Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

Will Honea did pass the time by typing:

> On the XJ/MJ I was able to swap it out from the top. I used a $8-10
> universal puller from Harbor Freight but it's tight enough on those
> models that you're probably going to loose a little skin of your
> knuckles as they get friendly with the radiator when you work with the
> puller.

just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
just fit.

> One big problem: you will probably need some sort of a bar to
> bolt onto the damper so that you can jam that against the frame while
> you loosen/torque the bolt that holds it onto the crank. I couldn't
> get the thing to hold well enough with the transmission in gear to
> break it free.

Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed thread?
Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]

> One of my manuals says you can jam a screw drive or
> pry bar against 2 bolts in the puller holes - on the three I remember
> doing, that just twisted the bolts up and was totally a waste of time.

Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.

--
DougW
Jeep 1, Wallet 0

Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

Will Honea did pass the time by typing:

> On the XJ/MJ I was able to swap it out from the top. I used a $8-10
> universal puller from Harbor Freight but it's tight enough on those
> models that you're probably going to loose a little skin of your
> knuckles as they get friendly with the radiator when you work with the
> puller.

just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
just fit.

> One big problem: you will probably need some sort of a bar to
> bolt onto the damper so that you can jam that against the frame while
> you loosen/torque the bolt that holds it onto the crank. I couldn't
> get the thing to hold well enough with the transmission in gear to
> break it free.

Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed thread?
Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]

> One of my manuals says you can jam a screw drive or
> pry bar against 2 bolts in the puller holes - on the three I remember
> doing, that just twisted the bolts up and was totally a waste of time.

Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.

--
DougW
Jeep 1, Wallet 0

Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

Will Honea did pass the time by typing:

> On the XJ/MJ I was able to swap it out from the top. I used a $8-10
> universal puller from Harbor Freight but it's tight enough on those
> models that you're probably going to loose a little skin of your
> knuckles as they get friendly with the radiator when you work with the
> puller.

just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
just fit.

> One big problem: you will probably need some sort of a bar to
> bolt onto the damper so that you can jam that against the frame while
> you loosen/torque the bolt that holds it onto the crank. I couldn't
> get the thing to hold well enough with the transmission in gear to
> break it free.

Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed thread?
Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]

> One of my manuals says you can jam a screw drive or
> pry bar against 2 bolts in the puller holes - on the three I remember
> doing, that just twisted the bolts up and was totally a waste of time.

Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.

--
DougW
Jeep 1, Wallet 0

Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

Hi Doug,
Might test it, by just removing it's bolt and give a couple tap
with a malt or even a hammer seeing you're not trying to save it. Ninety
percent of the ones I've pulled, pulling the puller out of the drawer
was just a waste of time.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
> the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
> the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
> squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
> Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
> just fit.
>
> Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
> My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
> loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed thread?
> Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]
>
> Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
> out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
> if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
> expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.
>
> --
> DougW
> Jeep 1, Wallet 0

Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

Hi Doug,
Might test it, by just removing it's bolt and give a couple tap
with a malt or even a hammer seeing you're not trying to save it. Ninety
percent of the ones I've pulled, pulling the puller out of the drawer
was just a waste of time.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
> the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
> the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
> squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
> Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
> just fit.
>
> Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
> My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
> loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed thread?
> Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]
>
> Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
> out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
> if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
> expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.
>
> --
> DougW
> Jeep 1, Wallet 0

Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

Hi Doug,
Might test it, by just removing it's bolt and give a couple tap
with a malt or even a hammer seeing you're not trying to save it. Ninety
percent of the ones I've pulled, pulling the puller out of the drawer
was just a waste of time.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
> the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
> the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
> squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
> Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
> just fit.
>
> Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
> My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
> loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed thread?
> Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]
>
> Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
> out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
> if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
> expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.
>
> --
> DougW
> Jeep 1, Wallet 0

Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

Hey Doug,

FWIW mine came off rather easy but that is probably because the engine was
out of the XJ. Had I been tight for space working in a snowstorm you can bet
your ass it would have been seized on.

I'm not so sure I'd sweat that HB right now - I've seen a lot worse! You've
discovered wear, keep an eye on it - you may not need to change until your
convenience... like when you have to do a water pump, rad, t-chain etc.
-Brian

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:404A8028.45413CEC@cox.net...
: Hi Doug,
: Might test it, by just removing it's bolt and give a couple tap
: with a malt or even a hammer seeing you're not trying to save it. Ninety
: percent of the ones I've pulled, pulling the puller out of the drawer
: was just a waste of time.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: DougW wrote:
: >
: > just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
: > the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
: > the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
: > squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
: > Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
: > just fit.
: >
: > Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
: > My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
: > loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed
thread?
: > Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]
: >
: > Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
: > out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
: > if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
: > expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.
: >
: > --
: > DougW
: > Jeep 1, Wallet 0

Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

Hey Doug,

FWIW mine came off rather easy but that is probably because the engine was
out of the XJ. Had I been tight for space working in a snowstorm you can bet
your ass it would have been seized on.

I'm not so sure I'd sweat that HB right now - I've seen a lot worse! You've
discovered wear, keep an eye on it - you may not need to change until your
convenience... like when you have to do a water pump, rad, t-chain etc.
-Brian

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:404A8028.45413CEC@cox.net...
: Hi Doug,
: Might test it, by just removing it's bolt and give a couple tap
: with a malt or even a hammer seeing you're not trying to save it. Ninety
: percent of the ones I've pulled, pulling the puller out of the drawer
: was just a waste of time.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: DougW wrote:
: >
: > just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
: > the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
: > the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
: > squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
: > Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
: > just fit.
: >
: > Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
: > My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
: > loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed
thread?
: > Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]
: >
: > Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
: > out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
: > if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
: > expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.
: >
: > --
: > DougW
: > Jeep 1, Wallet 0

Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

Hey Doug,

FWIW mine came off rather easy but that is probably because the engine was
out of the XJ. Had I been tight for space working in a snowstorm you can bet
your ass it would have been seized on.

I'm not so sure I'd sweat that HB right now - I've seen a lot worse! You've
discovered wear, keep an eye on it - you may not need to change until your
convenience... like when you have to do a water pump, rad, t-chain etc.
-Brian

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:404A8028.45413CEC@cox.net...
: Hi Doug,
: Might test it, by just removing it's bolt and give a couple tap
: with a malt or even a hammer seeing you're not trying to save it. Ninety
: percent of the ones I've pulled, pulling the puller out of the drawer
: was just a waste of time.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: DougW wrote:
: >
: > just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
: > the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
: > the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
: > squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
: > Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
: > just fit.
: >
: > Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
: > My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
: > loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed
thread?
: > Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]
: >
: > Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
: > out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
: > if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
: > expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.
: >
: > --
: > DougW
: > Jeep 1, Wallet 0

Re: guess harmonic balancers don't last that long.
 

For the time it takes to do the job right, pull the rad and use the proper
puller. A little trick to get the centre bolt loose, put a Johnson bar (
long 1/2" drive breaker bar in case you don't call them Johnson bars where
you come from) with a shallow socket on the bolt. Turn it until it's wedged
against the ground opposite to engine rotation. Now go in and hit the
starter with the key a couple of times. Guaranteed to break loose. Tighten
it with the bar or ideally and impact wrench with the trans in gear for a
standard, for an auto with a large screwdriver or prybar in the ring gear
teeth wherever you can get at it. We actually just used the impact gun.
Steve
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> Will Honea did pass the time by typing:
>
> > On the XJ/MJ I was able to swap it out from the top. I used a $8-10
> > universal puller from Harbor Freight but it's tight enough on those
> > models that you're probably going to loose a little skin of your
> > knuckles as they get friendly with the radiator when you work with the
> > puller.
>
> just got back from Steve's Tools (our local version of HF) measured
> the puller and it's center bolt/screw. It is about 1" longer than
> the distance between the balancer and the radiator. ZJs don't have
> squat for room in there. Almost wish I had the old Chevy back.
> Does that long center screw slide down into the crank? If so it might
> just fit.
>
> > One big problem: you will probably need some sort of a bar to
> > bolt onto the damper so that you can jam that against the frame while
> > you loosen/torque the bolt that holds it onto the crank. I couldn't
> > get the thing to hold well enough with the transmission in gear to
> > break it free.
>
> Yea.. and with an auto trany like mine it won't hold it anyway. :/
> My plan was to use an air wrench on it. Usually that will break things
> loose. Speaking of breaking loose.. is that a left or right handed
thread?
> Amazing how easier it is if your turning it the proper way. :]
>
> > One of my manuals says you can jam a screw drive or
> > pry bar against 2 bolts in the puller holes - on the three I remember
> > doing, that just twisted the bolts up and was totally a waste of time.
>
> Hmm.. This is looking more and more like a dealership job. Gonna find
> out how much that costs Monday. Might not be worth my time and effort
> if it's gonna be a real pain. (then again that means it will also be
> expensive) :/ We will see where my pain threshold is.
>
> --
> DougW
> Jeep 1, Wallet 0
>
>