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Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Mike,
Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it starts to go bad. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > paul wrote: > > > > Double DOH and a YIKES! > > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very small > > metal fines near the drain plug. > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still noticable, > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel drive. > > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > > > > thanks > > paul > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > DOH!!!! > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > > > > > > thanks again > > > paul > > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > > >> > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher speed, > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' trick > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good links). > > >> > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and a > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > > >> > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, the > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > > >> lever. > > >> > > >> ?????????? > > >> > > >> thanks > > >> paul > > >> > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
cage. If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from vibration too. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > Mike, > > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it > starts to go bad. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > paul wrote: > > > > > > Double DOH and a YIKES! > > > > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > small > > > metal fines near the drain plug. > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > noticable, > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > drive. > > > > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > > > > > > thanks > > > paul > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > DOH!!!! > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > Is > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > > > > > > > > thanks again > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > > > >> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > speed, > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > replaced > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > trick > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > or > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > links). > > > >> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > a > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > > > >> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > the > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > > > >> lever. > > > >> > > > >> ?????????? > > > >> > > > >> thanks > > > >> paul > > > >> > > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
cage. If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from vibration too. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > Mike, > > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it > starts to go bad. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > paul wrote: > > > > > > Double DOH and a YIKES! > > > > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > small > > > metal fines near the drain plug. > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > noticable, > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > drive. > > > > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > > > > > > thanks > > > paul > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > DOH!!!! > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > Is > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > > > > > > > > thanks again > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > > > >> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > speed, > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > replaced > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > trick > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > or > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > links). > > > >> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > a > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > > > >> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > the > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > > > >> lever. > > > >> > > > >> ?????????? > > > >> > > > >> thanks > > > >> paul > > > >> > > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
cage. If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from vibration too. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > Mike, > > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it > starts to go bad. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > paul wrote: > > > > > > Double DOH and a YIKES! > > > > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > small > > > metal fines near the drain plug. > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > noticable, > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > drive. > > > > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > > > > > > thanks > > > paul > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > DOH!!!! > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > Is > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > > > > > > > > thanks again > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > > > >> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > speed, > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > replaced > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > trick > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > or > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > links). > > > >> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > a > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > > > >> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > the > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > > > >> lever. > > > >> > > > >> ?????????? > > > >> > > > >> thanks > > > >> paul > > > >> > > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a
cage. If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from vibration too. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > Mike, > > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it > starts to go bad. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > paul wrote: > > > > > > Double DOH and a YIKES! > > > > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > small > > > metal fines near the drain plug. > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > noticable, > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > drive. > > > > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > > > > > > thanks > > > paul > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > DOH!!!! > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > Is > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > > > > > > > > thanks again > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > > > >> > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > speed, > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > replaced > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > trick > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > or > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > links). > > > >> > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > a > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > > > >> > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > the > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > > > >> lever. > > > >> > > > >> ?????????? > > > >> > > > >> thanks > > > >> paul > > > >> > > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Some of them have a centering device inside the cage.
Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca... > Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a > cage. > > If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from > vibration too. > > Mike > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV > > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it > > starts to go bad. > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > > > > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > paul wrote: > > > > > > > > Double DOH and a YIKES! > > > > > > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > > small > > > > metal fines near the drain plug. > > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > > noticable, > > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > > drive. > > > > > > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > paul > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > > DOH!!!! > > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > > Is > > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > > > > > > > > > > thanks again > > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > > > > >> > > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > > speed, > > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > > replaced > > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > > trick > > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > > or > > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > > links). > > > > >> > > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > > a > > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > > > > >> > > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > > the > > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > > > > >> lever. > > > > >> > > > > >> ?????????? > > > > >> > > > > >> thanks > > > > >> paul > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Some of them have a centering device inside the cage.
Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca... > Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a > cage. > > If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from > vibration too. > > Mike > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV > > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it > > starts to go bad. > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > > > > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > paul wrote: > > > > > > > > Double DOH and a YIKES! > > > > > > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > > small > > > > metal fines near the drain plug. > > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > > noticable, > > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > > drive. > > > > > > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > paul > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > > DOH!!!! > > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > > Is > > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > > > > > > > > > > thanks again > > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > > > > >> > > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > > speed, > > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > > replaced > > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > > trick > > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > > or > > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > > links). > > > > >> > > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > > a > > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > > > > >> > > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > > the > > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > > > > >> lever. > > > > >> > > > > >> ?????????? > > > > >> > > > > >> thanks > > > > >> paul > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Some of them have a centering device inside the cage.
Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca... > Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a > cage. > > If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from > vibration too. > > Mike > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV > > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it > > starts to go bad. > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > > > > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > paul wrote: > > > > > > > > Double DOH and a YIKES! > > > > > > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > > small > > > > metal fines near the drain plug. > > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > > noticable, > > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > > drive. > > > > > > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > paul > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > > DOH!!!! > > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > > Is > > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > > > > > > > > > > thanks again > > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > > > > >> > > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > > speed, > > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > > replaced > > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > > trick > > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > > or > > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > > links). > > > > >> > > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > > a > > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > > > > >> > > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > > the > > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > > > > >> lever. > > > > >> > > > > >> ?????????? > > > > >> > > > > >> thanks > > > > >> paul > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Some of them have a centering device inside the cage.
Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44C4FC6E.A06979D9@sympatico.ca... > Isn't it just a double cardan joint? That would be 2 U-joints in a > cage. > > If the front u-joint(s) are bad, they can wreck the TC yoke seal from > vibration too. > > Mike > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Does he have three u-joints, or a CV joint and a single cross joint? The CV > > joints have a centering gizmo that can make clicks and maybe growls when it > > starts to go bad. > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > > > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > > > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > > > > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > paul wrote: > > > > > > > > Double DOH and a YIKES! > > > > > > > > Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very > > small > > > > metal fines near the drain plug. > > > > Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still > > noticable, > > > > growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel > > drive. > > > > > > > > This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > paul > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > > DOH!!!! > > > > > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. > > Is > > > > > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? > > > > > > > > > > thanks again > > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission > > > > >> > > > > >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher > > speed, > > > > >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... > > replaced > > > > >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' > > trick > > > > >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the > > > > >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and > > > > >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, > > or > > > > >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good > > links). > > > > >> > > > > >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a > > > > >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints > > > > >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and > > a > > > > >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not > > > > >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. > > > > >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. > > > > >> > > > > >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, > > the > > > > >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift > > > > >> lever. > > > > >> > > > > >> ?????????? > > > > >> > > > > >> thanks > > > > >> paul > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: help! 95 XJ - growl at 40+ mph
Yes 3 u-joints on the front drive shaft (2 at transfer case end and 1 at
differential). I will try disconnecting it and see what happens. The filings are very small -- sliver like....... crossing fingers. thanks paul "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44C4C5F5.A18C86B@sympatico.ca... > You have 3 u-joints on the front driveshaft. I would remove that and > try driving it before I messed with the t-case. > > Metal filings aren't a good sign though.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > paul wrote: >> >> Double DOH and a YIKES! >> >> Drained remaining fluid (less than a quart came out) noticed some very >> small >> metal fines near the drain plug. >> Added fluid and went for a test drive -- low speed click is still >> noticable, >> growl is worse and vehicle is jerking when put into full time 4 wheel >> drive. >> >> This is sounding serious (translate $$$$) any ideas? >> >> thanks >> paul >> >> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:NIQwg.4$zg.1@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> > DOH!!!! >> > transfer case was VERY low on fluid,,,, apparent leak towards front. Is >> > there a seal that needs to be replaced? How difficult of a job is it? >> > >> > thanks again >> > paul >> > >> > >> > "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >> > news:BqQwg.3$zg.0@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> >> Wife's 95 XJ - I6, automatic transmission >> >> >> >> Previously there was a clicking at low speed and growl at higher >> >> speed, >> >> inspection showed that both front axle U-joints were bad..... replaced >> >> them this weekend (big thanks to Mike R. for the 'sacrificial bolt' >> >> trick >> >> and Bill ------ for http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/axle/ujoint/ - in the >> >> past I managed to break 2 vises trying to do the receiver socket and >> >> press socket trick - I don't care what Bill does with farm animals, or >> >> his grammatical skills - he replies frequently and provides good >> >> links). >> >> >> >> Went for a test drive after changing u-joints - immediately heard a >> >> clicking noise (similar to a bad u-joint sound) - drive shaft joints >> >> showed no slop when shafts are rocked back and forth. Over 40 mph and >> >> a >> >> growl is heard from transmission area, shifting into neutral does not >> >> effect the noise, shifting into 4 wheel drive increases the noise. >> >> Transmission fluid level is good and no discoloration. >> >> >> >> In 2 wheel drive if pressure is put on the transfer case shift lever, >> >> the >> >> sound varies slightly - small vibration can be felt through the shift >> >> lever. >> >> >> >> ?????????? >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> paul >> >> >> > >> > |
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