >>> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > >>> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > >>> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > >>> >> > >>> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > >>> >> the > >>> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > >>> >> lever. > >>> >> > >>> >> ?????????? > >>> >> > >>> >> thanks > >>> >> paul > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > |
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